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Post by johnspartan on Nov 24, 2019 23:06:38 GMT
I've noticed most of those phases. The entire issue is depressing. Are the die hard customers fools after it's all said and done? I'm just wondering if I should continue supporting a franchise after a SJW takeover of an IP. Some customers are fools, many are in denial. The only solution is for all of us to stop giving SJWs money from movie tickets and merchandise. If you have to see Rise of Skywalker "sail the pirate seas online" or wait till the disc goes to Red Box or your local library.
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Post by Honolulu on Nov 24, 2019 23:34:03 GMT
I've noticed most of those phases. The entire issue is depressing. Are the die hard customers fools after it's all said and done? I'm just wondering if I should continue supporting a franchise after a SJW takeover of an IP. Some customers are fools, many are in denial. The only solution is for all of us to stop giving SJWs money from movie tickets and merchandise. If you have to see Rise of Skywalker "sail the pirate seas online" or wait till the disc goes to Red Box or your local library. Well that doesn't sound like much fun at all.
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Post by johnspartan on Nov 24, 2019 23:45:31 GMT
Some customers are fools, many are in denial. The only solution is for all of us to stop giving SJWs money from movie tickets and merchandise. If you have to see Rise of Skywalker "sail the pirate seas online" or wait till the disc goes to Red Box or your local library. Well that doesn't sound like much fun at all. It's worth it. Solo's low box office from a fan boycott got Disney's attention and caused Bob Iger to bring in John Favreau.
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Post by Honolulu on Nov 24, 2019 23:58:47 GMT
Well that doesn't sound like much fun at all. It's worth it. Solo's low box office from a fan boycott got Disney's attention and caused Bob Iger to bring in John Favreau. Solo would have sucked regardless of the SJW takeover. It was truly a bad movie period.
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Post by johnspartan on Nov 25, 2019 0:03:05 GMT
It's worth it. Solo's low box office from a fan boycott got Disney's attention and caused Bob Iger to bring in John Favreau. Solo would have sucked regardless of the SJW takeover. It was truly a bad movie period. Nah, Solo COULD have been good with someone like Favreau in charge of it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Nov 26, 2019 6:54:58 GMT
Solo would have sucked regardless of the SJW takeover. It was truly a bad movie period. Nah, Solo COULD have been good with someone like Favreau in charge of it. Exactly. Solo didn’t fail because it was about Han Solo. It failed because it got “boycotted”. And because Kay Kay hired Lord and Miller to bring a Disney channel humor and vibe to it. When they began to see the finished product wasn’t blending with the more serious bravado of the Han Solo Kasdan had written, Kennedy had to admit Disneyfying it was the wrong idea in the first place. Then get Ron Howard to rush a re-film of 80% of the movie. She wouldn’t have these production problems if she would make “being Star Wars” the most important thing about her SW movies.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 26, 2019 9:10:56 GMT
It was always SJW.
Star Wars 1977-- make the hero a nerdy farm boy who relies on magic to save the day. His ally is a bum who owes money to the biggest gangster around. Make the villains a bunch of white men. Have the old sage warrior guy let himself be killed by his enemy. How common is that in any previous adventure story?
The Empire Strikes Back 1980 -- Luke hears voices telling him to go be trained by a little green creature. He gets angrier and angrier. Meanwhile Han Solo remains a deadbeat who refuses to pay his debts! His black associate is more successful and uses his remote control white guy to help save them.
Return of the Jedi 1983 -- Luke gets more Jedi powers but now we learn Obi Wan Kenobi is a liar and a failed teacher who sits on a log for eternity.Luke gets his ass handed to him by the Emperor and has to beg his dad to save him. Luke misses the big fight and is depressed until he sees visions.
The Prequels are all about how Obi Wan Kenobi sucked as a teacher and his pupil sucked even more.
Sequels--Han Solo continues to suck, Luke sucks even more, it is all one big suck.
