Harmless elf
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Post by Harmless elf on Nov 16, 2019 17:27:15 GMT
I cancelled my network and cable I only have Disney plus now. The reason is when the NXT vs WWE angle started I realized wrestling is just gonna be the same story in a loop but with different wrestlers. It's just a rehash of the invasion/alliance/nexus story. I just don't care anymore. I know some will argue it's now just getting interesting cuz it was really boring before but like I said I just feel like I'm in a repeat or a Time loop and I think I'm at a point where I don't think I can see anything new from wrestling.
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Post by Nike316 on Nov 16, 2019 22:21:04 GMT
You're not alone, since WWE's ratings keep failing. I think the problem is the focus mainly centering on what sells among the hardcore fans whose only interest is strictly wrestling, instead of livening up the shows again with Sports Entertainment, which was supposed to be the company's main selling point anyway.
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Post by Jayman on Nov 20, 2019 6:15:33 GMT
I tapped out around 10-15 years ago
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Post by dazz on Nov 20, 2019 12:23:33 GMT
New doesn't mean good in pro wrestling, take a look at AEW, they do a lot of "new" stuff most of it sucks, the only stuff that's truly working is the main event stuff with Cody & Jericho who aren't reinventing the wheel, they do stuff that makes sense, which if you know wrestling means you can figure out how the shit should probably go, doesn't stop their stuff being top quality though.
Problem with WWE is the problem TNA had for a long time in that it's not that there isn't anything "new" but that everything is repetitive, the same openings, the same annual storylines to lead into the same gimmick ppv's at the same time every year, problem is the playbook for wrestling is hundreds of pages thick, WWE however only uses 20 of those plays.
Imo complaining about the NXT feud being a rehash of a storyline you have seen to varying degree's twice in the last 20 years is ridiculous though, how many plots when you really break it down do movies follow? a game between 2 people has only 3 results, you win, they win, no one wins, it's how you get to one of those results which varies, same for wrestling angles, even then it's about the quality of the angle, the promos and matches which make a product worth watching not whether this is new or not, guess what if in his next match AJ Styles tore off his gear and shit out a unicorn in the middle of the ring that would be something new, would it necessarily be good? not really, I mean anyone think Mae Young giving birth to a hand was great television?
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Harmless elf
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Post by Harmless elf on Nov 21, 2019 14:51:30 GMT
New doesn't mean good in pro wrestling, take a look at AEW, they do a lot of "new" stuff most of it sucks, the only stuff that's truly working is the main event stuff with Cody & Jericho who aren't reinventing the wheel, they do stuff that makes sense, which if you know wrestling means you can figure out how the shit should probably go, doesn't stop their stuff being top quality though. Problem with WWE is the problem TNA had for a long time in that it's not that there isn't anything "new" but that everything is repetitive, the same openings, the same annual storylines to lead into the same gimmick ppv's at the same time every year, problem is the playbook for wrestling is hundreds of pages thick, WWE however only uses 20 of those plays. Imo complaining about the NXT feud being a rehash of a storyline you have seen to varying degree's twice in the last 20 years is ridiculous though, how many plots when you really break it down do movies follow? a game between 2 people has only 3 results, you win, they win, no one wins, it's how you get to one of those results which varies, same for wrestling angles, even then it's about the quality of the angle, the promos and matches which make a product worth watching not whether this is new or not, guess what if in his next match AJ Styles tore off his gear and shit out a unicorn in the middle of the ring that would be something new, would it necessarily be good? not really, I mean anyone think Mae Young giving birth to a hand was great television? if a movie has the exact same storyline as previous ones I don't like it, it's the reason why I didn't like Avatar. |
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Post by dazz on Nov 21, 2019 15:47:23 GMT
New doesn't mean good in pro wrestling, take a look at AEW, they do a lot of "new" stuff most of it sucks, the only stuff that's truly working is the main event stuff with Cody & Jericho who aren't reinventing the wheel, they do stuff that makes sense, which if you know wrestling means you can figure out how the shit should probably go, doesn't stop their stuff being top quality though. Problem with WWE is the problem TNA had for a long time in that it's not that there isn't anything "new" but that everything is repetitive, the same openings, the same annual storylines to lead into the same gimmick ppv's at the same time every year, problem is the playbook for wrestling is hundreds of pages thick, WWE however only uses 20 of those plays. Imo complaining about the NXT feud being a rehash of a storyline you have seen to varying degree's twice in the last 20 years is ridiculous though, how many plots when you really break it down do movies follow? a game between 2 people has only 3 results, you win, they win, no one wins, it's how you get to one of those results which varies, same for wrestling angles, even then it's about the quality of the angle, the promos and matches which make a product worth watching not whether this is new or not, guess what if in his next match AJ Styles tore off his gear and shit out a unicorn in the middle of the ring that would be something new, would it necessarily be good? not really, I mean anyone think Mae Young giving birth to a hand was great television? if a movie has the exact same storyline as previous ones I don't like it, it's the reason why I didn't like Avatar. Exact same and similar are different though, you compared the Invasion angle with the Nexus storyline, they are in no way the same, except for it initially built up to a big multi man match, nothing else was really the same.
