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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 13, 2019 3:52:51 GMT
I guess I missed it. I don't remember Rogers being that worse for the wear. I knew he was scrawny and possibly asthmatic (I don't recall) but I sure didn't think he was on death's doorstep. I suppose the logic would be to build up the pretense of how unfit to be a soldier he is so his transformation can provide contrast. As for why he wanted to join the army, I guess the answer is he wanted to make a difference. With or without knowing if he could, he wanted to so much that it trumped his judgment. It came on the heals of him losing his mother and having no one but Bucky. It also comes from a disposition of not letting one's weaknesses come at the expense of their strengths. It doesn't just look good conceptually on paper. I thought Chris Evans did really well. He was clearly not about to be chosen to join the army for all the reasons that disqualified him before, but he ran into the scientist who felt people without the power won't take it for granted. It's been said throughout time if you want to test a man's character, give him power. One of the best decisions within that universe was that scientist's hunch this scrawny kid from Brooklyn was worth the most advanced serum ever developed.
A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report.
That's very cute. Regardless, he's not a brilliant man. He's a sad but cautiously optimistic mama's boy with no mama, no past, few characters in his life to live up to or disappoint, so he joined the army. In his mind, he was always saving people, rescuing people, helping people, then the experiment let his insides become his outsides and he matured into what he'd been all along. The man would rather be trying to get into the army for the umpteenth time instead of being on a date. He knows what his priorities are.
@cat DC-Fan - FYI That's my point. MCU fans say that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. So the question is: If Rogers had such severe health problems, why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability on the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also have to save Rogers (similar to how Bucky saved Rogers when Rogers was getting his ass kicked at the beginning of The First Avenger)? Only an extremely selfish asshole with no character at all would be willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk like Rogers wanted to do.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 13, 2019 3:58:43 GMT
Cool!
Wow, Cap really is messed up. Or was.
Heh, he was born on July 4th.
Very neat. I had no idea about this.
That could be why Rogers was such a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. Because Rogers probably felt that he got dealt a bad hand, with his severe health problems. So Rogers didn't give a shit that his fellow soldiers would have to risk their lives to fight his battles on the battlefield.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 13, 2019 4:00:10 GMT
I'm always impressed by how dcfan finds new ways to beclown himself at every turn. In this case he has revealed that every time he tried to argue that Steve Rogers was lazy, he got pwned by someone who pointed out that Rogers had medical issues. This occurred multiple times over many threads, leaving dcfan befuddled and incapable of crafting any sort of rebuttal, apart from repeating himself as he fled from one thread to another. No need to look it up. dcfan does all the leg work for us in an earlier post. Apparently, this has been bothering him for months. So, score additional pwnage to those who left him sputtering and seething all this time. And now ... after much deliberation, dcfan has finally come up with a reply - by insulting all veterans with a preexisting medical problem. According to dcfan they are selfish and lack character. And he did it on Veterans Day. Reminds me of the time he ran around mocking Stan Lee on multiple boards, right after he died. That sorry episode led to his self-imposed exile to avoid getting banned. I think we have another winner with this thread. DC-Fan just got owned! Replying to your own sock account! LOL!!!
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Post by poutinep on Nov 13, 2019 4:45:50 GMT
Replying to your own sock account! LOL!!! yeah because everyone who disagrees with you is the same person right you paranoid fuckwit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 6:53:14 GMT
Your jumping off point is still that MCU fans said this and that. It's like you think the criticisms are canon. I've never seen anyone argue Rogers had severe health problems and I didn't get it from the movie, so to me it looks like you're inventing their arguments for them and refuting that. That or you've heard it before somewhere, but then decided because someone said it, we all think it. That's what makes that argument dead in the water for me. MCU fans said this? No, I didn't. Is this a serious argument? Well there's a difference between health problems and severe health problems. I didn't miss the part where he was unfit to serve, I just didn't remember specifically his report included Scarlet Fever, frequent colds, heart palpitations. I'm also not used to the argument Captain America is lazy, so I've never thought to refute it with he's a sick man.
No, in the context of the argument I felt like I was refuting Captain America being on death's doorstep before the serum. I can't stress enough I did not miss the part where Captain America was unfit for duty. Everyone who said he wasn't lazy is right. Now I'm saying it too.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 13, 2019 11:02:46 GMT
Cool!
Wow, Cap really is messed up. Or was.
Heh, he was born on July 4th.
Very neat. I had no idea about this.
