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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 5:44:33 GMT
The first episode was great. This one was utter trash. Why the fuck are there jawas on some random planet that isn't Tattooine?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 16, 2019 11:07:49 GMT
They are on a holiday.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Nov 17, 2019 14:42:33 GMT
They were there to pick up a spare part for their sand crawler from a junkyard.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 17, 2019 16:39:40 GMT
The first episode was great. This one was utter trash. Why the fuck are there jawas on some random planet that isn't Tattooine? Nope. Loved it more than the first. There are humans on every freaking planet, but Jawas can't be on more than one?
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 18, 2019 16:52:37 GMT
I'm just put off by the short episodes. Half a hour? Really?
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 21, 2019 13:23:35 GMT
Jawas being in another planet is why you didn't like it, LOL?!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 21, 2019 15:09:05 GMT
I'm just put off by the short episodes. Half a hour? Really? I keep seeing this but it’s not a big deal to me. Time is money and these are already expensive. I can’t think of anything that was missing from this episode.
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 21, 2019 15:10:57 GMT
I'm just put off by the short episodes. Half a hour? Really? I keep seeing this but it’s not a big deal to me. Time is money and these are already expensive. I can’t think of anything that was missing from this episode.We needed more screen time for baby Yoda.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Nov 21, 2019 15:28:18 GMT
I'm still wondering why we still haven't seen the Jawas without their hoods after all these years. What do they have to hide? 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:48:04 GMT
I thought episode 2 was better than episode 1. But I didn't think either of them were more than "okay", really.
The short episodes bother me. I'm not against episodes that are longer or shorter than the TV standard, if the story requires it. But these feel very light on story to me. I'm watching them because they have cool spaceships and action in them, but at least so far they're really not offering anything beyond that. Most critically, I have no idea who the protagonist is or why I should care about him in the slightest. And it bugs me that he never takes his helmet off.
As for Jawas, why shouldn't they be on planets other than Tattooine? Interstellar travel is a regular thing in this universe. Hell, who says they're even native to Tattooine in the first place?
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 21, 2019 20:09:48 GMT
The first episode was great. This one was utter trash. Why the fuck are there jawas on some random planet that isn't Tattooine? Nope. Loved it more than the first. There are humans on every freaking planet, but Jawas can't be on more than one? True but I can see the point of the OP. Jawas aren't known for their ability of space travel but a case can be made that a bunch of them hitched a ride to Arvala-7. The real question would be, how would they have gotten a sandcrawler there?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 21, 2019 21:22:30 GMT
Nope. Loved it more than the first. There are humans on every freaking planet, but Jawas can't be on more than one? True but I can see the point of the OP. Jawas aren't known for their ability of space travel but a case can be made that a bunch of them hitched a ride to Arvala-7. The real question would be, how would they have gotten a sandcrawler there? I think Sandcrawlers are old tech that was used to haul droids during manufacturing during the clone wars. That was one of the dumb things about Phantom Menace as the ships carrying droids was fancier.
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 22, 2019 5:55:13 GMT
True but I can see the point of the OP. Jawas aren't known for their ability of space travel but a case can be made that a bunch of them hitched a ride to Arvala-7. The real question would be, how would they have gotten a sandcrawler there? I think Sandcrawlers are old tech that was used to haul droids during manufacturing during the clone wars. That was one of the dumb things about Phantom Menace as the ships carrying droids was fancier. I looked it up and apparently sandcrawlers were left behind by mining guilds when whatever they were mining dried up or failed but what are the odds that 2 of the exact same sandcrawler ended up on 2 different planets only to be taken over by Jawas.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 22, 2019 13:42:36 GMT
I thought episode 2 was better than episode 1. But I didn't think either of them were more than "okay", really. The short episodes bother me. I'm not against episodes that are longer or shorter than the TV standard, if the story requires it. But these feel very light on story to me. I'm watching them because they have cool spaceships and action in them, but at least so far they're really not offering anything beyond that. Most critically, I have no idea who the protagonist is or why I should care about him in the slightest. And it bugs me that he never takes his helmet off. As for Jawas, why shouldn't they be on planets other than Tattooine? Interstellar travel is a regular thing in this universe. Hell, who says they're even native to Tattooine in the first place? I think the episode length is for what is needed for the story in the episode. Episode 3 is 38 minutes. So as long as we don't get a 15-20 minute episode, I'm cool with it.
