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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 10, 2019 23:31:32 GMT
The reason why I dislike MCU movies is because MCU doesn't know what it takes to be a true superhero. MCU's so-called "heroes" are always selfish and putting their own agendas ahead of everyone else and always unnecessarily putting innocent lives at risk.
For example: Bruce Banner knew that the Hulk is a danger to civilians so Banner should've done everything he can to stay away from populated areas. But in The Incredible Hulk, Banner makes the selfish and reckless choice to go to the university during the daytime, when there are plenty of civilians around. MCU fans try to defend Banner's selfish and reckless choice with the excuse that Banner needed to get some data at the university. But Banner could've either 1) sent Betty Ross to the university to get the data he needed or 2) go to the university at night, when there wouldn't be many civilians around. But Banner chose to go to the university during the daytime and thus unnecessarily endanger many civilian lives. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do.
Another example: In Far From Home, Peter Parker knew that a fire monster would attack Prague similar to the water monster that attacked Venice. Uncle Ben was killed by a thief after Peter had a chance to stop the thief but took no action. Now Peter has a chance to warn the teachers to not take the class to Prague where they would be in danger from the imminent attack by the fire monster but once again Peter takes no action and just lets the class get tricked by SHIELD into going to Prague. That was selfish and irresponsible and that's not what a true superhero should do.
And the most selfish MCU "hero" of all: Steve Rogers.
1. Rogers wanted to join the Army but was too lazy to train and exercise like the other soldiers did. MCU fans try to defend Rogers with the excuse that Rogers wasn't lazy but had severe health problems. That excuse only proves that Rogers is a selfish asshole and no hero at all.
Rogers was a skinny weakling who was getting his ass kicked and needed Bucky to step in and save him. So if Rogers had such severe health problems that he couldn't fight his own battles and needed Bucky to save him, then why the fuck would Rogers want to join the Army and be in a situation on the battlefield where he can't fight against an enemy soldier and always need a fellow soldier to save him, which puts his fellow soldiers at risk since they not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles? That was selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army when he clearly wasn't able to fight his own battles and to put his fellow soldiers at risk.
2. After the Avengers, under Rogers' command, recklessly chase Crossbones through a crowded market resulting in many civilians getting killed by a bomb, Rogers refuses to sign the Accords establishing oversight of the Avengers. When cops accidently kill civilians, they don't get to say "We refuse to have any oversight or be held accountable for our actions." There would be procedures put in place to prevent such tragedies from occurring again.
Rogers had no problem with collecting a paycheck from the US government as a soldier in the US Army, but when the US government wants to establish oversight of the Avengers, Rogers tries to claim that the same US government that he had no problem collecting paychecks from is corrupt. But the real reason that Rogers refused to sign the Accords was because Rogers is a selfish asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, basically like a tyrant.
3. Rogers aids and abets a a double-murderer to flee from the authorities resulting in a dangerous chase through a crowded street and endangering the lives of law enforcement officers as well as civilians. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do.
4. Rogers has a chance to bring Bucky in for trial and demonstrate to the people that he believes in the justice system and believes in the American people to make the right and just decision. But Rogers refuses to bring Bucky in and instead aids and abets Bucky to flee from the authorities and basically saying to the people "I don't believe in the justice system and don't believe in the American people to make the right and just decision so I'm going to be the sole judge and jury and I'm going to decide guilt or innocence without any need for a trial, exactly the way that a tyrant would do."
MCU fans try to defend Bucky murdering two civilians and Rogers' aiding and abetting a double-murderer with the claim that Bucky was brainwashed. If so, then Rogers should've done what a true superhero should do and bring Bucky in for trial and let a jury of the people decide if brainwashing is a mitigating factor in the murder of two civilians.
By claiming that Bucky should go free and not have to be put on trial because he was brainwashed, Rogers is saying that if a serial killer like Ted Bundy had claimed that he didn't have any friends when he was a child, then he should go free and not have to be put on trial. Basically, Rogers is saying that all a suspect has to do is come up with an excuse and then he should go free and not have to be put on trial.
MCU fans also try to defend Rogers' selfish and tyrannical actions with the excuse that Bucky wasn't getting a trial because Secretary of State Ross said there would be no trial. That's the STUPIDEST excuse ever!
