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Post by Carl LaFong on Nov 14, 2019 12:40:19 GMT
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Post by Morgana on Nov 14, 2019 13:27:16 GMT
Thanks for this link. Since I haven't read most of the books on the list, I've saved it so I can make a list later.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Nov 14, 2019 13:33:03 GMT
No worries.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 14, 2019 15:32:40 GMT
Well, I at least saw the ATTWN miniseries and the 1945 movie. And I think I saw a safari version from the 1980s.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Nov 14, 2019 17:52:34 GMT
The film version of Green for Danger with Alastair Sim and Trevor Howard is good.
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Post by novastar6 on Nov 14, 2019 18:11:03 GMT
The film version of Green for Danger with Alastair Sim and Trevor Howard is good.
I saw that one, good movie, always strange to see Alastair Sim as anything other than Scrooge.
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 15, 2019 5:44:15 GMT
A decade or so ago I put together my own Best Mysteries but I haven’t revisited it in the new century. I did it a little differently. If I thought that any particular author deserved more than one title on the listing, I named them under the writer’s entry.
The only one I share with the The Guardian’s choices is “And Then There Were None,” however I do approve of the inclusion of “Magpie Murders” by Anthony Horowitz, also his “The Word Is Murder.” J.K. Rowling (writing as as Robert Galbraith) has a superior private eye series featuring Cormoran Strike, a weight challenged man, the illegitimate son of a famous rock star.
Here is my Top 10 list along with a HM section.
1. The Hound Of The Baskervilles / Arthur Conan Doyle (1902)
2. The Poisoned Chocolates Case / Anthony Berkeley (1929)
3. The Three Coffins / John Dickson Carr (1935)
4. And Then There Were None / Agatha Christie (1939) The Murder Of Roger Ackroyd / Agatha Christie (1926) The ABC Murders / Agatha Christie (1936)
5. I, The Jury / Mickey Spillane (1947) My Gun Is Quick / Mickey Spillane (1950)
6. The Little Sister / Raymond Chandler (1949) The Long Goodbye / Raymond Chandler (1954)
7. The Daughter of Time / Josephine Tey (1952)
8. The Finishing Stroke / Ellery Queen (1958) The Lamp Of God: A Short Novel / Ellery Queen (1940)
9. The Zebra Striped Hearse / Ross MacDonald (1962) The Goodbye Look / Ross MacDonald (1969) Sleeping Beauty / Ross MacDonald (1973)
10. Epitaphs / Bill Pronzini (1993) Quicksilver / Bill Pronzini (1984) Blowback / Bill Pronzini (1977) Sentinels / Bill Pronzini (1997)
Others that, on any particular day, might well drift up into the numbered list.
Warrant For X by Phillip McDonald (1938)
The Sleeping Car Murders / Sébastian Japrisot (1962) The Lady In The Car With Glasses And A Gun / Sébastian Japrisot (1966) A Very Long Engagement / Sébastian Japrisot (1991)
Points And Lines / Seichō Matsumoto (1970)
The Laughing Policeman / Maj Sjöwall and Per Wahlöö (1970)
The January Corpse / Neil Albert (1991)
Simisola / Ruth Rendell (1995) The Man Who Cancelled Himself / David Handler (1995)
Firestorm / Nevada Barr (1996) Blind Descent / Nevada Barr (1995)
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Post by wmcclain on Nov 19, 2019 1:58:56 GMT
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 21, 2019 3:17:32 GMT
Oof, my top 10, offhand, only allowing myself to choose one work per author (and limiting myself to novels, or else The Collected Father Brown would definitely be on here):
Arthur Conan Doyle, The Valley of Fear (less spookiness than Hound, but better writing/atmospherics; only one of the Holmes novels to be a real, puzzle-plot mystery with tons of clues and a SURPRISE murderer. Great flashback to a town besieged by a criminal gang, had to inspire Hammett [Red Harvest], so this one book influenced both the puzzle-plot school and the hardboiled school. Holmes at his best—brilliant pure brainwork)
Agatha Christie, Death on the Nile (I usually prefer AC’s non-series books—Towards Zero, Endless Night, The Pale Horse—but this is her best as a mystery. Stylistically so-so, but characterization of victim and main suspect very good, and one of the greatest deceptions in the genre)
Gladys Mitchell, Come Away, Death (Mrs. Bradley, a witch and murderess who’s also our detective character, has to stop a lunatic from sacrificing his children to the Greek gods, and stop several other murders along the way. Hilarious, unusual, wonderfully written)
John Dickson Carr, He Who Whispers (hard to choose a favorite Carr, but this is up there: the hero falls in love with an apparent murderess who may also be a vampire. Terrifying, with uncharacteristically deep characterization and that whispering at the window scene, with the brilliant method)
Christianna Brand, Tour de Force (also hard to choose a favorite Brand, as she was probably the best classic-style murder-mystery writer of them all, but the audaciousness of this one’s structure is jaw-dropping)
