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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 22, 2019 20:20:58 GMT
So why don't they even try? I'm truly puzzled. There was a Commonwealth Club show where a Pixar executive was asked why movies suck and he said the motto of a studio these days (this was ten years ago) was that movies are made like cookies--instead of making specialty cookies that appeal to different consumers, they make one cookie that is watered down and bland but has a little something for everyone. One size fits all. Disney is more committed to this than the other companies. I think has more to do with message than money. They are most concerned about getting young people influenced by their messages. It's about bombarding them with the same over and over and hoping it will effectively brainwash (I suspect it doesn't work).
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2019 20:43:46 GMT
So far the first episode of Mandalorian is way more impressive than the first episodes of both Watchmen and Doom Patrol. Just saying.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2019 20:48:11 GMT
Why would they bother? These have very limited appeal. Like "Joker"? LMAO. I mean, people's taste has changed. They are on for something deeper and more visionary. When DC has created 20+ successful movies using the Joker's formula, let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 20:49:29 GMT
So far the first episode of Mandalorian is way more impressive than the first episodes of both Watchmen and Doom Patrol. Just saying.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 20:55:54 GMT
So why don't they even try? I'm truly puzzled. There was a Commonwealth Club show where a Pixar executive was asked why movies suck and he said the motto of a studio these days (this was ten years ago) was that movies are made like cookies--instead of making specialty cookies that appeal to different consumers, they make one cookie that is watered down and bland but has a little something for everyone. One size fits all. Disney is more committed to this than the other companies. I think has more to do with message than money. They are most concerned about getting young people influenced by their messages. It's about bombarding them with the same over and over and hoping it will effectively brainwash (I suspect it doesn't work).
Yeah. Business strategy.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 20:56:35 GMT
So far the first episode of Mandalorian is way more impressive than the first episodes of both Watchmen and Doom Patrol. Just saying. LOL, man, what are you smoking?
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 22, 2019 21:18:16 GMT
Like "Joker"? LMAO. I mean, people's taste has changed. They are on for something deeper and more visionary. When DC has created 20+ successful movies using the Joker's formula, let me know. LMAO, it's not fast food. It's art. When Disney will make a 50 million dollars movie grossing more than 1 billion and becoming a pop phenomenon and cultural issue all around the world, call me.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2019 21:28:38 GMT
So far the first episode of Mandalorian is way more impressive than the first episodes of both Watchmen and Doom Patrol. Just saying. LOL, man, what are you smoking? Why, have you even watched the Mandalorian yet? Did you give in to your guilty pleasure and subscribe to Disney+ after all?
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 22:00:05 GMT
When DC has created 20+ successful movies using the Joker's formula, let me know. LMAO, it's not fast food. It's art. When Disney will make a 50 million dollars movie grossing more than 1 billion and becoming a pop phenomenon and cultural issue all around the world, call me. Cut it with your "art" bullshit". All cinema is art. Define it or quit All film studios are in the business for one reason and one reason only. To make money The reason to make Joker....to make money. Why else would Warners/DC only cough up only 50% of the budget...to increase their profit margin on a film they no way thought would make the money it did. And regardless of how much something cost to make, if you think Marvel has not created a pop culture phenomenon you have been living in a hole for 10 years.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 22, 2019 22:16:19 GMT
I highly doubt Doom Patrol is better than Legion.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 22, 2019 22:37:31 GMT
When DC has created 20+ successful movies using the Joker's formula, let me know. LMAO, it's not fast food. It's art. When Disney will make a 50 million dollars movie grossing more than 1 billion and becoming a pop phenomenon and cultural issue all around the world, call me. Guess my point sailed right over your head huh? No, the MCU doesn't make movies as cheap as The Joker, but the fact that they can make multiple movies that are extremely successful with the populace indicates that peole's "tastes" love the MCU flavor, whereas The Joker seems more like a one-off novelty.
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Post by dazz on Nov 22, 2019 22:41:06 GMT
sostie and Martin Brundle - Martinfly what you are both calling profit isn't profit, profit isn't based on box office divided by budget or box office minus budget, profit is box office minus theatre split, minus budget, minus marketing.
Supper you may want to as yourself why up until Joker no one was making news about how The Mask was the most profitable cbm of all time, because that's just a clickbait title used to draw attention to something interesting but not the same as the title suggest, Joker isn't the most profitable cbm of all time, its just got the biggest return on investment or multiplier of any CBM.
Even if Joker reaches $1.1b at it's current split between domestic & international it wouldn't make more than $500m for the studio, let alone in profit, Endgame however will likely be closer to $650m in profit, or like $1.2b for the studios haul from the tickets just based on the box office numbers, Endgame is by far and away the most profitable CBM ever in terms of actual dollars, in terms of ROI that goes to Joker.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 22, 2019 22:47:11 GMT
2019's Doom Patrol and Watchmen are the most brilliant, mature, intense and fascinating superhero series ever produced for the small screen (TV). They are just two big masterpieces and everyone loving superheroes should watch it. Doom Patrol is visionary, surreal, creepy, powerful, fascinating, character-driven show with a solid PLOT and a true character-arc. Think about "Legion" with more action, well-written story and genuine drama. Everything is absolutely top notch, from the actors to the special effects. Now, don't get me wrong. Marvel is PLENTY of good characters to make good and GROWN UP TV series. So why don't they even try? I'm truly puzzled. So Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Legion etc don't count! I guess not?