Don't really need to see his face to know who he is. You know he's human and his body language conveys all we really need.
Jawas are pretty much the rats or raccoons of the Star Wars universe. They'll probably be on any planet. Also, how do we know we haven't see them elsewhere? They wear hooded robes on desert/dirt planets. Maybe they don't wear robes on other types of planets.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 15:17:26 GMT
I think the episode length is for what is needed for the story in the episode. And I agree with that. But that's the thing, though - I don't think we're getting enough story in the episodes for them to be satisfying. In fact, we're hardly getting any story at all in the episodes. Episode one was "the Mandalorian takes a job to collect a bounty. He gets there and finds it's a baby." And episode two was "He leaves with the baby." It's pretty thin stuff and both times the credits have rolled I've been left thinking "Huh, is that all we're getting?" It's like they're making a fan film, or a special effects demo film. It leaves me unsatisfied. If you're okay with short episodes, why draw the line between 20 and 38 minutes? Galactica : Blood and Chrome had 12 minute episodes. They were long enough for the amount of story in the episodes, because the episodes didn't have a whole lot of story - so why is that any different? Actually that's a good comparison now I think of it. In a normal TV series each episode is a complete story with a beginning, middle and ending. Those episodes may then each be part of a larger story, but they are complete in themselves. Web series like Blood and Chrome have episodes that aren't complete stories, they are just parts of a whole. You get a complete story when you add them all together, but any individual episode feels like it's a scene rather than a story. And that's how the Mandalorian feels to me. When I watch an episode I don't feel like I've watched a story, I feel like I've watched a handful of scenes. Like they'd taken a film and chopped it into 20 minute segments and called each one an episode. It may do so to you, it doesn't for me. I need to see his face. Honestly to me it just comes across like they're ripping off Judge Dredd. The helmet thing works for Dredd, perhaps because you can still see his mouth. But it doesn't for this, IMO.
Plus, I have a vague suspicion that one day they're going to show us that the person under that helmet is a woman. I don't mind that, particularly, just a feeling I have.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 22, 2019 15:57:15 GMT
I think the episode length is for what is needed for the story in the episode. And I agree with that. But that's the thing, though - I don't think we're getting enough story in the episodes for them to be satisfying. In fact, we're hardly getting any story at all in the episodes. Episode one was "the Mandalorian takes a job to collect a bounty. He gets there and finds it's a baby." And episode two was "He leaves with the baby." It's pretty thin stuff and both times the credits have rolled I've been left thinking "Huh, is that all we're getting?" It's like they're making a fan film, or a special effects demo film. It leaves me unsatisfied. If you're okay with short episodes, why draw the line between 20 and 38 minutes? Galactica : Blood and Chrome had 12 minute episodes. They were long enough for the amount of story in the episodes, because the episodes didn't have a whole lot of story - so why is that any different? Actually that's a good comparison now I think of it. In a normal TV series each episode is a complete story with a beginning, middle and ending. Those episodes may then each be part of a larger story, but they are complete in themselves. Web series like Blood and Chrome have episodes that aren't complete stories, they are just parts of a whole. You get a complete story when you add them all together, but any individual episode feels like it's a scene rather than a story. And that's how the Mandalorian feels to me. When I watch an episode I don't feel like I've watched a story, I feel like I've watched a handful of scenes. Like they'd taken a film and chopped it into 20 minute segments and called each one an episode. It may do so to you, it doesn't for me. I need to see his face. Honestly to me it just comes across like they're ripping off Judge Dredd. The helmet thing works for Dredd, perhaps because you can still see his mouth. But it doesn't for this, IMO.
Plus, I have a vague suspicion that one day they're going to show us that the person under that helmet is a woman. I don't mind that, particularly, just a feeling I have.
Hm, I got a lot of story out of ep2. It wasn't just him walking around.
Because I didn't watch Battlestar. And isn't Galactica: Blood and Chrome an actual web series and not a tv series? My cut off is 15-20 because that's way too short.
Why do you need to see his face? Like I said, he's good at conveying his body language to show us what he's thinking. What would be the difference if he had his helmet off and was completely stone face, showing no emotions, and him wearing a helmet the whole time?
