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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 6, 2019 1:06:42 GMT
I still LOVE Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.. but the "gritty, grounded" keywords associated with Nolan's trilogy almost seem silly after Joker.
While they were as realistic as you could get it at the time within this kind of genre it was still very much like a comic book. In Batman Begins, Bruce was a borderline unstoppable hero with access to billions of dollars worth of tech, trained by mysterious assassins, facing off against a seemingly immortal villain/former mentor and his lackey whose plan is to poison the water supply with crazy gas. The Dark Knight, which had the most realism of the trilogy, still involved outlandish scenarios like mass sonar surveillance and the injuries survived by Harvey Dent. As for TDKR.. I don't even want to get started on that.
After the Joker film.. I can't imagine there could ever be a more "gritty, grounded" comic book film. Could you imagine a version of Batman that would be similar to the version of Joker that existed in this movie's version of Gotham? He wouldn't be a "superhero" any more than Joaquin's Joker was a "supervillain". A flawed, privately trained, behind the scenes detective in the shadows of a city in perpetual chaos, dealing with a pathological man and the supposed "uprising" he began. If executed in the same way it would be beyond the "realism" of Nolan's trilogy.
Sorry TDK trilogy... but Joker just made you look as "comic booky" as Raimi's Spider-Man. Not bad company to be in but it just upped the ante of how true these stories could actually be.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 6, 2019 18:11:15 GMT
Maybe if they went with Darren Aronofsky's version that he pitched back in the day. Where he's basically a homeless vigilante living out of his friend's garage.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 6, 2019 21:49:54 GMT
Maybe if they went with Darren Aronofsky's version that he pitched back in the day. Where he's basically a homeless vigilante living out of his friend's garage. Wait, that was Aronofsky’s pitch? I thought his pitch was based off Year One?
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Post by Archelaus on Nov 6, 2019 21:52:24 GMT
Maybe if they went with Darren Aronofsky's version that he pitched back in the day. Where he's basically a homeless vigilante living out of his friend's garage. Wait, that was Aronofsky’s pitch? I thought his pitch was based off Year One? It was a loose adaptation of Year One.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 6, 2019 21:54:28 GMT
Maybe if they went with Darren Aronofsky's version that he pitched back in the day. Where he's basically a homeless vigilante living out of his friend's garage. Wait, that was Aronofsky’s pitch? I thought his pitch was based off Year One? Very loosely. He lost his fortune after his parents died. Alfred was a black guy who owned a auto shop where they kept the bat mobile. It’s just a Lincoln continental in this script. The bat cave is an abandoned subway station. |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 6, 2019 21:56:14 GMT
Funny enough, Joaquin Phoenix was considered to play Bruce Wayne in Aronofsky’s version.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 6, 2019 22:06:59 GMT
Why would you want a movie about someone running around in a bat costume to be realistic?
Is it fantasy or is it slice-of-life?
At least if he is homeless and wearing a bat costume he would just be considered a nut and not be able to get the "eccentric" label because he has money.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 7, 2019 3:54:36 GMT
Every comic book movie ever made put Joker to shame.
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Post by Caesium137 on Nov 7, 2019 10:35:05 GMT
It annoys me when people say this because Nolans movies are not meant to be grounded or realistic. They are still comic book movies with extravagant plots and larger than life characters. What Nolan does is play on the idea of plausability, after all hes one of the most un-realistic directors out there having made Inception and Interstellar.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 7, 2019 13:00:07 GMT
Maybe if they went with Darren Aronofsky's version that he pitched back in the day. Where he's basically a homeless vigilante living out of his friend's garage. Once upon a time I wouldn’t have cared to see that but now that we’ve had plenty of great Batman movies I think I’d love seeing something like this for DC’s new Black Label, Elseworlds thing they have going on. It could very much tie in with this version of the Joker. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 8, 2019 13:22:00 GMT
I still LOVE Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.. but the "gritty, grounded" keywords associated with Nolan's trilogy almost seem silly after Joker.
While they were as realistic as you could get it at the time within this kind of genre it was still very much like a comic book. In Batman Begins, Bruce was a borderline unstoppable hero with access to billions of dollars worth of tech, trained by mysterious assassins, facing off against a seemingly immortal villain/former mentor and his lackey whose plan is to poison the water supply with crazy gas. The Dark Knight, which had the most realism of the trilogy, still involved outlandish scenarios like mass sonar surveillance and the injuries survived by Harvey Dent. As for TDKR.. I don't even want to get started on that.
After the Joker film.. I can't imagine there could ever be a more "gritty, grounded" comic book film. Could you imagine a version of Batman that would be similar to the version of Joker that existed in this movie's version of Gotham? He wouldn't be a "superhero" any more than Joaquin's Joker was a "supervillain". A flawed, privately trained, behind the scenes detective in the shadows of a city in perpetual chaos, dealing with a pathological man and the supposed "uprising" he began. If executed in the same way it would be beyond the "realism" of Nolan's trilogy.