Bucky murdered two civilians. Those crimes would be prosecuted by the state and not the federal government. Secretary Ross works for the federal government so he would have no say in whether or not the state puts Bucky on trial for the two murders. So Bucky was definitely getting a trial for the two murders, not in a federal court but in a state court.
5. By refusing to bring Bucky in, Rogers forces law enforcement to spend valuable manpower and other resources to try to track down and apprehend Bucky. That leaves fewer law enforcement officers and resources available to track down and apprehend other criminals and protect and serve the public. So Rogers' selfish actions impede law enforcement and allow criminals a higher chance of committing and getting away with crimes against the public.
6. So when Thor travels back in time, Thor isn't allowed change history by warning his mother that she's going to be killed later that day. But when Rogers travels back in time, he changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter and stealing her away from the man she's supposed to marry and thus ensuring that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born.
Steve Rogers isn't a superhero but just an asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight and wants to be sole judge and jury to decide who's guilty or innocent without any trial, exactly like a tyrant.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 11, 2019 0:26:58 GMT
You love 'em. You wouldn't watch them so much if you didn't.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 11, 2019 0:54:19 GMT
You shared this thread already months ago.
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Post by poutinep on Nov 11, 2019 5:51:13 GMT
Are you sure it isn't because the first comic book movie you saw was Superman: The Movie when you were 10-14 years old and you liked it so you developed a bias in favor of DC which also resulted in a bias against Marvel and ever since then you find ways to rationalize your per-determined opinions for DC and Marvel out of an arbitrary sense of loyalty? because that seems much more likely than you genuinely finding the stupidest reasons to dislike movies that are so successful commercially and critically yet praising the messy, hated movies in the DCEU.
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Post by sostie on Nov 11, 2019 11:20:27 GMT
This thread proves 2 things.
One....you have such a high opinion of your views and a level of unwarranted self importance that you feel you have to repost/repeat the same crap over and over
And two...you have either not seen the films, or just plain do not comprehend what is going on in them
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 11, 2019 14:09:53 GMT
The reason why I dislike MCU movies is because MCU doesn't know what it takes to be a true superhero. MCU's so-called "heroes" are always selfish and putting their own agendas ahead of everyone else and always unnecessarily putting innocent lives at risk. For example: Bruce Banner knew that the Hulk is a danger to civilians so Banner should've done everything he can to stay away from populated areas. But in The Incredible Hulk, Banner makes the selfish and reckless choice to go to the university during the daytime, when there are plenty of civilians around. MCU fans try to defend Banner's selfish and reckless choice with the excuse that Banner needed to get some data at the university. But Banner could've either 1) sent Betty Ross to the university to get the data he needed or 2) go to the university at night, when there wouldn't be many civilians around. But Banner chose to go to the university during the daytime and thus unnecessarily endanger many civilian lives. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do. Another example: In Far From Home, Peter Parker knew that a fire monster would attack Prague similar to the water monster that attacked Venice. Uncle Ben was killed by a thief after Peter had a chance to stop the thief but took no action. Now Peter has a chance to warn the teachers to not take the class to Prague where they would be in danger from the imminent attack by the fire monster but once again Peter takes no action and just lets the class get tricked by SHIELD into going to Prague. That was selfish and irresponsible and that's not what a true superhero should do. And the most selfish MCU "hero" of all: Steve Rogers. 1. Rogers wanted to join the Army but was too lazy to train and exercise like the other soldiers did. MCU fans try to defend Rogers with the excuse that Rogers wasn't lazy but had severe health problems. That excuse only proves that Rogers is a selfish asshole and no hero at all.Rogers was a skinny weakling who was getting his ass kicked and needed Bucky to step in and save him. So if Rogers had such severe health problems that he couldn't fight his own battles and needed Bucky to save him, then why the fuck would Rogers want to join the Army and be in a situation on the battlefield where he can't fight against an enemy soldier and always need a fellow soldier to save him, which puts his fellow soldiers at risk since they not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles? That was selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army when he clearly wasn't able to fight his own battles and to put his fellow soldiers at risk.2. After the Avengers, under Rogers' command, recklessly chase Crossbones through a crowded market resulting in many civilians getting killed by a bomb, Rogers refuses to sign the Accords establishing oversight of the Avengers. When cops accidently kill civilians, they don't get to say "We refuse to have any oversight or be held accountable for our actions." There would be procedures put in place to prevent such tragedies from occurring again. Rogers had no problem with collecting a paycheck from the US government as a soldier in the US Army, but when the US government wants to establish oversight of the Avengers, Rogers tries to claim that the same US government that he had no problem collecting paychecks from is corrupt. But the real reason that Rogers refused to sign the Accords was because Rogers is a selfish asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, basically like a tyrant.3. Rogers aids and abets a a double-murderer to flee from the authorities resulting in a dangerous chase through a crowded street and endangering the lives of law enforcement officers as well as civilians. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do. 4. Rogers has a chance to bring Bucky in for trial and demonstrate to the people that he believes in the justice system and believes in the American people to make the right and just decision. But Rogers refuses to bring Bucky in and instead aids and abets Bucky to flee from the authorities and basically saying to the people "I don't believe in the justice system and don't believe in the American people to make the right and just decision so I'm going to be the sole judge and jury and I'm going to decide guilt or innocence without any need for a trial, exactly the way that a tyrant would do." MCU fans try to defend Bucky murdering two civilians and Rogers' aiding and abetting a double-murderer with the claim that Bucky was brainwashed. If so, then Rogers should've done what a true superhero should do and bring Bucky in for trial and let a jury of the people decide if brainwashing is a mitigating factor in the murder of two civilians. By claiming that Bucky should go free and not have to be put on trial because he was brainwashed, Rogers is saying that if a serial killer like Ted Bundy had claimed that he didn't have any friends when he was a child, then he should go free and not have to be put on trial. Basically, Rogers is saying that all a suspect has to do is come up with an excuse and then he should go free and not have to be put on trial.
MCU fans also try to defend Rogers' selfish and tyrannical actions with he excuse that Bucky wasn't getting a trial because Secretary of State Ross said there would be no trial. That's the STUPIDEST excuse ever!
Bucky murdered two civilians. Those crimes would be prosecuted by the state and not the federal government. Secretary Ross works for the federal government so he would have no say in whether or not the state puts Bucky on trial for the two murders. So Bucky was definitely getting a trial for the two murders, not in a federal court but in a state court.5. So when Thor travels back in time, Thor isn't allowed change history by warning his mother that she's going to be killed later that day. But when Rogers travels back in time, he changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter and stealing her away from the man she's supposed to marry and thus ensuring that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Steve Rogers isn't a superhero but just an asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight and wants to be sole judge and jury to decide who's guilty or innocent without any trial, exactly like a tyrant.Liar.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 18:06:31 GMT
You shared this thread already months ago. No, I didn't. The thread a few months ago was about how it was ridiculous that MCU considers Bucky, a guy who strangled and injured and defenseless woman to death, to be a hero. This thread is about the selfish assholes like Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, and Steve Rogers that MCU considers to be "heroes".
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 18:09:15 GMT
Are you sure it isn't because the first comic book movie you saw was Superman: The Movie when you were 10-14 years old and you liked it so you developed a bias in favor of DC which also resulted in a bias against Marvel and ever since then you find ways to rationalize your per-determined opinions for DC and Marvel out of an arbitrary sense of loyalty? I'm sure. Because I have no bias against Marvel. Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are 2 of my favorite superhero movies. I also like X2: X-Men United and X-Men: Days of Future Past and even the first 2 Fantastic Four movies (starring Ioan Gruffeld and Jessica Alba). I'm pretty sure those Spider-Man movies, X-Men movies, and Fantastic Four movies are about Marvel characters.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 18:20:42 GMT
you have either not seen the films, or just plain do not comprehend what is going on in them I've seen the films and it's you who either don't comprehend them or are in denial of the facts (much like how Pats fans are still in denial that Tom Brady cheated, even though he got caught using tampered footballs and a federal appellate judge who swore an oath to judge fairly and objectively said on the record in open court that "the evidence of ball tampering is compelling"). So are you denying that Bruce Banner went to the university during the daytime, when there were plenty of civilians around? Are you denying that Peter Parker, who had a chance to stop the thief who killed Uncle Ben but took action, didn't know that the fire monster would attack Prague or didn't have a chance to warn the teachers not to take the class to Prague? Are you denying that Steve Rogers, who supposedly had severe problems and who was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped in, wanted to join the Army, which would have selfishly put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would've had to save Rogers on the battlefield the same way Bucky saved Rogers from getting his ass kicked? Are you denying that the murder of two civilians would be prosecuted by the state in a state trial and not by the federal government in a federal trial? Are you denying that Steve Rogers didn't change history when he traveled back in time?