They've shown us that it is a guy underneath. So unless he's the first Star Wars transgender then...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 19:13:35 GMT
Hm, I got a lot of story out of ep2. It wasn't just him walking around. But in story terms, the only thing that happened is that he left the planet. Sure he had to go fight the Jawas and fight the Space-Rhino, but those aren't really story beats, they're just action scenes. There's nothing wrong with action scenes, but they don't change anything significant about what's going on. If he got in his ship and flew away, as far as the remainder of the story is concerned that's the same thing as finding his ship damaged, fighting the Jawas, fighting the Space-Rhino, then getting in his ship and flying away. Yes. And that's what this series feels like to me.
And that's fine, but it's completely arbitrary. My cut off is as long as is needed to tell a satisfying story, which so far they're not doing for me.
Because it helps me identify with and empathise with the character. Right now I know next to nothing about the Mandalorian. What's his name? I don't know. Why is he a bounty hunter? I don't know. Why is having his armour made of that metal stuff important to him? I don't know.
I've mentioned before, I keep thinking of Firefly. By the end of episode one I knew who Mal was and what motivated him. I knew he fought in a war for freedom, which is a goal pretty much anybody can sympathise with, I knew that he lost, was bitter about it, became irreligious because of it. I knew that he valued his ship so much because it was the only way he had to stay as free as he could, that he could be ruthless to the point of killing but was also fundamentally decent and avoided conflict if he could, that he cared deeply about his crew... I knew a ton about him. What I know about the Mandalorian is he's good at fighting, hunts people down for money, wants his armour made of the metal stuff (though I've no idea why), has a trauma in his past, and... that's it.
If he showed no emotions all the time then that would also be bad.
Have they? How? If they have, I've missed it. I can think of nothing they've done to establish the gender of the character.
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 19:52:58 GMT
Nope...second episode was great. Reminded me of Lone Wolf & Cub/Babycart
I don't care about where the Jawas are or are from. More bothered that the series features The Force...one element of Star Wars I find pretty dull (I also gradually over the movies began to hate Yoda...but this baby Yoda seems quite bearable)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 22:27:12 GMT
Now the third episode was an improvement. Got us what's probably the first real character moment for the protagonist in the series so far.
Honestly the first three eps should have been cut together as the premiere episode of the series. But I guess you get more subscribers if you spin it out.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 22, 2019 22:39:15 GMT
Hm, I got a lot of story out of ep2. It wasn't just him walking around. But in story terms, the only thing that happened is that he left the planet. Sure he had to go fight the Jawas and fight the Space-Rhino, but those aren't really story beats, they're just action scenes. There's nothing wrong with action scenes, but they don't change anything significant about what's going on. If he got in his ship and flew away, as far as the remainder of the story is concerned that's the same thing as finding his ship damaged, fighting the Jawas, fighting the Space-Rhino, then getting in his ship and flying away. Yes. And that's what this series feels like to me.
And that's fine, but it's completely arbitrary. My cut off is as long as is needed to tell a satisfying story, which so far they're not doing for me.
Because it helps me identify with and empathise with the character. Right now I know next to nothing about the Mandalorian. What's his name? I don't know. Why is he a bounty hunter? I don't know. Why is having his armour made of that metal stuff important to him? I don't know.
I've mentioned before, I keep thinking of Firefly. By the end of episode one I knew who Mal was and what motivated him. I knew he fought in a war for freedom, which is a goal pretty much anybody can sympathise with, I knew that he lost, was bitter about it, became irreligious because of it. I knew that he valued his ship so much because it was the only way he had to stay as free as he could, that he could be ruthless to the point of killing but was also fundamentally decent and avoided conflict if he could, that he cared deeply about his crew... I knew a ton about him. What I know about the Mandalorian is he's good at fighting, hunts people down for money, wants his armour made of the metal stuff (though I've no idea why), has a trauma in his past, and... that's it.
If he showed no emotions all the time then that would also be bad.
Have they? How? If they have, I've missed it. I can think of nothing they've done to establish the gender of the character. That's all you got out of that episode? We learn that they sent more than just him and an IG droid after the kid. So he's important to them (for the Empire and to keep it away from others). We learn the Force is involved. In the 1st episode we learned that the Empire stole that metal from them during the Purge and hunted them down along with the Jedi. The metal is traditionally what they made their armor from. Did you have the show on in the background while you did other things?
Why would you want to know everything about a character by episode 2? But we do learn why the metal is important to him and the other Mandalorians. See his face helps identify and empathize with him? So you saying if it was just a head in a jar you'd identify with him?
But he's showing emotion through body language.
The flashbacks are from his perspective and that is a little boy.
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