Sorry TDK trilogy... but Joker just made you look as "comic booky" as Raimi's Spider-Man. Not bad company to be in but it just upped the ante of how true these stories could actually be.
That's because Joker isn't a comic book movie. It's based on a comic book property, but it's a drama about a guy dealing with mental illness. Despite the source material, it made no attempt to do anything 'comic booky.' This is like saying Ghost World or Road To Perdition make Nolan's films feel 'comic booky.'
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 8, 2019 17:08:14 GMT
I still LOVE Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.. but the "gritty, grounded" keywords associated with Nolan's trilogy almost seem silly after Joker.
While they were as realistic as you could get it at the time within this kind of genre it was still very much like a comic book. In Batman Begins, Bruce was a borderline unstoppable hero with access to billions of dollars worth of tech, trained by mysterious assassins, facing off against a seemingly immortal villain/former mentor and his lackey whose plan is to poison the water supply with crazy gas. The Dark Knight, which had the most realism of the trilogy, still involved outlandish scenarios like mass sonar surveillance and the injuries survived by Harvey Dent. As for TDKR.. I don't even want to get started on that.
After the Joker film.. I can't imagine there could ever be a more "gritty, grounded" comic book film. Could you imagine a version of Batman that would be similar to the version of Joker that existed in this movie's version of Gotham? He wouldn't be a "superhero" any more than Joaquin's Joker was a "supervillain". A flawed, privately trained, behind the scenes detective in the shadows of a city in perpetual chaos, dealing with a pathological man and the supposed "uprising" he began. If executed in the same way it would be beyond the "realism" of Nolan's trilogy.
Sorry TDK trilogy... but Joker just made you look as "comic booky" as Raimi's Spider-Man. Not bad company to be in but it just upped the ante of how true these stories could actually be.
That's because Joker isn't a comic book movie. It's based on a comic book property, but it's a drama about a guy dealing with mental illness. Despite the source material, it made no attempt to do anything 'comic booky.' This is like saying Ghost World or Road To Perdition make Nolan's films feel 'comic booky.' Is there a better word for “comic booky” because I don’t like using it but couldn’t think of anything else at the time lol. Ghost World and Road to Perdition I think are a little different considering those were made with the intention of being in the real world whereas Batman and the DC comics universe has always embraced fantasy elements. Joker is based on a character who was created within that fantastical world. It’s without a doubt the most grounded comic book film ever made in regards to the DC universe’s characters and actually makes Nolan’s films (at least BB and TDKR) seem outlandish in comparison. It’s not a bad thing. I’m just saying I can’t possibly imagine a film based on a DC or Marvel property to get any more “real world” than Joker. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 8, 2019 17:24:29 GMT
That's because Joker isn't a comic book movie. It's based on a comic book property, but it's a drama about a guy dealing with mental illness. Despite the source material, it made no attempt to do anything 'comic booky.' This is like saying Ghost World or Road To Perdition make Nolan's films feel 'comic booky.' Is there a better word for “comic booky” because I don’t like using it but couldn’t think of anything else at the time lol. Ghost World and Road to Perdition I think are a little different considering those were made with the intention of being in the real world whereas Batman and the DC comics universe has always embraced fantasy elements. Joker is based on a character who was created within that fantastical world. It’s without a doubt the most grounded comic book film ever made in regards to the DC universe’s characters and actually makes Nolan’s films (at least BB and TDKR) seem outlandish in comparison. It’s not a bad thing. I’m just saying I can’t possibly imagine a film based on a DC or Marvel property to get any more “real world” than Joker. I agree, it's the most 'real world' look we've seen regarding a familiar superhero/villain character. It's that extreme take on the character that separates it from other comic book properties. As you said, they've always embraced certain fantasy elements of superheroes, even in Nolan's trilogy. I just don't think there's a comparison to be made as they were clearly going for something very different. For that matter, I can't compare Nolan's films to the MCU (and I'm a huge fan of both) because again, they were going for a completely different tone in either case. It's like comparing genres, really. And lol yeah I know what you meant with 'comic booky.' I don't know what might sound better while conveying the same concept, fantastical?
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 10, 2019 17:20:18 GMT
That's a bit of a misnomer to call Nolan's trilogy dark and gritty and really what hurt the current DCEU. Nolan's film were grounded for sure, but they were hardly dark and gritty and hardly advertised as that. As you mentioned, they still have their share of comic book elements to them, as well as levity. Snyder really took that out of context, thinking he could replicate something that really wasn't there and that's how we ended up with Man of Steel and BvS, both that are arguably darker and grittier than Nolan's films.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 10, 2019 18:03:53 GMT
Sorry TDK trilogy... but Joker just made you look as "comic booky" as Raimi's Spider-Man. Not bad company to be in but it just upped the ante of how true these stories could actually be.
Be careful what you wish for. Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman movies made like Joker. Yeesh!
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 11, 2019 0:55:31 GMT
Funny enough, Joaquin Phoenix was considered to play Bruce Wayne in Aronofsky’s version. And Joker would've had a cameo, too.
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