That could be why Rogers was such a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. Because Rogers probably felt that he got dealt a bad hand, with his severe health problems. So Rogers didn't give a shit that his fellow soldiers would have to risk their lives to fight his battles on the battlefield. Wanting to serve your country in a time of war does not mean you automatically become a combat soldier, cupcake. If someone in a wheelchair wanted to serve, does that make them a selfish asshole?
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Post by bud47 on Nov 13, 2019 15:33:00 GMT
Cool!
Wow, Cap really is messed up. Or was.
Heh, he was born on July 4th.
Very neat. I had no idea about this.
That could be why Rogers was such a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. Because Rogers probably felt that he got dealt a bad hand, with his severe health problems. So Rogers didn't give a shit that his fellow soldiers would have to risk their lives to fight his battles on the battlefield. Probably felt? You're inventing motivations and scenarios for these characters that simply aren't present in the films to fit your narrative. His only motivation was to serve. That's what we're given in the film. Anything other than that comes from your imagination.
Furthermore, I'm not sure how he would be a liability or a burden to the other soldiers. He would be properly vetted during the training process and likely not even put in the battlefield. Even if he was, with his limited ability, he wouldn't last long. It's likely he would take a bullet pretty quickly, taking him out of action early. No fuss, no muss. The only one that would risk anything to protect him would be Bucky due to their close relationship and that's only if they were to serve together. He was dismissed and belittled by the other soldiers during the training process in the film, so it's likely they wouldn't lift a finger to help him during combat. Hell, they might just use him as a human shield.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 15:56:08 GMT
Cool!
Wow, Cap really is messed up. Or was.
Heh, he was born on July 4th.
Very neat. I had no idea about this.
That could be why Rogers was such a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. Because Rogers probably felt that he got dealt a bad hand, with his severe health problems. So Rogers didn't give a shit that his fellow soldiers would have to risk their lives to fight his battles on the battlefield. It doesn't add up.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 13, 2019 21:57:02 GMT
MCU is too kiddie. they used to be guilty pleasure but it got too imatiure. Liar.
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Post by dazz on Nov 13, 2019 23:53:50 GMT
Cool!
Wow, Cap really is messed up. Or was.
Heh, he was born on July 4th.
Very neat. I had no idea about this.
That could be why Rogers was such a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. Because Rogers probably felt that he got dealt a bad hand, with his severe health problems. So Rogers didn't give a shit that his fellow soldiers would have to risk their lives to fight his battles on the battlefield. 2 Questions. 1: How many times are you going to post this same bullshit over and over again? didn't you already create a thead titled "Why I dislike MCU movies" or something pitifully similar, and fill it with the same witless ramblings as this one? no one cares why you hate the MCU films, anyone with a semi functioning brain just laughs at you, you drooling buffoon as you spout your repetitive and unimaginative hatred over and over again despite how many times you are shown to be a fool, like a brain addled parrot suffering from dementia.
2: You do realise their are other jobs for people in the service to perform other than combat right? You remember all them ladies in the film wearing military uniforms? they weren't serving on the front lines in combat, Steve simply wanted to do all he could do, because as he said why should he be expected to do any less? He specifically says he doesn't WANT to kill any Nazi's he didn't want to FIGHT, he wanted to SERVE, he could have served as an administrative assistant, as an orderly, or an aide of some kind, Steve I doubt expected to be judged as prime combat material but then a lot of service personnel aren't, that's why the armed services have a multitude of roles for all manner of people to fill, but you in your myopic stupor of hate and idiocy seem to forget this it seems.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 14, 2019 1:33:49 GMT
Is this a serious argument? Well there's a difference between health problems and severe health problems. I didn't miss the part where he was unfit to serve, I just didn't remember specifically his report included Scarlet Fever, frequent colds, heart palpitations. I'm also not used to the argument Captain America is lazy, so I've never thought to refute it with he's a sick man.
No, in the context of the argument I felt like I was refuting Captain America being on death's doorstep before the serum. I can't stress enough I did not miss the part where Captain America was unfit for duty. Everyone who said he wasn't lazy is right. Now I'm saying it too.