Ellery Queen, The Four of Hearts (I’m not a huge Queen fan, certainly not as much as I once was, though the short stories are usually excellent. This one, though—funny, tons of clues, genuinely surprising final twist)
Michael Innes, Hamlet, Revenge! (huge book, massive cast of characters, though the detective’s a non-entity—but Dickensian scope. As one critic wrote, probably the best escape plan in all of fiction [at least tied with The Count of Monte Cristo]. Highly intelligent; excellent technique that should be studied by all mystery writers)
Helen McCloy, The Slayer and the Slain (if it’s really a mystery, rather than psychological suspense or horror… [If not, Through a Glass, Darkly]. Scary and suspenseful, especially as final revelation dawns on reader)
Ross Macdonald, The Chill (because of criteria, I left off most excellent but non-plot-focused hardboiled writers, e.g. Hammett and Chandler, but Macdonald was as much a puzzle-plotter as hardboiled. Characterization and style first-rate, as usual, with great humanity. Chilling in its final revelation, as befits title)
John Sladek, Black Aura (not really Golden Age even by a stretch, but so good I couldn’t leave it off. Best Carr book Carr never wrote, with smooth prose and excellent clues. Hilarious, particularly in the exposé of spiritualism [which Sladek hated]. Best detective character in the genre other than Mrs. Bradley)
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 21, 2019 3:26:51 GMT
Not a book, of course, but I know someone who thought The Simpsons’ “Who Shot Mr. Burns” was one of the best mysteries ever written—and, thinking on it, I’m forced to agree. Huge number of clues, most of them hidden in first-class jokes. The sundial is one of the all-time great clues.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 31, 2020 14:25:19 GMT
One author I’d greatly appreciate recommendations for is Ruth Rendell.
I used to despise her stuff in my the-only-good-mystery-is-a-clue-packed-Carr/Christie/Queen-style-puzzle-plot phase, but I discovered her short stories a few years ago and loved them (and, though I still love those kinds of mysteries, I’ve gotten over that phase). “The Vinegar Mother,” “The Wrong Category,” and especially “The Fallen Curtain” are dark, sinister, and shocking, with what blogger-critic Nick Fuller called Christie’s gift for the misleading statement, coupled with Roald-Dahlian irony and inevitability. (I didn’t put the Christie comment in quotes because for the life of me I can’t find Nick’s actual quotation anywhere on the ’net…though I know I read it at some point, and I’m almost positive it was he who wrote it.)
I’d love to read some more short stories in that vein, but I’m reading a Rendell short-story collection, The Copper Peacock, right now and not liking it as much. While her writing is as strong as ever, the twists just aren’t that good: they’re either obvious or anticlimactic or both. Anyone have recommendations for Rendell stories? It’s entirely possible Peacock is just a bad batch.
I’m going to have to start on the novels at some point, but Insp. Wexford bores me.
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Post by theravenking on Feb 4, 2020 23:11:56 GMT
One author I’d greatly appreciate recommendations for is Ruth Rendell. I used to despise her stuff in my the-only-good-mystery-is-a-clue-packed-Carr/Christie/Queen-style-puzzle-plot phase, but I discovered her short stories a few years ago and loved them (and, though I still love those kinds of mysteries, I’ve gotten over that phase). “The Vinegar Mother,” “The Wrong Category,” and especially “The Fallen Curtain” are dark, sinister, and shocking, with what blogger-critic Nick Fuller called Christie’s gift for the misleading statement, coupled with Roald-Dahlian irony and inevitability. (I didn’t put the Christie comment in quotes because for the life of me I can’t find Nick’s actual quotation anywhere on the ’net…though I know I read it at some point, and I’m almost positive it was he who wrote it.) I’d love to read some more short stories in that vein, but I’m reading a Rendell short-story collection, The Copper Peacock, right now and not liking it as much. While her writing is as strong as ever, the twists just aren’t that good: they’re either obvious or anticlimactic or both. Anyone have recommendations for Rendell stories? It’s entirely possible Peacock is just a bad batch. I’m going to have to start on the novels at some point, but Insp. Wexford bores me. I used to read a lot of Rendell. She was one of the first adult writers I tried as a teenager. Now after having neglected her work for a long time last year I picked up A Spot Folly, a collection of posthumously collected short stories of hers. They were surprisingly enjoyable. It wasn’t heavy psychological stuff like you would often get with Rendell but more twisty mystery tales of the sort you would read in something like Alfred Hitchcock's Mystery Magazine. Encouraged by this I tried another one of her short story collections Piranha to scurfy which unfortunately wasn’t nearly as good. The stories were too experimental for my taste. You could tell Rendell was trying to exercise her muscles as a serious writer.
