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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 3, 2018 15:36:47 GMT
Thanks a million, carlcarlson1. No need at all to research this so much, but I’m so thankful that you’re doing it. I did send an e-mail to Warner Chappell a few months ago but never received a reply. (I’m starting to worry I also won’t get replies from TCM and the British unions that Kristine Krueger recommended.) Don Estelle is one of the closer singers I’ve heard, along with Frank Luther, and he may be the one…but something still seems slightly off. Wish I could find a video of him singing Porter. Quite a voice, too, for a such little guy! With how little I know about the mechanics of music, I’m not sure exactly what’s called, but there’s something he does at the end of each verse—a kind of raising, maybe—that the Sleuth singer does as well. As for the second one… Was it Bill Kerr you meant, or another singer? I think he’s the one at the very beginning of this part of the album, and his voice is nothing like the Sleuth singer. The order in which the names appear under the videos don’t appear to be the order in which they come up in the videos. Some of the singers there are very close, though… Thanks again!
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 3, 2018 16:10:21 GMT
Way back, someone put Mandy Patinkin’s name forward as a candidate; I listened at the time but couldn’t hear the similarity. Well, the person who put Cole on YouTube also posted this, and I can hear the similarities here… I’m starting to wonder if the singer is, in fact, an American, which we had doubted in the beginning. The accent is Transatlantic (an accent BATouttaheck and I were discussing recently), and he’s hitting his rs in power and for very hard. (I think WillEd commented on this back on IMDb.)
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Post by carlcarlson1 on Mar 4, 2018 3:17:37 GMT
An idea that I had last night but neglected to add is that the Sleuth Cole Porter cover vocals reminded me of the 1982 Chanel No. 5 commercial and I don't think those are original either. Chanel - Share the Fantasy (1982) commercial www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqhUuH43LNM
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Post by carlcarlson1 on Mar 8, 2018 22:04:37 GMT
Another idea, perhaps the play and movie productions are related and or maybe someone from the play production may be able to help? The original stage production of "Sleuth" by Anthony Shaffer opened on Broadway on November 12, 1970. It originally starred Anthony Quayle as Andrew, and Keith Baxter as Milo, ran for 1,222 performances, and won the 1971 Tony Award for the Best Play. IMDb Cast of Sleuth @ Music Box Theatre, (11/12/1970 - 10/13/1973) www.ibdb.com/broadway-production/sleuth-3563
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 8, 2018 22:12:03 GMT
I think it was over at IMDf, one of the other forums that started up after IMDb got rid of their boards, that someone suggested this, carlcarlson1, but I have a copy of the play (from a great book called 10 Mystery Plays or something like that), and Shaffer uses a completely different transition between acts; Wyke doesn’t listen to any music, Porter or otherwise, for it. A great idea, though, and it’s entirely possible that Gottlieb, a professional theater-producer, used a singer from Broadway.
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Post by carlcarlson1 on Mar 9, 2018 0:23:53 GMT
I think it was over at IMDf, one of the other forums that started up after IMDb got rid of their boards, that someone suggested this, carlcarlson1 , but I have a copy of the play (from a great book called 10 Mystery Plays or something like that), and Shaffer uses a completely different transition between acts; Wyke doesn’t listen to any music, Porter or otherwise, for it. A great idea, though, and it’s entirely possible that Gottlieb, a professional theater-producer, used a singer from Broadway. Well, you could always try asking Michael Caine @themichaelcaine on Twitter. Or submitting your story (10 year or so inquiry) to NPR. Cheers
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Post by teleadm on Mar 9, 2018 18:24:59 GMT
This is the "Cold Case" of I need to know...
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 9, 2018 19:43:44 GMT
If you can get a soundbite from Michael Caine (even just a funny comment) then I would assemble a narrative summary of all the twists and turns and go to NPR with it. This American Life might be interested.
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 13, 2018 16:08:28 GMT
I think it was over at IMDf, one of the other forums that started up after IMDb got rid of their boards, that someone suggested this, carlcarlson1 , but I have a copy of the play (from a great book called 10 Mystery Plays or something like that), and Shaffer uses a completely different transition between acts; Wyke doesn’t listen to any music, Porter or otherwise, for it. A great idea, though, and it’s entirely possible that Gottlieb, a professional theater-producer, used a singer from Broadway. Well, you could always try asking Michael Caine @themichaelcaine on Twitter. Or submitting your story (10 year or so inquiry) to NPR. Cheers To be perfectly honest, I don’t have a Twitter account and have little real interest in getting one. (No social media, in fact…unless this forum counts?) I’d e-mail him, but for obvious reasons he doesn’t give out any contact information…
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 13, 2018 18:24:16 GMT
From Equity, one of the two British unions that Kristine Krueger recommended:
Hey, at least they eventually responded!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 13, 2018 22:19:20 GMT
NalkarjRE: Latest dispatch from Equity, snerf !
