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Post by njcardfan on Nov 19, 2019 19:24:53 GMT
Cheating accusations aside(believe me, there is nary a player that doesn't try to skirt the rules to gain an advantage. The halls of fame are filled with cheaters), how did he become what some consider the GOAT? He wasn't spectacular in college. In fact, he wasn't a starter until his junior year and his numbers are pedestrian at that. So, the question is, would he have been successful anywhere else or is he a system QB? Personally, I think 2 things here: either he's a product of a genius system or he sold his soul to the devil. There really isn't much middle ground. For the system, Matt Cassel went 11-5 but let's say Brady was drafted by Denver or Pittsburgh or some other team that became contenders at the time, would he be wearing 6 rings? Mind you, Belichick is not an offensive mind. He's been a defensive coach pretty much his entire career and his offensive coordinators have been pillaged by other teams to be head coaches so are they, and Brady able to stay on top for so long?
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Post by millar70 on Nov 19, 2019 19:57:39 GMT
Finally......
Somebody is talking about Tom Brady here. Why we discuss him so little here is a bit of a mystery to me.
He's had quite a career. 😒
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 19, 2019 20:07:24 GMT
Have you seen his college stats? He was spectacular in college. He set a Michigan record for most completions in a season his first full year as a starter. He had to battle with Drew Henson who was a local multi-sport legend in Michigan. It was all politics. When Brady was in the game, he excelled. They eventually had no choice but to make him the full time starter. Here's a quick recap of his college career. Here's a video to help illustrate it. It was the bullshit with Henson that made teams ask the same kind of questions you're asking here. There's no system. Cassel went 10-5 (he doesn't get credit for the game Brady started) in a system Brady went 18-1 in the previous year. Cassel also went to the Pro Bowl with Kansas City, people always forget that. Belichick was a failure as a head coach before Brady became his starter, and none of Brady's OC's (Weis, McDaniels, O'Brien) have had success anywhere else. Weis and McDaniels have been downright terrible without Brady, at least O'Brien has had mild success elsewhere (ironically, he never won a title with Brady). Look up the numbers. There is no system, Brady is the system. And as the resident 'Idiot Brady Fanboy' of this board, I'd like to send a note of thanks to Lloyd Carr, Drew Henson and every NFL GM that kept passing on Brady. They had no idea they were forging the hardest working quarterback in history, who would do everything in his power to become the GOAT, while never allowing anyone to call him the GOAT in his presence.
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 19, 2019 20:56:16 GMT
Have you seen his college stats? He was spectacular in college. He set a Michigan record for most completions in a season his first full year as a starter. He had to battle with Drew Henson who was a local multi-sport legend in Michigan. It was all politics. When Brady was in the game, he excelled. They eventually had no choice but to make him the full time starter. Here's a quick recap of his college career. Here's a video to help illustrate it. It was the bullshit with Henson that made teams ask the same kind of questions you're asking here. There's no system. Cassel went 10-5 (he doesn't get credit for the game Brady started) in a system Brady went 18-1 in the previous year. Cassel also went to the Pro Bowl with Kansas City, people always forget that. Belichick was a failure as a head coach before Brady became his starter, and none of Brady's OC's (Weis, McDaniels, O'Brien) have had success anywhere else. Weis and McDaniels have been downright terrible without Brady, at least O'Brien has had mild success elsewhere (ironically, he never won a title with Brady). Look up the numbers. There is no system, Brady is the system. And as the resident 'Idiot Brady Fanboy' of this board, I'd like to send a note of thanks to Lloyd Carr, Drew Henson and every NFL GM that kept passing on Brady. They had no idea they were forging the hardest working quarterback in history, who would do everything in his power to become the GOAT, while never allowing anyone to call him the GOAT in his presence. 1998: 200 of 323(61%), 2,427 yards, 14 TD, 10 INT 1999: 180 of 295(61%), 2,217 yards, 16 TD, 6 INT Hardly spectacular. Ryan Leaf had better numbers. Chris Wenkie had better numbers. Eli Manning had better numbers. Hell, Kyle Orton had better numbers. Oh, and I don't understand how Cassel doesn't get credit for the week 1 game as Brady went out in the first quarter with no score. And for the record, none of Bellichick's acolytes have had success anywhere else hence my belief that they sold their souls to the devil. And personally I do consider Brady to be the GOAT. Just trying to figure out how.
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Post by DrKrippen on Nov 19, 2019 21:03:32 GMT
Tom Brady with Michigan vs Ohio State (1998)
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Post by millar70 on Nov 19, 2019 21:04:53 GMT
Why is Tom Brady the best? I'll give you 6 reasons.
