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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 19:00:48 GMT
2019's Doom Patrol and Watchmen are the most brilliant, mature, intense and fascinating superhero series ever produced for the small screen (TV). They are just two big masterpieces and everyone loving superheroes should watch it.
Doom Patrol is visionary, surreal, creepy, powerful, fascinating, character-driven show with a solid PLOT and a true character-arc. Think about "Legion" with more action, well-written story and genuine drama. Everything is absolutely top notch, from the actors to the special effects.
Now, don't get me wrong. Marvel is PLENTY of good characters to make good and GROWN UP TV series. So why don't they even try? I'm truly puzzled.
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 19:28:43 GMT
2019's Doom Patrol and Watchmen are the most brilliant, mature, intense and fascinating superhero series ever produced for the small screen (TV). They are just two big masterpieces and everyone loving superheroes should watch it. Doom Patrol is visionary, surreal, creepy, powerful, fascinating, character-driven show with a solid PLOT and a true character-arc. Think about "Legion" with more action, well-written story and genuine drama. Everything is absolutely top notch, from the actors to the special effects. Now, don't get me wrong. Marvel is PLENTY of good characters to make good and GROWN UP TV series. So why don't they even try? I'm truly puzzled. So Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Legion etc don't count!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 19:33:41 GMT
Marvel definitely did. The jury's still out on Iron Fist but Netflix made original shows of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. All within the last few years. Daredevil was a revelation. They got Vincent D'onofrio to play Wilson Fisk and I could swear his threat level is up there with Thanos as a top tier MCU villain.
If you're vouching for Doom Patrol, I believe you. It's on regular TV here so I don't think much of what it's allowed to get away with if it tried. Watchmen I definitely intend to watch. There's only so many hours in a day and I just watched the first episode of Chernobyl last night. That was pretty rad.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 19:36:27 GMT
2019's Doom Patrol and Watchmen are the most brilliant, mature, intense and fascinating superhero series ever produced for the small screen (TV). They are just two big masterpieces and everyone loving superheroes should watch it. Doom Patrol is visionary, surreal, creepy, powerful, fascinating, character-driven show with a solid PLOT and a true character-arc. Think about "Legion" with more action, well-written story and genuine drama. Everything is absolutely top notch, from the actors to the special effects. Now, don't get me wrong. Marvel is PLENTY of good characters to make good and GROWN UP TV series. So why don't they even try? I'm truly puzzled. So Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Legion etc don't count! Legion is Fox X-Men multiuniverse. Season 1 was good. Punisher is great. But it's a conventional vigilante TV series anyway. Daredevil and JJ are great, but Daredevil could have been better. I feel like Season 2 and 3 did not fully express its potential. Watchmen and especially Doom Patrol are something more, very different.
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 19:36:54 GMT
Marvel/Disney have so far made the more "grown up series" than DC/Warners
DC/Warners have made more lighter TV shows than Marvel/Disney
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 19:39:44 GMT
Marvel
If you're vouching for Doom Patrol, I believe you. It's on regular TV here so I don't think much of what it's allowed to get away with if it tried. Watchmen I definitely intend to watch. There's only so many hours in a day and I just watched the first episode of Chernobyl last night. That was pretty rad.
Trust me, Watchmen and - even more - Doom Patrol are two superhero series never seen before in history. I just hope all users in this forum will watch them, because they are two terrific masterpieces, especially DP. I would kill to get an X-Men TV series (the team, not spin-off characters) as good as DP.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 19:41:09 GMT
Marvel/Disney have so far made the more "grown up series" than DC/Warners DC/Warners have made more lighter TV shows than Marvel/Disney That's true and wrong at the very same time. Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Agents of SHIELD are popcorn fun superhero stuff. I enjoyed all of them.
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 19:41:45 GMT
So Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Legion etc don't count! Legion is Fox X-Men multiuniverse. Season 1 was good. Produced by Marvel Television....part of Disney So you don't think they are as good as Doom Patrol or Watchmen. That's your opinion. But you are saying they don't make "grown up" shows. Are you saying they are not?