Most movies and TV follow far more similar storylines with other movies in their genre, this is a more valid complaint to be made about TNA/Impact during Vince Russo's run writing for the company as we would get an annual new big heel mega stables that took over the company, held most of the titles and ran rough shot over the TV, then a babyface group come together to fight them off, S.E.X, Main Event Mafia, Aces & 8's, Fortune, Immortal, Planet Jarret, Team Canada, Team Dixie, World Elite...god it was tireseome.
Like I get if the repetitiveness gets to you, like I said WWE uses a very limited playbook and the annual gimmick PPV's don't help with anything, but of all the things to set this thought off being an angle that it is tenuous at best to say WWE has run two other times in the last 2 decades is odd, the Rumble winner Vs. World Champion storylines are far more obvious and limited a storyline than this that has been played out way more often, hell Undertaker's WM feuds for the last 15 years have all been a variation on the same storyline, "I want to break the streak" call out promo's, spooky response, more shit talking, spooky shit, tombstone, WM...Taker wins, well except for when he fought Brock or Roman that is.
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Post by petrolino on Nov 22, 2019 1:18:41 GMT
Take a break - it tends to renew the desire and refresh the appetite. Wrestling for life.
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Post by Jayman on Nov 22, 2019 1:59:36 GMT
Take a break - it tends to renew the desire and refresh the appetite. Wrestling for life. its true it does. I did that a few times |
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Post by petrolino on Nov 22, 2019 2:02:48 GMT
Take a break - it tends to renew the desire and refresh the appetite. Wrestling for life. its true it does. I did that a few times I think there's peaks and troughs in wrestling, like all sports, except it's such a brutal, year-long business it really takes its toll on everybody. I prefer to ride out the storm myself, but know from experience, if you really lose interest, a break can do wonders as you realise what you're missing (and vote against the negatives you're witnessing with your feet, so to speak).
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Post by Jayman on Nov 28, 2019 1:44:40 GMT
its true it does. I did that a few times I think there's peaks and troughs in wrestling, like all sports, except it's such a brutal, year-long business it really takes its toll on everybody. I prefer to ride out the storm myself, but know from experience, if you really lose interest, a break can do wonders as you realise what you're missing (and vote against the negatives you're witnessing with your feet, so to speak). there is that but also partly my fault for burning myself out. I remember in 1987 I took a break because literally all the wrestling I got on tv was bad. The WWF was just god awful, NWA got stale, AWA they lost all their talent, and world class was pitiful. Luckily the next year got a lot better. Except the WWF which was still painful to watch. Then in ‘90 I took another break because I was trying to watch like all 20 hours of tv the NWA was putting out so that completely burned me out. But this time I took such a long break that I missed guy’s entire careers. I’m just not motivated to try any of the modern products |
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 29, 2019 8:18:20 GMT
The problem with wrestling is that it forgot what made it interesting in the first place. Characters, good storylines, competent performers. Even back in the day when people thought it was real, the characters made the business. The real characters were mostly heels. Sure there were just big hulking guys who were heels but the really gun wrestlers were the characters. The "Russian Bear" Ivan Koloff(RIP BTW). Who else would have drawn enough heat to beat Bruno Sammartino? Nowadays is John Smith vs Jim Smith. Boring.
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