And that's it, really. We can analyze his abilities, his system, his coach, his technique. We can discuss cheating, his incredible luck, where he plays, his division, his rivals.....all of it.
It's real simple though, he's got 6 rings and no other quarterback in the Super Bowl era has done that. He's lost more Super Bowls than many Hall of Fame quarterbacks have even played in.
And those eyes.....
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 19, 2019 21:11:41 GMT
Why is Tom Brady the best? I'll give you 6 reasons. And that's it, really. We can analyze his abilities, his system, his coach, his technique. We can discuss cheating, his incredible luck, where he plays, his division, his rivals.....all of it. It's real simple though, he's got 6 rings and no other quarterback in the Super Bowl era has done that. He's lost more Super Bowls than many Hall of Fame quarterbacks have even played in. And those eyes..... Not to mention he was 2 very lucky catches from having 8 rings and an undefeated season. Even his loss to Philly I believe he set SB records.
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 19, 2019 21:13:20 GMT
Tom Brady with Michigan vs Ohio State (1998) One game doesn't a career make. If we're going by 1 game when Neil Lomax is the greatest college QB of all time because he once threw 7 TD passes in a quarter on his team's way to winning 105-0.
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Post by millar70 on Nov 19, 2019 21:19:24 GMT
Tom Brady with Michigan vs Ohio State (1998) I watched 3 minutes, and the only thing that I could learn from that was that Keith Jackson was a primo play by play guy. And I already knew that.....
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Nov 19, 2019 21:21:57 GMT
He was on a decent wicket when he came in as a starter. The offence was built around one of the best QBs in the league in Drew Bledsoe and the defence was strong. He didn't blow anyone away in his first season. He was a game manager who could complete a tough pass when he needed to. Then he got better in the system and grew into being a great QB. I don't think there's any mystery to it, and I think you'll find it's common to even the greatest of college QBs.
If you put him on the Browns in 2001, he probably gets sacked 4 or 5 times a game and is out of the league within a few years. At Pittsburgh or Denver he would have been very good for sure, if not great. Both had strong o-lines. There was a period there where any able bodied RB could rush 100+ yards behind that Denver line. And he certainly would have been a step up from Kordell Stewart, Jake Plummer etc.
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Post by bluerisk on Nov 19, 2019 21:22:54 GMT
Finally...... Somebody is talking about Tom Brady here. Why we discuss him so little here is a bit of a mystery to me. He's had quite a career. 😒 Yeah, we should praise him daily. Spielintelligenz - that is my reasoning.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 19, 2019 21:35:14 GMT
Have you seen his college stats? He was spectacular in college. He set a Michigan record for most completions in a season his first full year as a starter. He had to battle with Drew Henson who was a local multi-sport legend in Michigan. It was all politics. When Brady was in the game, he excelled. They eventually had no choice but to make him the full time starter. Here's a quick recap of his college career. Here's a video to help illustrate it. It was the bullshit with Henson that made teams ask the same kind of questions you're asking here. There's no system. Cassel went 10-5 (he doesn't get credit for the game Brady started) in a system Brady went 18-1 in the previous year. Cassel also went to the Pro Bowl with Kansas City, people always forget that. Belichick was a failure as a head coach before Brady became his starter, and none of Brady's OC's (Weis, McDaniels, O'Brien) have had success anywhere else. Weis and McDaniels have been downright terrible without Brady, at least O'Brien has had mild success elsewhere (ironically, he never won a title with Brady). Look up the numbers. There is no system, Brady is the system. And as the resident 'Idiot Brady Fanboy' of this board, I'd like to send a note of thanks to Lloyd Carr, Drew Henson and every NFL GM that kept passing on Brady. They had no idea they were forging the hardest working quarterback in history, who would do everything in his power to become the GOAT, while never allowing anyone to call him the GOAT in his presence. 1998: 200 of 323(61%), 2,427 yards, 14 TD, 10 INT 1999: 180 of 295(61%), 2,217 yards, 16 TD, 6 INT Hardly spectacular. Ryan Leaf had better numbers. Chris Wenkie had better numbers. Eli Manning had better numbers. Hell, Kyle Orton had better numbers. Oh, and I don't understand how Cassel doesn't get credit for the week 1 game as Brady went out in the first quarter with no score. And for the record, none of Bellichick's acolytes have had success anywhere else hence my belief that they sold their souls to the devil. And personally I do consider Brady to be the GOAT. Just trying to figure out how. From the link: Not bad for a guy who played less than two full seasons as a starter and was being jerked in and out of games for one of those seasons. Not to mention the comebacks. The guy has always known how to win. Cassel doesn't get the win because he didn't get the start, it's how QB stats work. I'd give him credit. Agreed, none of Belichick's coaching tree has had success elsewhere. Just like Belichick himself had no success as a head coach before Brady became his starter. It's almost like Brady is the reason for their success...