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 19:44:16 GMT
Marvel/Disney have so far made the more "grown up series" than DC/Warners DC/Warners have made more lighter TV shows than Marvel/Disney That's true and wrong at the very same time. Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Agents of SHIELD are popcorn fun superhero stuff. I enjoyed all of them. Luke Cage popcorn fun!!! Even Marvel's "kiddiest" show, Runaways, is not as bad as the Arrowverse, Krypton and Black Lightning. The only Marvel show I can think of as low as those is Inhumans
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 19:47:10 GMT
Marvel
If you're vouching for Doom Patrol, I believe you. It's on regular TV here so I don't think much of what it's allowed to get away with if it tried. Watchmen I definitely intend to watch. There's only so many hours in a day and I just watched the first episode of Chernobyl last night. That was pretty rad.
Trust me, Watchmen and - even more - Doom Patrol are two superhero series never seen before in history. I just hope all users in this forum will watch them, because they are two terrific masterpieces, especially DP. Only dipped into both and neither I found as compelling as The Boys or Misfits
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 22, 2019 19:53:01 GMT
Why would they bother?
These have very limited appeal.
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 19:55:56 GMT
just watched the first episode of Chernobyl last night. That was pretty rad.
More than rad. Stunning TV. And about real heroes.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 20:01:23 GMT
Why would they bother? These have very limited appeal. Like "Joker"? LMAO. I mean, people's taste has changed. They are on for something deeper and more visionary.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 20:03:48 GMT
That's true and wrong at the very same time. Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Agents of SHIELD are popcorn fun superhero stuff. I enjoyed all of them. Luke Cage popcorn fun!!! Even Marvel's "kiddiest" show, Runaways, is not as bad as the Arrowverse, Krypton and Black Lightning. The only Marvel show I can think of as low as those is Inhumans The first two seasons of ARROW were incredible. KRYPTON is great. Runaways is average. I mean, entertaining, but the production values are very low, sorry. Luke Cage is a crime drama/adventure --- at best. It's not "existential" superhero drama like Watchmen and - above all - Doom Patrol.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 22, 2019 20:12:11 GMT
Why would they bother? These have very limited appeal. Like "Joker"? LMAO. I mean, people's taste has changed. They are on for something deeper and more visionary. Disney is after the big bucks. Endgame has grossed almost 3 times as much as Joker.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 20:13:29 GMT
just watched the first episode of Chernobyl last night. That was pretty rad.
More than rad. Stunning TV. And about real heroes. Agreed. Just astounding. Don't even recall blinking.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 20:15:11 GMT
Like "Joker"? LMAO. I mean, people's taste has changed. They are on for something deeper and more visionary. Disney is after the big bucks. Endgame has grossed almost 3 times as much as Joker. But JOKER was more profitable and... it was a social/pop phenomenon.
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 20:16:32 GMT
Luke Cage popcorn fun!!! Even Marvel's "kiddiest" show, Runaways, is not as bad as the Arrowverse, Krypton and Black Lightning. The only Marvel show I can think of as low as those is Inhumans The first two seasons of ARROW were incredible. KRYPTON is great. Runaways is average. I mean, entertaining, but the production values are very low, sorry. Luke Cage is a crime drama/adventure --- at best. It's not "existential" superhero drama like Watchmen and - above all - Doom Patrol. So your complaint is that Marvel are not making "existential" TV shows! Like Daredevil
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 22, 2019 20:18:22 GMT
Disney is after the big bucks. Endgame has grossed almost 3 times as much as Joker. But JOKER was more profitable and... it was a social/pop phenomenon. I'm not really arguing with you. It's pretty common knowledge that Disney plays it safe, in order to make as much money as possible. So it's very unlikely they would venture into "dark TV shows"
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 20:18:41 GMT
Disney is after the big bucks. Endgame has grossed almost 3 times as much as Joker. But JOKER was more profitable and... it was a social/pop phenomenon. In relation to budget....but actual profit...Endgame $2bn+, Joker under $1bn
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