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2019 18:32:22 GMT
You've already made numerous threads like this in the past. Why not just resurrect one of your old threads?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 18:32:52 GMT
The reason why I dislike MCU movies is because MCU doesn't know what it takes to be a true superhero. MCU's so-called "heroes" are always selfish and putting their own agendas ahead of everyone else and always unnecessarily putting innocent lives at risk. For example: Bruce Banner knew that the Hulk is a danger to civilians so Banner should've done everything he can to stay away from populated areas. But in The Incredible Hulk, Banner makes the selfish and reckless choice to go to the university during the daytime, when there are plenty of civilians around. MCU fans try to defend Banner's selfish and reckless choice with the excuse that Banner needed to get some data at the university. But Banner could've either 1) sent Betty Ross to the university to get the data he needed or 2) go to the university at night, when there wouldn't be many civilians around. But Banner chose to go to the university during the daytime and thus unnecessarily endanger many civilian lives. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do. Another example: In Far From Home, Peter Parker knew that a fire monster would attack Prague similar to the water monster that attacked Venice. Uncle Ben was killed by a thief after Peter had a chance to stop the thief but took no action. Now Peter has a chance to warn the teachers to not take the class to Prague where they would be in danger from the imminent attack by the fire monster but once again Peter takes no action and just lets the class get tricked by SHIELD into going to Prague. That was selfish and irresponsible and that's not what a true superhero should do. And the most selfish MCU "hero" of all: Steve Rogers. 1. Rogers wanted to join the Army but was too lazy to train and exercise like the other soldiers did. MCU fans try to defend Rogers with the excuse that Rogers wasn't lazy but had severe health problems. That excuse only proves that Rogers is a selfish asshole and no hero at all.Rogers was a skinny weakling who was getting his ass kicked and needed Bucky to step in and save him. So if Rogers had such severe health problems that he couldn't fight his own battles and needed Bucky to save him, then why the fuck would Rogers want to join the Army and be in a situation on the battlefield where he can't fight against an enemy soldier and always need a fellow soldier to save him, which puts his fellow soldiers at risk since they not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles? That was selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army when he clearly wasn't able to fight his own battles and to put his fellow soldiers at risk.2. After the Avengers, under Rogers' command, recklessly chase Crossbones through a crowded market resulting in many civilians getting killed by a bomb, Rogers refuses to sign the Accords establishing oversight of the Avengers. When cops accidently kill civilians, they don't get to say "We refuse to have any oversight or be held accountable for our actions." There would be procedures put in place to prevent such tragedies from occurring again. Rogers had no problem with collecting a paycheck from the US government as a soldier in the US Army, but when the US government wants to establish oversight of the Avengers, Rogers tries to claim that the same US government that he had no problem collecting paychecks from is corrupt. But the real reason that Rogers refused to sign the Accords was because Rogers is a selfish asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, basically like a tyrant.3. Rogers aids and abets a a double-murderer to flee from the authorities resulting in a dangerous chase through a crowded street and endangering the lives of law enforcement officers as well as civilians. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do. 4. Rogers has a chance to bring Bucky in for trial and demonstrate to the people that he believes in the justice system and believes in the American people to make the right and just decision. But Rogers refuses to bring Bucky in and instead aids and abets Bucky to flee from the authorities and basically saying to the people "I don't believe in the justice system and don't believe in the American people to make the right and just decision so I'm going to be the sole judge and jury and I'm going to decide guilt or innocence without any need for a trial, exactly the way that a tyrant would do." MCU fans try to defend Bucky murdering two civilians and Rogers' aiding and abetting a double-murderer with the claim that Bucky was brainwashed. If so, then Rogers should've done what a true superhero should do and bring Bucky in for trial and let a jury of the people decide if brainwashing is a mitigating factor in the murder of two civilians. By claiming that Bucky should go free and not have to be put on trial because he was brainwashed, Rogers is saying that if a serial killer like Ted Bundy had claimed that he didn't have any friends when he was a child, then he should go free and not have to be put on trial. Basically, Rogers is saying that all a suspect has to do is come up with an excuse and then he should go free and not have to be put on trial.
