Post by stargazer1682 on Nov 25, 2019 6:38:22 GMT
I gotta admit, the title of this episode feels prescient - I swore I wasn't going to watch this show and here I am doing episode 2, even if albeit like 5 or 6 weeks later. So here we go down the rabbit hole....
Okay, so it's been 15 years since the accident when Kate was a kid and the accident occurred - which is good to know, since when watching the first episode I commented about how Kate getting kicked out of the military for being gay would need to have occurred more than at least 8 years ago, maybe 9; and when someone commented about something being 15 years ago, I thought they were maybe saying it was when she was at the military academy, but apparently it was the accident. I suppose it's plausible she tried to go into the military 5 or 6 years later, and I'm not trying to belittle legitimate issues gay people who served legitimately had until way too recently; plus I know that this was Kate's backstory in the comics, but we're getting to the point where the timeline starts to get a little tight.
It's also an interesting insight into Bruce's career as Batman in Arrowverse's Earth 1; because he was Batman 15 years ago and still active until, what did they say previously, until 3 years ago? So he was Batman for at least 12 years, possibly more; meaning he would have been Batman about two years at least before the Queen's gambit went down - if not longer, depending on how long he had been Batman when the accident happened.
Although a confusing thing about how they're going about this at the moment is where this falls in with the rest of the Arrowverse timeline; since Elseworlds showed Kate already active as Batwoman, with the "red" hair, which she doesn't have yet. I know she gets it fairly soon(ish), but that would, at best, still put the show a year behind when everything else in the Arrowverse is taking place; because whichever upcoming episode marks when she adds the hair to the costume, that would be ostensibly be the earliest that the crossover with Flash and Arrow could have happened......
Does a private security firm get to make the "dead or alive" judgement call with people they're targeting? For that matter, how do they have the authority target people to even take them alive?
(Batwoman gets shot, looks at bulletproof armor)
"Cool."
I mean..... I kind of get it, but.... you were in a military academy, trying to become an officer. It's not clear how far you got, and obviously I'm pretty sure they don't actually shoot you to demonstrate the effectiveness of your armor, but you also did a lot of intensive forms of training to try and get into the Crows; would this really be the thing that impresses you?
I kind of prefer the look of her costume without the later modifications - the hair or the red emblem. The emblem will probably be fine, but red hair never looks right, in Elseworlds or in any promo photos I've seen.
See, the writers want us to think Alice is the Big Bad, but clearly Kate's arch nemesis is vocal inflection.
What was the point of Kate trying to suggest her family that Alice is Beth? The evidence she has is arguably thin. She even said it herself in the previous scene that her dad wouldn't believe it. And how much do the other three know about what went down? Did I miss a scene where any of them figured out she was Batwoman? She just casually mentions getting Alice's knife and says that Alice was after her, but for anyone who doesn't know that Kate put on a bat-suit, she had nothing to do with whats-her-name's rescue. I don't actually remember how or when Kate got the knife from her, but I thought it was during the final confrontation when Kate was in the bat-suit; maybe I'm wrong, but even if she wasn't, she notes that she has Alice's knife so casually, like it's no big deal.
Why is there any qualms about running any possible DNA from the knife? Whether Alice is Beth or not, surely having something on file has some type of forensic value, wouldn't it? And if there's even a slim chance she is Beth, all the more reason to find out - not because it should change how they respond to her as a threat or in bringing her to justice, but just for the sake of knowing. Sure, you would hope your sister/daughter didn't end up a psychotic lunatic, but eliminate all doubt. If she's not, you're no worse off, can maybe breath a sigh of relief; and if she is, maybe it does change how you go about bringing her to justice, but as long as it doesn't allow others to be needlessly hurt, there's nothing wrong with that.
"You have something of Alice's"
And conveniently, it's right here in a bag for you, rather than somewhere else entirely, which odds would normally have favored.
Also, just any old shady looking van can pull up into the parking garage of the elite private security firm protecting Gotham; because it wouldn't be a CW show if a protagonist's base was well guarded.
"I have a clear shot!"
He said loudly enough for the target to hear him; before a small fucking army of sharpshooters moved into a shittier position where there was a whole other person in the line of site between them and the intended fucking target.....
Should Kate have really been upset that....whatever her name is, told Kate's dad where to find Kate and Alice; or that they arrested Alice? What sort of endgame did she envision after getting the DNA test? For that matter, what was the best case scenario if she'd let Alice go free while running said sample and the inevitable search to track her down again afterwards? Hope that she wouldn't kill more people in the interim?