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Post by johnspartan on Nov 26, 2019 12:41:07 GMT
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Nov 26, 2019 17:15:17 GMT
Yeah, a movie series where a diverse group of rebels fight against an oppressive regime made up almost entirely of one species that has an explicit bias against other species (complete with enslavement of several of those species), totally would not set off the "anti-SJW" crowd it came out today. /sarcasm
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Post by johnspartan on Nov 26, 2019 18:04:23 GMT
Yeah, a movie series where a diverse group of rebels fight against an oppressive regime made up almost entirely of one species that has an explicit bias against other species (complete with enslavement of several of those species), totally would not set off the "anti-SJW" crowd it came out today. /sarcasm You don't know anything and you will never be a Star Wars fan.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Nov 27, 2019 1:24:28 GMT
It was always SJW. Star Wars 1977-- make the hero a nerdy farm boy who relies on magic to save the day. His ally is a bum who owes money to the biggest gangster around. Make the villains a bunch of white men. Have the old sage warrior guy let himself be killed by his enemy. How common is that in any previous adventure story? The Empire Strikes Back 1980 -- Luke hears voices telling him to go be trained by a little green creature. He gets angrier and angrier. Meanwhile Han Solo remains a deadbeat who refuses to pay his debts! His black associate is more successful and uses his remote control white guy to help save them.That doesn’t hold water. The character of Lando was written as a white man. Lucas first and second choices were Al Pacino and Burt Reynolds. Pacino had a scheduling conflict. Reynolds thought SW was a lame, cheesy one-hit wonder. He turned it down. Enter Billy Dee Williams. That was the narrative that would ultimately lead to Anakin/Vader’s moral redemption. If Luke was totally successful then there’s no impetus for Vader to be redeemed. And neither would Luke create that opportunity if he kills his father when he pummeled him to the floor. You missed the mark of what the narrative and the characters are all about. Aside from Luke sucking in an over the top way in TLJ, you are again missing some of the mark of the plots and narrative.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 27, 2019 1:32:10 GMT
That doesn’t hold water. The character of Lando was written as a white man. Lucas first and second choices were Al Pacino and Burt Reynolds. Pacino had a scheduling conflict. Reynolds thought SW was a lame, cheesy one-hit wonder. He turned it down. Enter Billy Dee Williams. That was the narrative that would ultimately lead to Anakin/Vader’s moral redemption. If Luke was totally successful then there’s no impetus for Vader to be redeemed. And neither would Luke create that opportunity if he kills his father when he pummeled him to the floor. You missed the mark of what the narrative and the characters are all about. We don't know what is the truth with how these films were made. Lucas revises the tale constantly.
Lucas said he wanted Yaphet Kotto for Han Solo--allegedly. I doubt it. I also doubt that Lando was supposed to be a white man. It goes against the story threads of pale characters on the failure road (except Wedge but what it he, just an anonymous pilot). Burt Reynolds was way too big of a star to even go near a Star Wars film. Never going to happen. Luke could have stopped the Emperor or his dad helped him. To have him completely a victim goes against thousands of years of knight story literature. I really cannot think of any story that compares. The gist of such stories is for the son to exceed the exploits of the father. In the case of Luke, he's ultimately going for a fail. We know there is a lot of BS to this since Prince Valiant was the story template for Star Wars and Indiana Jones was the Harry Steele character from Secret of the Incas. Has Lucas ever mentioned it? The costume designer said they watched the film many times while making Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Nov 27, 2019 1:49:26 GMT
That doesn’t hold water. The character of Lando was written as a white man. Lucas first and second choices were Al Pacino and Burt Reynolds. Pacino had a scheduling conflict. Reynolds thought SW was a lame, cheesy one-hit wonder. He turned it down. Enter Billy Dee Williams. That was the narrative that would ultimately lead to Anakin/Vader’s moral redemption. If Luke was totally successful then there’s no impetus for Vader to be redeemed. And neither would Luke create that opportunity if he kills his father when he pummeled him to the floor. You missed the mark of what the narrative and the characters are all about. We don't know what is the truth with how these films were made. Lucas revises the tale constantly.