MCU fans also try to defend Rogers' selfish and tyrannical actions with he excuse that Bucky wasn't getting a trial because Secretary of State Ross said there would be no trial. That's the STUPIDEST excuse ever!
Bucky murdered two civilians. Those crimes would be prosecuted by the state and not the federal government. Secretary Ross works for the federal government so he would have no say in whether or not the state puts Bucky on trial for the two murders. So Bucky was definitely getting a trial for the two murders, not in a federal court but in a state court.5. So when Thor travels back in time, Thor isn't allowed change history by warning his mother that she's going to be killed later that day. But when Rogers travels back in time, he changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter and stealing her away from the man she's supposed to marry and thus ensuring that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Steve Rogers isn't a superhero but just an asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight and wants to be sole judge and jury to decide who's guilty or innocent without any trial, exactly like a tyrant.Liar. Everything I wrote is true. I wrote that Bruce Banner went to the university during the daytime, when there were plenty of civilians around, instead of either sending Betty Ross to the university to get the data he needed or going to the university at night, when there would be fewer civilians around. Are you saying that's a lie? I wrote that Peter Parker (who had a chance to stop the thief who killed Uncle Ben but took no action) had a chance to warn the teachers not to take the class to Prague, where Peter knew a fire monster would attack, but once again took no action. Are you saying that's a lie? It's MCU fans who claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. Are you saying that's a lie? So I ask again: If Steve Rogers had severe health problems, then why the fuck does Rogers selfishly want to join the Army, where he would be a liability on the battlefield because he can't fight for himself and would need his fellow soldiers to save him (similar to how Bucky saved him from getting his ass kicked), which would put his fellow soldiers at risk since they not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles?It's also MCU fans who claimed that Secretary of State Ross said there would be no trial for Bucky. Are you saying that's a lie? So I ask again: Why the fuck would there be no trial for Bucky when murder would be prosecuted by the state in a state trial and not by the federal government in a federal trial and Secretary Ross works for the federal government and has no say in whether the state brings murder charges against Bucky?
As for Thor, I wrote that Thor traveled back in time but didn't change history by warning his mother that she would be killed but Steve Rogers traveled back in time and changed history by hooking up with Peggy Carter. Are you saying that's a lie?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 18:36:43 GMT
You've already made numerous threads like this in the past. No, I haven't. In which old thread did I ever write about Steve Rogers selfishly wanting to join the Army knowing that his severe health problems would make him a liability on the battlefield because his fellow soldiers would have to save him (similar to how Bucky saved him from getting his ass kicked), which would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles? In which old thread did I ever write about Thor traveling back in time and not changing history by warning his mother that she would be killed but Steve Rogers travels back in time and selfishly changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter?