The medical report just shows that Steve Rogers is an extremely selfish asshole whom doesn't give a shit that he would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 14, 2019 1:36:25 GMT
That could be why Rogers was such a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. Because Rogers probably felt that he got dealt a bad hand, with his severe health problems. So Rogers didn't give a shit that his fellow soldiers would have to risk their lives to fight his battles on the battlefield. If someone in a wheelchair wanted to serve, does that make them a selfish asshole? If they wanted to serve by selling war bonds or becoming a recruiter, then that's not selfish. But if they want to go out in the field and fight the enemy, that Yes, that is selfish because they're a liability on the battlefield and that would put their fellow soldiers at risk.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 14, 2019 1:46:52 GMT
His only motivation was to serve. If that was his only motivation, then he could've just sold war bonds or become a recruiter. But he wanted to join the Army even though he knows he would be a liability on the battlefield and that would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. That's extermley selfish and lacking of any character. That's what we're given in the film. Anything other than that comes from your imagination. What we're given in the film is that he's a skinny weakling with severe health problems who was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped in to save him and yet he wants to join the Amry, knowing that he would be a liability on the battlefield and that would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. That's extermley selfish and lacking of any character. I'm not sure how he would be a liability or a burden to the other soldiers. He has severe health problems and was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped in to save him. You don't know how that would be a liability on the battlefield? What happens when he's on the battlefield and he's getting his ass kicked by a huge Nazi soldier? His fellow soldiers would have to step in to save him similar to what Bucky did. That would put his fellow soldiers at risk to constantly have to fight for him because he can't fight for himself. It's likely he would take a bullet pretty quickly, taking him out of action early. And that means his fellow soldiers would have to carry him off the battlefield, which would put his fellow soldiers at risk.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 14, 2019 1:52:15 GMT
That could be why Rogers was such a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield. Because Rogers probably felt that he got dealt a bad hand, with his severe health problems. So Rogers didn't give a shit that his fellow soldiers would have to risk their lives to fight his battles on the battlefield. he could have served as an administrative assistant, as an orderly, or an aide of some kind, Steve I doubt expected to be judged as prime combat material but then a lot of service personnel aren't, that's why the armed services have a multitude of roles for all manner of people to fill, but you in your myopic stupor of hate and idiocy seem to forget this it seems.
Rogers was rejected from the Army after he failed his physical. Administrative assistants, orderlies, and other aides don't need to pass a physical to get into the Army. Only soldiers in combat need to pass a physical to get into the Army. Rogers was trying to enlist to go into combat. That's why he had to pass a physical to get into the Army. It was extremely selfish for Rogers to want to do that since he couldn't even fight for himself and needed Bucky to step in and save him so he would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 14, 2019 1:58:56 GMT
If someone in a wheelchair wanted to serve, does that make them a selfish asshole? If they wanted to serve by selling war bonds or becoming a recruiter, then that's not selfish. But if they want to go out in the field and fight the enemy, that Yes, that is selfish because they're a liability on the battlefield and that would put their fellow soldiers at risk. There are many jobs in the army that don't include combat. Rogers obviously wanted to be more involved than just selling bonds at home. Such veterans should be commended. Only a total douch would argue otherwise. So, you were wrong to say Rogers was lazy and you're wrong to shit on veterans who are not physically capable of front line combat. Would you like to continue digging ... or is this where you typical flee with your tail between your legs?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 2:01:32 GMT
Well there's a difference between health problems and severe health problems. I didn't miss the part where he was unfit to serve, I just didn't remember specifically his report included Scarlet Fever, frequent colds, heart palpitations. I'm also not used to the argument Captain America is lazy, so I've never thought to refute it with he's a sick man.
No, in the context of the argument I felt like I was refuting Captain America being on death's doorstep before the serum. I can't stress enough I did not miss the part where Captain America was unfit for duty. Everyone who said he wasn't lazy is right. Now I'm saying it too.