And why did she bother telling anyone she was going to meet her, let alone a Crow's agent?
So she feared her step-sister was in danger, so first she put on the bat-suit...sure, makes about as much sense as the days when Oliver first had to go to the trouble of applying his mascara before going out.....
I'm not surprised Kate jumped in after Alice and is using the re-breather - the whole time Lucas was showing her the gadgets I thought, "so she's going to end up using at least one of these by the end of the episode; because that's the only reason these shows ever bother pointing stuff out." - and sure shit, here we are. But it also brings me back to another thought I couldn't help wonder, which is, why the hell didn't Batman dive into the water the first time to try and rescue Beth? I mean, I suppose he could have and just couldn't find her for some reason, but I don't think there's been any suggestion of that; and given Alice's own recount, for whatever it's worth, it seems like there'd at least have been some window of opportunity.
But the plot's gotta happen somehow, I guess....
Okay, fuck you guys; Mythbusters proved that bullets lose pretty much all moment when they hit a good size body of water; and even if they didn't, how the fuck would that have caused anything to exploding under-fucking-water???
Oh, there was an explosion and Batman wasn't there - fuck you, annoying announcer. Ignoring the fact that a "Bat" was there and the general public just didn't know; two episodes in and I'm sick of this bullshit that somehow anyone who dons a cowl is somehow responsible for every fucking thing that goes on in the city like they're meant to be some sort of omnipresent deity or something. Whether it's Batman, Batwoman or fucking Santa Clause, no one can be everywhere or do everything and it's some stupid ass bullshit to have them double down on this asinine, ungrateful mentality, pinning their hopes and dream to one person and blaming them when something goes wrong.
And wait just a fucking second; the announcer makes a quip referring to Robin; which means that at leas one of the Robins must actually exist in this continuity; so where the fuck is he?
Why is the report that Alice is "in the wind" following the explosion that send her police vehicle into the water? By all rights she should have been dead and would have been if Kate hadn't jumped in to rescue her. Even in lieu of a body, would the authorities to conclude with such certainty that she's "in the wind," suggesting she definitively escaped and is again on the loose? At the very least there should be some doubt as to whether Alice is still alive; and that people should be on the look-out to be safe, while acknowledging the possibility that she's dead.
And who blew up the van that nearly killed Alice? Because that doesn't seem like much of an escape plan, when it requires being saved by the new vigilante who's only been around for a day or two.
Okay, so it's been 15 years since the accident when Kate was a kid and the accident occurred - which is good to know, since when watching the first episode I commented about how Kate getting kicked out of the military for being gay would need to have occurred more than at least 8 years ago, maybe 9; and when someone commented about something being 15 years ago, I thought they were maybe saying it was when she was at the military academy, but apparently it was the accident. I suppose it's plausible she tried to go into the military 5 or 6 years later, and I'm not trying to belittle legitimate issues gay people who served legitimately had until way too recently; plus I know that this was Kate's backstory in the comics, but we're getting to the point where the timeline starts to get a little tight.
It's also an interesting insight into Bruce's career as Batman in Arrowverse's Earth 1; because he was Batman 15 years ago and still active until, what did they say previously, until 3 years ago? So he was Batman for at least 12 years, possibly more; meaning he would have been Batman about two years at least before the Queen's gambit went down - if not longer, depending on how long he had been Batman when the accident happened.
Although a confusing thing about how they're going about this at the moment is where this falls in with the rest of the Arrowverse timeline; since Elseworlds showed Kate already active as Batwoman, with the "red" hair, which she doesn't have yet. I know she gets it fairly soon(ish), but that would, at best, still put the show a year behind when everything else in the Arrowverse is taking place; because whichever upcoming episode marks when she adds the hair to the costume, that would be ostensibly be the earliest that the crossover with Flash and Arrow could have happened......
Does a private security firm get to make the "dead or alive" judgement call with people they're targeting? For that matter, how do they have the authority target people to even take them alive?
(Batwoman gets shot, looks at bulletproof armor)
"Cool."
I mean..... I kind of get it, but.... you were in a military academy, trying to become an officer. It's not clear how far you got, and obviously I'm pretty sure they don't actually shoot you to demonstrate the effectiveness of your armor, but you also did a lot of intensive forms of training to try and get into the Crows; would this really be the thing that impresses you?
I kind of prefer the look of her costume without the later modifications - the hair or the red emblem. The emblem will probably be fine, but red hair never looks right, in Elseworlds or in any promo photos I've seen.