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Post by dazz on Nov 22, 2019 22:54:57 GMT
So far the first episode of Mandalorian is way more impressive than the first episodes of both Watchmen and Doom Patrol. Just saying. LOL, man, what are you smoking? You do get how your taste are not clad iron law right? art is subjective as is humour, see how he didn't define why Mandalorian was more impressive? means there is nothing for you to criticise because he isn't saying a tangible metric is the reason why, just that to him the overall product is more impressive, behaviour like you just showed exposes a petty and foolishness of your good self, remember other people are allowed to like what they like, just because they dislike something you like or vice versa doesn't make them wrong.
Also given the at time lunacy you come out with which are often completely opposite to actual provable facts you are the last one who should be questioning what mind altering substance someone has inhaled.
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Post by sostie on Nov 22, 2019 23:24:36 GMT
sostie and Martin Brundle - Martinfly what you are both calling profit isn't profit, profit isn't based on box office divided by budget or box office minus budget, profit is box office minus theatre split, minus budget, minus marketing.
I'm aware of that but am going by the figures available....but is more accurate than the whole BO divided by budget. Takings - Layout/expenses = profit
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 23, 2019 1:03:12 GMT
I highly doubt Doom Patrol is better than Legion. It is vastly better than Legion, and mind you Legion Season 1 was fantastic. It all went downhill with Season 2.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 23, 2019 1:06:49 GMT
LOL, man, what are you smoking? You do get how your taste are not clad iron law right? art is subjective as is humour, see how he didn't define why Mandalorian was more impressive? means there is nothing for you to criticise because he isn't saying a tangible metric is the reason why, just that to him the overall product is more impressive, behaviour like you just showed exposes a petty and foolishness of your good self, remember other people are allowed to like what they like, just because they dislike something you like or vice versa doesn't make them wrong.
Also given the at time lunacy you come out with which are often completely opposite to actual provable facts you are the last one who should be questioning what mind altering substance someone has inhaled.
I'm 100% sober, and there's no madness in my words. FACTS are FACTS and LOGIC is LOGIC. Marvel has not YET produced any show comparable to the production values, the depth and the visionary quality of DOOM PATROL. 'Watchmen' is less visionary, but it is an outstanding work nonetheless. I've not watched the MANDALORIAN, I've just seen the trailer, and it seems to me a good but conventional sci-fi production.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 23, 2019 1:10:16 GMT
HOWEVER:
Who watched all 15 episodes of DOOM PATROL here?
I just wish the X-Men will be treated in a similar manner, in the future to come --- in terms of character development and story-arc, I'm not talking about the surreal style.
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Post by dazz on Nov 23, 2019 2:26:30 GMT
You do get how your taste are not clad iron law right? art is subjective as is humour, see how he didn't define why Mandalorian was more impressive? means there is nothing for you to criticise because he isn't saying a tangible metric is the reason why, just that to him the overall product is more impressive, behaviour like you just showed exposes a petty and foolishness of your good self, remember other people are allowed to like what they like, just because they dislike something you like or vice versa doesn't make them wrong.
Also given the at time lunacy you come out with which are often completely opposite to actual provable facts you are the last one who should be questioning what mind altering substance someone has inhaled.
I'm 100% sober, and there's no madness in my words. FACTS are FACTS and LOGIC is LOGIC. Marvel has not YET produced any show comparable to the production values, the depth and the visionary quality of DOOM PATROL. 'Watchmen' is less visionary, but it is an outstanding work nonetheless. I've not watched the MANDALORIAN, I've just seen the trailer, and it seems to me a good but conventional sci-fi production. No you have flat out lied and turned a blind eye towards things that goes against what you want to believe, to the point you pick and choose elements from the same source to believe, if it backs up your opinion it's valid, if it does not it's untrustworthy, which clearly shows a level of bias and ignorance, also saying there is no madness in your words after mocking someone for having a different opinion to yourself which isn't even based in anything reasonable, as you said you haven't even watched any episodes of the Mandalorian just seen the trailer, which means you cannot really judge it, it's far from the conventional sci-fi show.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 23, 2019 2:58:17 GMT
You do get how your taste are not clad iron law right? art is subjective as is humour, see how he didn't define why Mandalorian was more impressive? means there is nothing for you to criticise because he isn't saying a tangible metric is the reason why, just that to him the overall product is more impressive, behaviour like you just showed exposes a petty and foolishness of your good self, remember other people are allowed to like what they like, just because they dislike something you like or vice versa doesn't make them wrong.
Also given the at time lunacy you come out with which are often completely opposite to actual provable facts you are the last one who should be questioning what mind altering substance someone has inhaled.
I'm 100% sober, and there's no madness in my words. FACTS are FACTS and LOGIC is LOGIC. Marvel has not YET produced any show comparable to the production values, the depth and the visionary quality of DOOM PATROL. 'Watchmen' is less visionary, but it is an outstanding work nonetheless. I've not watched the MANDALORIAN, I've just seen the trailer, and it seems to me a good but conventional sci-fi production. Ah, so you admit that you are biasely judging against a show that you have yet to watch. Well, why should we listen to anything you say then?
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