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Post by sostie on Nov 11, 2019 18:48:19 GMT
you have either not seen the films, or just plain do not comprehend what is going on in them I've seen the films and it's you who either don't comprehend them or are in denial of the facts (much like how Pats fans are still in denial that Tom Brady cheated, even though he got caught using tampered footballs and a federal appellate judge who swore an oath to judge fairly and objectively said on the record in open court that "the evidence of ball tampering is compelling"). And at that point I think "fuck it, same old repetition again". My turn to repeat...that sport and those people you keep referring to MEANS FUCK ALL TO MOST OF THE WORLD AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE SO QUIT WITH THE POINTLESS COMPARISONS. As for the content of your post...most of this has been covered many times before, and there is a difference between comprehending in context what is on screen and taking what happens on face value and creating padding The fact that you even ask this "Are you denying that Steve Rogers, who supposedly had severe problems and who was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped in, wanted to join the Army, which would have selfishly put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would've had to save Rogers" shows you have no comprehension of what is going on and what he film is trying say about the character. But most importantly...please stop thinking what you post is so important, observant, revelatory that it requires re-posting. A little less self-important and a bit more self-aware might be best. WE DO NOT CARE WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM SO STOP TELLING US. WE KNOW YOU DON'T. POINT MADE. BYE BYE
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 11, 2019 18:53:22 GMT
Everything I wrote is true. I wrote that Bruce Banner went to the university during the daytime, when there were plenty of civilians around, instead of either sending Betty Ross to the university to get the data he needed or going to the university at night, when there would be fewer civilians around. Are you saying that's a lie? I wrote that Peter Parker (who had a chance to stop the thief who killed Uncle Ben but took no action) had a chance to warn the teachers not to take the class to Prague, where Peter knew a fire monster would attack, but once again took no action. Are you saying that's a lie? It's MCU fans who claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. Are you saying that's a lie? So I ask again: If Steve Rogers had severe health problems, then why the fuck does Rogers selfishly want to join the Army, where he would be a liability on the battlefield because he can't fight for himself and would need his fellow soldiers to save him (similar to how Bucky saved him from getting his ass kicked), which would put his fellow soldiers at risk since they not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles?It's also MCU fans who claimed that Secretary of State Ross said there would be no trial for Bucky. Are you saying that's a lie? So I ask again: Why the fuck would there be no trial for Bucky when murder would be prosecuted by the state in a state trial and not by the federal government in a federal trial and Secretary Ross works for the federal government and has no say in whether the state brings murder charges against Bucky?
As for Thor, I wrote that Thor traveled back in time but didn't change history by warning his mother that she would be killed but Steve Rogers traveled back in time and changed history by hooking up with Peggy Carter. Are you saying that's a lie? No, no, you misunderstand. The lie is when you wrote that you dislike Marvel films. Well that's just not true. You love them. You've watched them so much you know them very well down to coming up with highly detailed fanwank theories of alternate characterizations and plot points that never happened. That's love right there. That's Juliet obsessing over Romeo's mere name. As Loki would say, "This is the basest sentimentality." So don't lie about your love. Embrace it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 18:56:59 GMT
I've seen the films and it's you who either don't comprehend them or are in denial of the facts (much like how Pats fans are still in denial that Tom Brady cheated, even though he got caught using tampered footballs and a federal appellate judge who swore an oath to judge fairly and objectively said on the record in open court that "the evidence of ball tampering is compelling"). The fact that you even ask this "Are you denying that Steve Rogers, who supposedly had severe problems and who was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped in, wanted to join the Army, which would have selfishly put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would've had to save Rogers" shows you have no comprehension of what is going on and what he film is trying say about the character. It's you who don't have comprehension. MCU is trying to say that Steve Rogers is heroic. I'm saying (and you don't seem to comprehend) that there's nothing heroic about selfishly putting your fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. If an athlete is injured and can't play, he's only hurting his team if he insists on playing. Likewise, if a soldier has severe health problems and can't fight his own battles, then he's only hurting his fellow soldiers who not only have to fight their own battles but also have to fight his battles. MCU fans claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. If so, then it's extremely selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army and put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield by forcing them to have to fight Rogers' battles as well as fight their own battles. Steve Rogers isn't a hero but just a selfish asshole who wants unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, like a tyrant does.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2019 19:01:04 GMT
You've already made numerous threads like this in the past. No, I haven't. In which old thread did I ever write about Steve Rogers selfishly wanting to join the Army knowing that his severe health problems would make him a liability on the battlefield because his fellow soldiers would have to save him (similar to how Bucky saved him from getting his ass kicked), which would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles? In which old thread did I ever write about Thor traveling back in time and not changing history by warning his mother that she would be killed but Steve Rogers travels back in time and selfishly changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter? You've made numerous threads about MCU characters being selfish. If you want to expound on your reasoning then just resurrect your old threads.