The medical report just shows that Steve Rogers is an extremely selfish asshole whom doesn't give a shit that he would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. None of that's true. His first real act of battle was liberating his captured allies, walking back to camp and offering himself for discipilinary action, which was refused. He then went on to be the poster boy for using his strength for the war effort. He did it throughout the rest of the movie, culminating in his decision to lay down his life to save millions of others, and this put him on a path to saving half of all life in the universe.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 14, 2019 2:07:32 GMT
Rogers was rejected from the Army after he failed his physical. Administrative assistants, orderlies, and other aides don't need to pass a physical to get into the Army. Only soldiers in combat need to pass a physical to get into the Army. Rogers was trying to enlist to go into combat. That's why he had to pass a physical to get into the Army. Ah, this is where you make up fairy tales. Uh, no. In WW2, passing the physical was a requirement for any position in the army. You needed to go through boot camp, learn to fire a weapon. Even if you ended up as a cook, clerk, or assistant.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 14, 2019 2:13:01 GMT
The medical report just shows that Steve Rogers is an extremely selfish asshole whom doesn't give a shit that he would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. None of that's true. His first real act of battle was liberating his captured allies, walking back to camp and offering himself for discipilinary action, which was refused. He then went on to be the poster boy for using his strength for the war effort. He did it throughout the rest of the movie, culminating in his decision to lay down his life to save millions of others, and this put him on a path to saving half of all life in the universe. Everything I wrote is true. He selfishly wanted to join the Army even though he knew he couldn't fight for himself and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk. He aids and abets a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, resulting in a high-speed chase through a crowded street, which not only endangered the lives of law enforcement officers but also endangered the lives of civilians. Moreover, by aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, he forced law enforcement to spend valuable manpower and resources to try to track down and apprehend Bucky, which results in fewer law enforcement officers and resource for tracking down and apprehending other criminals and thus making it easier for other criminals to commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. And while Thor wasn't allowed to change history and warn his mother that she would be killed when Thor traveled back in time, Rogers changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter and stealing Peggy Carter away from the mas she's supposed to marry and thus ensuring that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Steve Rogers isn't a hero but a selfish asshole who's always putting innocent lives in danger and who always wants to be in charge, like a tyrant.
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Post by dazz on Nov 14, 2019 2:21:20 GMT
he could have served as an administrative assistant, as an orderly, or an aide of some kind, Steve I doubt expected to be judged as prime combat material but then a lot of service personnel aren't, that's why the armed services have a multitude of roles for all manner of people to fill, but you in your myopic stupor of hate and idiocy seem to forget this it seems.
Rogers was rejected from the Army after he failed his physical. Administrative assistants, orderlies, and other aides don't need to pass a physical to get into the Army. Only soldiers in combat need to pass a physical to get into the Army. Rogers was trying to enlist to go into combat. That's why he had to pass a physical to get into the Army. It was extremely selfish for Rogers to want to do that since he couldn't even fight for himself and needed Bucky to step in and save him so he would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. Really because surely they would actually gauge and assess Steve's abilities during basic training and learn where to best utilise him right? I mean all that passing his physical meant is that some doctor said yeah he's good meat for the grinder basically, where as Steve was shown in the movie to be the most mentally fit candidate in his group, as he was the only one with a brain or the consideration for others, so even if he got past his physical no one was going to mistake him for a combat position, but someone with the good sense and determination to serve his country the best way possible like him could be useful in other areas.
Now you can keep regurgitating the same tired shtick full of bullshit and idiocy you have been trying to peddle for years that Steve wanting to serve is selfish, he's a dictator, you have a functioning brain, you have an average sized penis, all of it over and over until you are blue in the face, but it wont change anything, your opinions are asinine and rubbish, you have a mind like curdled cheese and a penis so small that it wouldn't even be a mouthful for an amoeba.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 2:25:33 GMT
None of that's true. His first real act of battle was liberating his captured allies, walking back to camp and offering himself for discipilinary action, which was refused. He then went on to be the poster boy for using his strength for the war effort. He did it throughout the rest of the movie, culminating in his decision to lay down his life to save millions of others, and this put him on a path to saving half of all life in the universe. Everything I wrote is true. He selfishly wanted to join the Army even though he knew he couldn't fight for himself and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk. He aids and abets a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, resulting in a high-speed chase through a crowded street, which not only endangered the lives of law enforcement officers but also endangered the lives of civilians. Moreover, by aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, he forced law enforcement to spend valuable manpower and resources to try to track down and apprehend Bucky, which results in fewer law enforcement officers and resource for tracking down and apprehending other criminals and thus making it easier for other criminals to commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. And while Thor wasn't allowed to change history and warn his mother that she would be killed when Thor traveled back in time, Rogers changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter and stealing Peggy Carter away from the mas she's supposed to marry and thus ensuring that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Steve Rogers isn't a hero but a selfish asshole who's always putting innocent lives in danger and who always wants to be in charge, like a tyrant. None of that was ever the case though. He didn't put his fellow soldiers at risk. He saved them. Clearly he can fight for himself or else he wouldn't have done those things.
What's this about stealing Peggy? If he enters the timeline when she's single, her future history isn't written yet. There is no man she's supposed to marry, or kids she's supposed to have. Captain America found her in the end.
Actually it's just like what I said before about him leaving out on the note he came. Saving lives and pining for Peggy.
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