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Post by 尺ロㄈにモイ州凡几 on Nov 19, 2019 21:52:02 GMT
Brady ain’t shit. My ten year old son with cerebral palsy could play QB better than him.
The only reason people say Tom Brady is the GOAT is because he won six Super Bowls. If he only won three, people would be saying it’s still Joe Montana or Peyton Manning.
*mic drop*
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Post by millar70 on Nov 19, 2019 21:54:47 GMT
Brady ain’t shit. My ten year old son with cerebral palsy could play QB better than him. The only reason people say Tom Brady is the GOAT is because he won six Super Bowls. If he only won three, people would be saying it’s still Joe Montana or Peyton Manning. *mic drop* Yes, but he didn't win 3, he's won 6, and potentially more. *phone drop*
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Post by 尺ロㄈにモイ州凡几 on Nov 19, 2019 21:59:07 GMT
Brady ain’t shit. My ten year old son with cerebral palsy could play QB better than him. The only reason people say Tom Brady is the GOAT is because he won six Super Bowls. If he only won three, people would be saying it’s still Joe Montana or Peyton Manning. *mic drop* Yes, but he didn't win 3, he's won 6, and potentially more. *phone drop* He’s only won three in my book. Dude isn’t the GOAT. Peyton Manning is. He had class, never cheated, was the sole reason his teams were any good for like twenty years and he makes the best commercials. Nuff said. *computer drop*
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 19, 2019 21:59:17 GMT
Cassel went 10-5 (he doesn't get credit for the game Brady started) in a system Brady went 18-1 in the previous year. That suggests there's some kind of system. I get the argument that Brady is more crucial to the success than Belichick, but to discount either of them is asinine. They're both much better for having worked together.
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Post by millar70 on Nov 19, 2019 22:06:54 GMT
Yes, but he didn't win 3, he's won 6, and potentially more. *phone drop* He’s only won three in my book. Dude isn’t the GOAT. Peyton Manning is. He had class, never cheated, was the sole reason his teams were any good for like twenty years and he makes the best commercials. Nuff said. *computer drop* Didn't Peyton force a girl to sniff his balls or something like that when he was at Tennessee? He does make nice commercials though, so yeah that should solve the "who's the greatest quarterback" argument.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 19, 2019 22:38:29 GMT
Cassel went 10-5 (he doesn't get credit for the game Brady started) in a system Brady went 18-1 in the previous year. That suggests there's some kind of system. I get the argument that Brady is more crucial to the success than Belichick, but to discount either of them is asinine. They're both much better for having worked together. How does that suggest a system? Cassel inherited a team that had an all time offense the previous season and had an established culture of winning. With all that, he lost five more regular season games than Brady did the previous year. The Patriots went 5-11 the year before Brady became a starter, and they were 0-2 when he became a starter. He went 11-3 as a starter and went on to win the Super Bowl.
What system was Belichick running as he racked up a 41-57 record as a head coach pre-Brady?
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Post by 尺ロㄈにモイ州凡几 on Nov 19, 2019 22:41:07 GMT
He’s only won three in my book. Dude isn’t the GOAT. Peyton Manning is. He had class, never cheated, was the sole reason his teams were any good for like twenty years and he makes the best commercials. Nuff said. *computer drop* Didn't Peyton force a girl to sniff his balls or something like that when he was at Tennessee? He does make nice commercials though, so yeah that should solve the "who's the greatest quarterback" argument. Yeah but that was during college and forcing a woman to sniff your balls doesn’t really do anything to affect one’s on field performance, so it doesn’t count. Or at least I’m not going to count it. He never deflated footballs or spied on another team. And he’s not a system QB.
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Post by millar70 on Nov 19, 2019 22:49:05 GMT
Didn't Peyton force a girl to sniff his balls or something like that when he was at Tennessee? He does make nice commercials though, so yeah that should solve the "who's the greatest quarterback" argument. Yeah but that was during college and forcing a woman to sniff your balls doesn’t really do anything to affect one’s on field performance, so it doesn’t count. Or at least I’m not going to count it. He never deflated footballs or spied on another team. And he’s not a system QB. How does having class and making funny commercials have anything to do with on-field performance? Because that's what you brought up when you said Peyton was better than Brady.
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