My memory is a bit rusty on the older Rendells I’ve read, so I’m afraid I can’t give any recommendations. I remember enjoying Asta’s Book and The Bridesmaid very much but that was many years ago.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Feb 4, 2020 23:17:49 GMT
Who was the poster who said Asta’s Book was his favourite ever novel?
May have been on the original IMDb boards.
Only RR book I’ve read was A Dark Adapted Eye. It was OK I suppose.
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Post by theravenking on Feb 5, 2020 12:12:27 GMT
Who was the poster who said Asta’s Book was his favourite ever novel? May have been on the original IMDb boards. Only RR book I’ve read was A Dark Adapted Eye. It was OK I suppose. I think it was the poster Harold Robbins on the old imdb board.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Feb 5, 2020 12:19:04 GMT
Who was the poster who said Asta’s Book was his favourite ever novel? May have been on the original IMDb boards. Only RR book I’ve read was A Dark Adapted Eye. It was OK I suppose. I think it was the poster Harold Robbins on the old imdb board. That’s it! Thanks.
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Post by louise on Feb 13, 2020 10:46:49 GMT
I'm never quite sure what they mean by 'Golden Age' but according to this list it evidently lasted from 1939-2019, which gives plenty of choice. None of the ones on the list are particular favourites of mine.
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Post by theravenking on Feb 13, 2020 13:39:22 GMT
I'm never quite sure what they mean by 'Golden Age' but according to this list it evidently lasted from 1939-2019, which gives plenty of choice. None of the ones on the list are particular favourites of mine. If I'm not mistaken, the actual Golden Age was from 1921 to 1941 or basically the time between the two World Wars. This list has barely any books from that age on it.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 13, 2020 18:15:56 GMT
A decade or so ago I put together my own Best Mysteries but I haven’t revisited it in the new century. I did it a little differently. If I thought that any particular author deserved more than one title on the listing, I named them under the writer’s entry. The only one I share with the The Guardian’s choices is “And Then There Were None,” however I do approve of the inclusion of “Magpie Murders” by Anthony Horowitz, also his “The Word Is Murder.” J.K. Rowling (writing as as Robert Galbraith) has a superior private eye series featuring Cormoran Strike, a weight challenged man, the illegitimate son of a famous rock star. Here is my Top 10 list along with a HM section. 1. The Hound Of The Baskervilles / Arthur Conan Doyle (1902) 2. The Poisoned Chocolates Case / Anthony Berkeley (1929) 3. The Three Coffins / John Dickson Carr (1935) 4. And Then There Were None / Agatha Christie (1939) The Murder Of Roger Ackroyd / Agatha Christie (1926) The ABC Murders / Agatha Christie (1936) 5. I, The Jury / Mickey Spillane (1947) My Gun Is Quick / Mickey Spillane (1950) 6. The Little Sister / Raymond Chandler (1949) The Long Goodbye / Raymond Chandler (1954) 7. The Daughter of Time / Josephine Tey (1952) 8. The Finishing Stroke / Ellery Queen (1958) The Lamp Of God: A Short Novel / Ellery Queen (1940) 9. The Zebra Striped Hearse / Ross MacDonald (1962) The Goodbye Look / Ross MacDonald (1969) Sleeping Beauty / Ross MacDonald (1973) 10. Epitaphs / Bill Pronzini (1993) Quicksilver / Bill Pronzini (1984) Blowback / Bill Pronzini (1977) Sentinels / Bill Pronzini (1997) Others that, on any particular day, might well drift up into the numbered list. Warrant For X by Phillip McDonald (1938) The Sleeping Car Murders / Sébastian Japrisot (1962) The Lady In The Car With Glasses And A Gun / Sébastian Japrisot (1966) A Very Long Engagement / Sébastian Japrisot (1991) Points And Lines / Seichō Matsumoto (1970) The Laughing Policeman / Maj Sjöwall and Per Wahlöö (1970) The January Corpse / Neil Albert (1991) Simisola / Ruth Rendell (1995) The Man Who Cancelled Himself / David Handler (1995) Firestorm / Nevada Barr (1996) Blind Descent / Nevada Barr (1995) I love Laughing policeman.
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