Lucas said he wanted Yaphet Kotto for Han Solo--allegedly. I doubt it. I also doubt that Lando was supposed to be a white man. It goes against the story threads of pale characters on the failure road (except Wedge but what it he, just an anonymous pilot). Burt Reynolds was way too big of a star to even go near a Star Wars film. Never going to happen. Luke could have stopped the Emperor or his dad helped him. To have him completely a victim goes against thousands of years of knight story literature. I really cannot think of any story that compares. The gist of such stories is for the son to exceed the exploits of the father. In the case of Luke, he's ultimately going for a fail. We know there is a lot of BS to this since Prince Valiant was the story template for Star Wars and Indiana Jones was the Harry Steele character from Secret of the Incas. Has Lucas ever mentioned it? The costume designer said they watched the film many times while making Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Except those actors I mentioned admitted that Lucas pursued them and they turned down the role. And again, Luke defeated his father, so he did exceed his father. He also exceeded him in the sense that when he was tempted by the Darkside and the Emperor (the same turning point his father faced) he succeeded where his father failed. The idea of Luke defeating the Emperor by himself is really stretching plausibility. And he would’ve turned to the Darkside anyway after killing his father.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 27, 2019 2:04:44 GMT
Except those actors I mentioned admitted that Lucas pursued them and they turned down the role. And again, Luke defeated his father, so he did exceed his father. He also exceeded him in the sense that when he was tempted by the Darkside and the Emperor (the same turning point his father faced) he succeeded where his father failed. The idea of Luke defeating the Emperor by himself is really stretching plausibility. And he would’ve turned to the Darkside anyway after killing his father. Reynolds claimed he was approached for Han Solo not Lando. Never said Luke defeating the Emperor by himself-he just did not have to be a victim who pleads for dad's help.
That was a deliberate choice-just as turning Indiana Jones into a joke by the end of Last Crusade was deliberate too. He's like reaching for the Holy Grail and talking like a little kid. It's all the same. In fact there's a similar weakening principle in James Bond (though not as extreme yet). Same with Terminator obviously.
Mad Max... I don't think there is any series that avoids it. I should see how Shaft 2000 compares in the messages.
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Post by shinnickneth on Nov 27, 2019 4:30:08 GMT
Yeah, a movie series where a diverse group of rebels fight against an oppressive regime made up almost entirely of one species that has an explicit bias against other species (complete with enslavement of several of those species), totally would not set off the "anti-SJW" crowd it came out today. /sarcasm You really are a one-note-poster.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Nov 27, 2019 4:58:56 GMT
Except those actors I mentioned admitted that Lucas pursued them and they turned down the role. And again, Luke defeated his father, so he did exceed his father. He also exceeded him in the sense that when he was tempted by the Darkside and the Emperor (the same turning point his father faced) he succeeded where his father failed. The idea of Luke defeating the Emperor by himself is really stretching plausibility. And he would’ve turned to the Darkside anyway after killing his father. Reynolds claimed he was approached for Han Solo not Lando. Never said Luke defeating the Emperor by himself-he just did not have to be a victim who pleads for dad's help.
That was a deliberate choice-just as turning Indiana Jones into a joke by the end of Last Crusade was deliberate too. He's like reaching for the Holy Grail and talking like a little kid. It's all the same. In fact there's a similar weakening principle in James Bond (though not as extreme yet). Same with Terminator obviously.
Mad Max... I don't think there is any series that avoids it. I should see how Shaft 2000 compares in the messages.
And what would be the catalyst for Vader caring about him if Luke hadn’t been in that position? It was Luke’s suffering and sentimental words that got to Vader. Just as it did at the end of TESB when they talked to each other through the Force. Vader no doubt sensed Luke’s misery. And Luke calls him father. Vader walks away lost in thought over his conflicted feelings about Luke. What other catalyst would have worked that Vader would turn?
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Post by darkpast on Nov 27, 2019 5:05:05 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 27, 2019 7:23:54 GMT
And what would be the catalyst for Vader caring about him if Luke hadn’t been in that position? It was Luke’s suffering and sentimental words that got to Vader. Just as it did at the end of TESB when they talked to each other through the Force. Vader no doubt sensed Luke’s misery. And Luke calls him father. Vader walks away lost in thought over his conflicted feelings about Luke. What other catalyst would have worked that Vader would turn? He could have still needed help without pleading. Vader could have observed and decided to help without Luke begging for it.
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Post by johnspartan on Nov 27, 2019 17:51:03 GMT
Remember "Solo" writer Jon Kasdan fighting with fans on twitter? I remember.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Nov 28, 2019 15:48:51 GMT
Yeah, a movie series where a diverse group of rebels fight against an oppressive regime made up almost entirely of one species that has an explicit bias against other species (complete with enslavement of several of those species), totally would not set off the "anti-SJW" crowd it came out today. /sarcasm You really are a one-note-poster. If all the people here weren't saying the same crap, my responses wouldn't be able to the same thing.
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