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Post by poutinep on Nov 11, 2019 19:06:25 GMT
Are you sure it isn't because the first comic book movie you saw was Superman: The Movie when you were 10-14 years old and you liked it so you developed a bias in favor of DC which also resulted in a bias against Marvel and ever since then you find ways to rationalize your per-determined opinions for DC and Marvel out of an arbitrary sense of loyalty? I'm sure. Because I have no bias against Marvel. Uh-huh. That's why you rate Endgame, Infinity War, The Winter Solider, Ragnarok etc a 1 yet Shazam! gets a 6? Deadpool is a 1, but Batman v Superman is a 5? don't even pretend you're reasonable.
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Post by sostie on Nov 11, 2019 19:10:38 GMT
The fact that you even ask this "Are you denying that Steve Rogers, who supposedly had severe problems and who was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped in, wanted to join the Army, which would have selfishly put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would've had to save Rogers" shows you have no comprehension of what is going on and what he film is trying say about the character. It's you who don't have comprehension. MCU is trying to say that Steve Rogers is heroic. I'm saying (and you don't seem to comprehend) that there's nothing heroic about selfishly putting your fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. If an athlete is injured and can't play, he's only hurting his team if he insists on playing. Likewise, if a soldier has severe health problems and can't fight his own battles, then he's only hurting his fellow soldiers who not only have to fight their own battles but also have to fight his battles. MCU fans claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. If so, then it's extremely selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army and put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield by forcing them to have to fight Rogers' battles as well as fight their own battles. Steve Rogers isn't a hero but just a selfish asshole who wants unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, like a tyrant does. With regard to my previous post...I rest my case
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:27:40 GMT
The fact that you even ask this "Are you denying that Steve Rogers, who supposedly had severe problems and who was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped in, wanted to join the Army, which would have selfishly put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would've had to save Rogers" shows you have no comprehension of what is going on and what he film is trying say about the character. It's you who don't have comprehension. MCU is trying to say that Steve Rogers is heroic. I'm saying (and you don't seem to comprehend) that there's nothing heroic about selfishly putting your fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. If an athlete is injured and can't play, he's only hurting his team if he insists on playing. Likewise, if a soldier has severe health problems and can't fight his own battles, then he's only hurting his fellow soldiers who not only have to fight their own battles but also have to fight his battles. MCU fans claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. If so, then it's extremely selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army and put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield by forcing them to have to fight Rogers' battles as well as fight their own battles. Steve Rogers isn't a hero but just a selfish asshole who wants unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, like a tyrant does. MCU fans claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems.
I've never heard that before.
That's always the problem with these kinds of debates/arguments. They all seem to hinge on what someone said, MCU fans said this, so and so said that...not my responsibility.
I didn't even know he had any health problems. I thought he was just considered scrawny. MCU fans claimed Rogers had blah blah, how do I even know that's true?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 19:47:38 GMT
It's you who don't have comprehension. MCU is trying to say that Steve Rogers is heroic. I'm saying (and you don't seem to comprehend) that there's nothing heroic about selfishly putting your fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. If an athlete is injured and can't play, he's only hurting his team if he insists on playing. Likewise, if a soldier has severe health problems and can't fight his own battles, then he's only hurting his fellow soldiers who not only have to fight their own battles but also have to fight his battles. MCU fans claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. If so, then it's extremely selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army and put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield by forcing them to have to fight Rogers' battles as well as fight their own battles. Steve Rogers isn't a hero but just a selfish asshole who wants unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, like a tyrant does.MCU fans claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems.
I've never heard that before.
That's always the problem with these kinds of debates/arguments. They all seem to hinge on what someone said, MCU fans said this, so and so said that...not my responsibility.
I didn't even know he had any health problems. I thought he was just considered scrawny. MCU fans claimed Rogers had blah blah, how do I even know that's true?
In the past, I've said that Rogers couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other soldiers did. MCU fans on this board have repeatedly insisted that Rogers wasn't lazy but just had severe health problems. So I'm just going by what MCU fans on this board have posted. And if Steve Rogers did have severe health problems, then it's extremely selfish and not at all heroic for Rogers to want to join the Army since he would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles.
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