See, the writers want us to think Alice is the Big Bad, but clearly Kate's arch nemesis is vocal inflection.
What was the point of Kate trying to suggest her family that Alice is Beth? The evidence she has is arguably thin. She even said it herself in the previous scene that her dad wouldn't believe it. And how much do the other three know about what went down? Did I miss a scene where any of them figured out she was Batwoman? She just casually mentions getting Alice's knife and says that Alice was after her, but for anyone who doesn't know that Kate put on a bat-suit, she had nothing to do with whats-her-name's rescue. I don't actually remember how or when Kate got the knife from her, but I thought it was during the final confrontation when Kate was in the bat-suit; maybe I'm wrong, but even if she wasn't, she notes that she has Alice's knife so casually, like it's no big deal.
Why is there any qualms about running any possible DNA from the knife? Whether Alice is Beth or not, surely having something on file has some type of forensic value, wouldn't it? And if there's even a slim chance she is Beth, all the more reason to find out - not because it should change how they respond to her as a threat or in bringing her to justice, but just for the sake of knowing. Sure, you would hope your sister/daughter didn't end up a psychotic lunatic, but eliminate all doubt. If she's not, you're no worse off, can maybe breath a sigh of relief; and if she is, maybe it does change how you go about bringing her to justice, but as long as it doesn't allow others to be needlessly hurt, there's nothing wrong with that.
"You have something of Alice's"
And conveniently, it's right here in a bag for you, rather than somewhere else entirely, which odds would normally have favored.
Also, just any old shady looking van can pull up into the parking garage of the elite private security firm protecting Gotham; because it wouldn't be a CW show if a protagonist's base was well guarded.
"I have a clear shot!"
He said loudly enough for the target to hear him; before a small fucking army of sharpshooters moved into a shittier position where there was a whole other person in the line of site between them and the intended fucking target.....
Should Kate have really been upset that....whatever her name is, told Kate's dad where to find Kate and Alice; or that they arrested Alice? What sort of endgame did she envision after getting the DNA test? For that matter, what was the best case scenario if she'd let Alice go free while running said sample and the inevitable search to track her down again afterwards? Hope that she wouldn't kill more people in the interim?
And why did she bother telling anyone she was going to meet her, let alone a Crow's agent?
So she feared her step-sister was in danger, so first she put on the bat-suit...sure, makes about as much sense as the days when Oliver first had to go to the trouble of applying his mascara before going out.....
I'm not surprised Kate jumped in after Alice and is using the re-breather - the whole time Lucas was showing her the gadgets I thought, "so she's going to end up using at least one of these by the end of the episode; because that's the only reason these shows ever bother pointing stuff out." - and sure shit, here we are. But it also brings me back to another thought I couldn't help wonder, which is, why the hell didn't Batman dive into the water the first time to try and rescue Beth? I mean, I suppose he could have and just couldn't find her for some reason, but I don't think there's been any suggestion of that; and given Alice's own recount, for whatever it's worth, it seems like there'd at least have been some window of opportunity.
But the plot's gotta happen somehow, I guess....
Okay, fuck you guys; Mythbusters proved that bullets lose pretty much all moment when they hit a good size body of water; and even if they didn't, how the fuck would that have caused anything to exploding under-fucking-water???
Oh, there was an explosion and Batman wasn't there - fuck you, annoying announcer. Ignoring the fact that a "Bat" was there and the general public just didn't know; two episodes in and I'm sick of this bullshit that somehow anyone who dons a cowl is somehow responsible for every fucking thing that goes on in the city like they're meant to be some sort of omnipresent deity or something. Whether it's Batman, Batwoman or fucking Santa Clause, no one can be everywhere or do everything and it's some stupid ass bullshit to have them double down on this asinine, ungrateful mentality, pinning their hopes and dream to one person and blaming them when something goes wrong.
And wait just a fucking second; the announcer makes a quip referring to Robin; which means that at leas one of the Robins must actually exist in this continuity; so where the fuck is he?
Why is the report that Alice is "in the wind" following the explosion that send her police vehicle into the water? By all rights she should have been dead and would have been if Kate hadn't jumped in to rescue her. Even in lieu of a body, would the authorities to conclude with such certainty that she's "in the wind," suggesting she definitively escaped and is again on the loose? At the very least there should be some doubt as to whether Alice is still alive; and that people should be on the look-out to be safe, while acknowledging the possibility that she's dead.
And who blew up the van that nearly killed Alice? Because that doesn't seem like much of an escape plan, when it requires being saved by the new vigilante who's only been around for a day or two.
