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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 18, 2019 23:51:57 GMT
 Amazingly enough, this movie has actually aged incredibly well. My initial response was Avengers 2.5 & a big fun party melee. Re-watches & further MCU development has graced this one with so much more depth & appeal. I'll say right away, this is my fav Black Panther film, & my fav Spider-Man (MCU) turn. You'll notice I've none of their movies on my favs 10 list to come. I don't need them. This is Black Panther at his best imo, peer to both Captain America & Winter Soldier; they're really a tremendous trio before the climactic trio of Cap, WS, & Iron Man. Spider-Man & Ant-Man both were used perfectly well here, honing their levity while not burdening them with dramatic expectation - they were literally called up to help in the spat, nothing more nothing less. 'Does anyone have any orange slices?' still makes me laugh aloud. RDJ is on his A game here, & I think it not being either an IM or Avengers centric film, he's got room to breathe & get after it better. He really does push this movie more than anyone else - without his involvement, this movie's nuanced epicness wouldn't exist. I'm a bit all over the map with this because it's awesome. My fav angle from re-watches is the final fight... the 3 of them, potential weapons of mass destruction if you will, literally fighting one another in the silo of a nuclear launch site. That's f'n brilliant. S.Stan has his best turn as Winter Solider... he's pretty underserved I think in this Infinity Saga, yet this movie he nails it. The dramatic assassination of Howard Stark remains quite dramatically effective, juxtaposed against some of the film's & saga's open levity. I've not CA:WS on my list because that movie while very good, doesn't align with my MCU tastes. I like Bucky in TFA & beyond, & Winter Solider himself I get my fix more than enough in this one. The airport melee still doesn't fully hit home, other than fun eye candy. The stakes are simply too low for it to match Infinity War & Endgame's battles. Still, lots of fun & everyone gets to throw their best at one another. As it is, the film is the apex of terrestrial MCU storytelling... IW & EG of course invites the cosmic angle, unique from this. I think it was smart not to have Thanos have a take on this installment, nor chuckling at their friendly spat in comparison. My MCU favs: 1. Avengers: Age of Ultron 2. Avengers: Infinity War 3. Captain America: Civil War 4. Avengers: Endgame 5. Captain America: The First Avenger 6. The Avengers 7. Thor: Ragnarok 8. Guardians of the Galaxy 9. Ant-Man 10.Iron Man
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Post by politicidal on Nov 19, 2019 1:08:51 GMT
8.5/10. It does a good job of setting up the conflict and introducing heavy-hitters like Spider-Man and Black Panther. Zemo's an interesting villain on paper and Bruhl isn't sleepwalking but he's ultimately not that interesting. I think in retrospect it was a wasted opportunity to have Ross be the guy pulling everyone's strings.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 19, 2019 8:54:29 GMT
The weakest of Cap's trilogy in my opinion. It's still great but kinda feel exhausted after watching it.
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Post by sostie on Nov 19, 2019 12:55:17 GMT
Really enjoyed the film. Features one of my favourite, and most surprising, moments in the whole MCU - Giant Man
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 19, 2019 14:34:52 GMT
I've always been on the fence about CW. It doesn't explore its themes enough, or give either side good reason for behaving the way they do. Cap's motivation is perfectly reasonable, considering what he went through in TWS, but why would Ant-Man join him when his motivation in his own film was staying out of prison to see his daughter? Tony's off the rails in this movie. He signs the accords because he feels guilty for collateral damage, yet the first thing he does is recruit a 15 year old kid to a superhero fight? None of the heroes point out that all of the situations Sec. Ross details would have been bigger disasters if they hadn't intervened. It wouldn't have won the argument, but it's worth mentioning instead of looking around the room at each other sheepishly, as if you were just caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Tony's even dumber in the final conflict. Zemo literally spells his plan out loud, (paraphrasing) 'I got you here so you would kill each other, now go for it.' And Tony obliges. You already know Bucky can't control his actions. What happened is shitty but it isn't his fault. I just don't buy that Tony is so mentally weak that he takes the bait there.
Then there's the stuff during the big brawl that makes no sense. The heroes insist that they're pulling their punches, but their actions say otherwise. Wanda is throwing cars at people. Cap drops a jet bridge onto Spidey's head with no idea if he can handle the weight. Vision shoots a laser beam that takes out Rhodey; imagine what that would've done if it hit Sam as intended?! Maybe this is nitpicky stuff, but it bugs me a little every time I watch the film.
The action is second to none, the airport fight is a blast despite its confused tone. The final showdown is incredibly dramatic and the tension is palpable as Cap loses his shit at the end. I just wish the setup sold the conflict better. Not to mention every scene with Black Panther is electric, I couldn't have imagined a better intro for the character. Honestly I think he's better in this film than in his own.
I disagree with the earlier assessment of Zemo, he's one of my favorite MCU villains. A normal person with a real motivation to hate these self-centered 'heroes.' Bruhl is understated in the role, he doesn't ham it up or try to steal scenes. That isn't the character. He's clever, he's cunning, he's empty inside. T'Challa confronting him outside the bunker at the end is one of my favorite scenes in all of the MCU. "I almost killed the wrong man." "Hardly an innocent one." Love the scene at the very end when he throws Everett Ross's shade right back at him. "How does it feel spending all that time, all that effort, to see it fail so spectacularly." "Did it?" I'm glad Zemo is still around and I hope to see Bruhl reprise the role when they inevitably use Zemo again in the future.
Highly rewatchable if deeply flawed in a few key areas, as outlined earlier. In the upper echelon of MCU flicks despite its problems, I couldn't go lower than 7/10.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 15, 2022 0:37:53 GMT
Bump
Whose side are you on?
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Feb 15, 2022 16:55:26 GMT
Bump
Whose side are you on?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 15, 2022 19:36:53 GMT
Amazingly enough, this movie has actually aged incredibly well. It was only three years old when you made this post!
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 15, 2022 20:38:23 GMT
I never understood why people didn't rate this movie higher. I now rate it all the way in my top tier.
It has arguably the best acting from any MCU movie.
It definitely has the most consistently good fight scenes all throughout the movie.
The most intimate third act (and fight scene) in any MCU movie.
Just the right amount of humor spread throughout the movie.
The most powerful scenes between Cap and Tony.
Our first and only massive superhero on superhero team battle in a movie (at least as far as I know).
It probably has the tightest pacing among any massive ensemble MCU movie other than the first Avengers.
It also marked Spiderman's entry into the MCU.
Probably the most impressive we've ever seen Vision (even though he was still underutilized).
The only superhero movie I could think of that doesn't have a big bad yet still works.
The best performances we've gotten from Tony Stark, T'Challa, Cap and possibly Bucky.
In fact now that I think about it, the only real complaint about it is the power inconsistency especially on Bucky's part.
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