BUT the NEXT missive will be sure to be THE one ... the answer.. the solution... THE HAPPY ENDING ! YUP ! SIGNED,
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 26, 2018 2:35:21 GMT
OK, a few new leads, ladies and gents.
I have reached out to two recommended jazz stations in California (one San Diego, the other Sacramento), one jazz station in New York, and one music researcher who has recently written an article on a ‘30s music mystery.
Probably just some more dead-ends in this Daedalian labyrinth, but it’s progress nonetheless!
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 26, 2018 3:03:32 GMT
E-mail also, while I’m at it, to someone connected with Joel Grey, who was recommended as a possibility early on. I wasn’t able to find a personal e-mail for Grey himself, and I don’t think he’s our man anyway, but better safe than sorry.
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 26, 2018 19:03:06 GMT
This is all going to sound like blatant conspiracy-theorizing, but being that I recently read Stephen Sondheim’s one produced murder mystery other than the now-infamous-around-these-parts The Last of Sheila, I thought I’d get it off my chest.
Anthony Shaffer wrote Sleuth, play and movie.
Anthony Shaffer was a close friend of Stephen Sondheim. Shaffer joked several times (but, in spite of what has been written, never seriously proposed) that he originally wanted to call the play Who’s Afraid of Stephen Sondheim? because Sondheim was so obsessed with riddles, games, and mysteries.
Sondheim wrote a movie script with Tony Perkins called The Chorus Girl Murder Case, never produced.
Kander and Ebb were apparently inspired by the Sondheim-Perkins script to write their own murder-mystery musical, Curtains.
Joel Grey, mentioned above, played the Master of Ceremonies in the film and stage versions of Cabaret, written by Kander and Ebb.
Grey also had a role in The Seven-Per-Cent Solution (’76), which had a song by Sondheim, was directed by Sheila’s Herbert Ross, and featured a score by Sleuth composer John Addison.
I’m probably looking too deeply into this, right? Tells ya what Sleuthing does to the brain!
EDIT: Also just found out that Sondheim collaborator George Furth wrote the book for Kander and Ebb’s The Act. But I suppose it could all be because they’re Broadway theatre people. (“They’re not like us, sir… They’re theatre people.”—now where does that come from again?)
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 26, 2018 19:14:47 GMT
I just exchanged a few e-mails with a guy from one of the California stations. He thought it was Al Bowlly until I told him about the points “Lyncounion” and “MusicProf78” had raised, and now he’s not so sure. Oh, well… Nice of him to get back to me so quickly, though. Still no news from TCM or the other British union!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 26, 2018 20:13:19 GMT
NalkarjCan Kevin Bacon secretly be involved in all of this ?
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 26, 2018 20:16:21 GMT
Nalkarj Can Kevin Bacon secretly be involved in all of this ? I know, right? I’m blatantly conspiracizing. (That’s—not a word, is it?) I blame Stephen Sondheim personally.
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 26, 2018 20:53:48 GMT
… (“They’re not like us, sir… They’re theatre people.”—now where does that come from again?) At least I figured out this mystery. It’s from a Margery Allingham book, Dancers in Mourning. Google had no idea, but I vaguely recalled reading it somewhere—and then it came to me. The exact quote (which is great) is “theatrical people aren’t like ordinary people, sir… They’re theatrical…”
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Post by Doghouse6 on Mar 26, 2018 23:52:54 GMT
… (“They’re not like us, sir… They’re theatre people.”—now where does that come from again?) At least I figured out this mystery. It’s from a Margery Allingham book, Dancers in Mourning. Google had no idea, but I vaguely recalled reading it somewhere—and then it came to me. The exact quote (which is great) is “theatrical people aren’t like ordinary people, sir… They’re theatrical…” It is a great quote, and suggests an idea to tickle a fancy: was that something with which Joe Mankiewicz was familiar when he wrote this dialogue for Addison DeWitt a dozen years later? "We all have abnormality in common. We are a breed apart from the rest of the humanity, we Theater folk. We are the original displaced personalities..."
And given his connection to the thread topic, it might somewhere weave into that conspiracy-theorizing.
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Post by jervistetch on Mar 27, 2018 1:52:28 GMT
Hi Nalkarj Forgive me if this lead was already covered in previous posts. It's almost impossible to get SLEUTH on DVD. I've been trying for a while. Apparently, there is a version available in Australia that won't play on most of the world's devices so it's no good to me. This reviewer on Amazon (scroll down to customer reviewer Paul) raves about this version. He says it has 40 minutes of previously unavailable material, including an Intermission that features the Cole Porter music. It's probably a long shot but maybe this version has some additional information that isn't available elsewhere. Never give up! www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RBKQT6P8Z0PQU/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B019H4MP2U
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