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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 13:06:24 GMT
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Post by onethreetwo on Nov 28, 2019 13:08:48 GMT
Josh Trank: the hero we need.
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Post by Wakanda on Nov 28, 2019 13:44:04 GMT
Lol
Trank is so funny on twitter.
And... sarcasm is a concept lost on people.
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2019 17:15:19 GMT
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Post by bud47 on Nov 28, 2019 18:46:43 GMT
Probably flipping burgers now since his career is over. Welcome back Charzino! Long time no troll!
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 18:53:35 GMT
Wat did you expect. MCU fanatics are zealots who worship feige and will attack anyone who disagrees with their precious mcu.
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2019 19:10:05 GMT
Wat did you expect. MCU fanatics are zealots who worship feige and will attack anyone who disagrees with their precious mcu. Well why are you specifying MCU? From the comments I saw, he just said Marvel. "The first 5 minutes have more humanity and truth and cinematic intrigue than the running length of every single Marvel movie combined... Sorry, facts... PS: Not sorry." He didn't say anything about just the MCU did he?
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 19:27:24 GMT
Wat did you expect. MCU fanatics are zealots who worship feige and will attack anyone who disagrees with their precious mcu. Well why are you specifying MCU? From the comments I saw, he just said Marvel. "The first 5 minutes have more humanity and truth and cinematic intrigue than the running length of every single Marvel movie combined... Sorry, facts... PS: Not sorry." He didn't say anything about just the MCU did he? No he is talking about MCU as he says in one of his replies. This has been a misconception recently from people saying scorsese didnt mean just MCU movies he meant all comic book movies. NOPE, its clear that when people say ''marvel movies are bad for cinema and are theme park movies'' its 100% MCU they are talkng about.
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2019 19:31:13 GMT
It's kinda strange that all these other Marvel movies would be considered so irrelevant that Marvel = MCU now.
Even amongst Marvel as a whole, MCU movies are better than other non MCU Marvel movies.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 28, 2019 19:35:42 GMT
It's kinda strange that all these other Marvel movies would be considered so irrelevant that Marvel = MCU now. Even amongst Marvel as a whole, MCU movies are better than other non MCU Marvel movies. No its not irrelevant. These people are making a clear distinction that MCU movies and non-mcu movies are different. Non-mcu movies are more artistic and uphold the traditions of cinema. Josh trank would never have signed on to an MCU movie if he's had this opinion for a long time but he signed onto Fox because he knows Fox makes a better class of movies in the comic genre. Too bad the execs screwed him over. No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 19:44:38 GMT
It's kinda strange that all these other Marvel movies would be considered so irrelevant that Marvel = MCU now. Even amongst Marvel as a whole, MCU movies are better than other non MCU Marvel movies. No its not irrelevant. These people are making a clear distinction that MCU movies and non-mcu movies are different. Non-mcu movies are more artistic and uphold the traditions of cinema. Josh trank would never have signed on to an MCU movie if he's had this opinion for a long time but he signed onto Fox because he knows Fox makes a better class of movies in the comic genre. Too bad the execs screwed him over. No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao Because they're the most popular films nowadays. If it was Twilight series that was getting this much popularity, then I can assure you that just about every single filmmakers would start trashing the series - and rightfully so, because those films are actually terrible. Also, the fact that you're trying to validate your claim by citing an unprofessional @$$ who took his rage out on casts and crews is quite hilarious. Who are you going to cite next? Friedberg/Seltzer?
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2019 19:48:37 GMT
No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao They've been far better, since the MCU started in 2008, we've had Punisher Warzone, X-men Origins Wolverine, Ghost Rider 2, The Amazing Spider-man 2, Fantastic Four, X-men Apocalypse, Venom and Dark Phoenix which have all been worse than the worst MCU movie which is probably Thor Dark World. They'd be singled out now because they've become such a dominate force in the industry, before they did well but they used to just be other big movies amongst the crowd. Now pretty much every one of these MCU is enormous, five out of the last six movies have made over a billion. They overshadow other movies, this year 3 out of the 4 biggest movies have been MCU movies. Last year the two biggest movies were MCU movies.
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Post by Wakanda on Nov 28, 2019 20:12:39 GMT
It's kinda strange that all these other Marvel movies would be considered so irrelevant that Marvel = MCU now. Even amongst Marvel as a whole, MCU movies are better than other non MCU Marvel movies. No its not irrelevant. These people are making a clear distinction that MCU movies and non-mcu movies are different. Non-mcu movies are more artistic and uphold the traditions of cinema. Josh trank would never have signed on to an MCU movie if he's had this opinion for a long time but he signed onto Fox because he knows Fox makes a better class of movies in the comic genre. Too bad the execs screwed him over. No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao Artistic? Cinema? Better? Please comment on this charzhinoI know Day of X-men Retcon is supposed to be the last "good" X-Men movie, but for my money, it managed to be quite impressively dumb. Mostly where it concerns the issue of time travel and how to stop the whole "kill all Mutants" thing from getting started. In other words, the whole premise of the movie is deeply flawed. The way time-travel works in this movie... doesn't. It doesn't work. Like in the comics, the mind of one of the X-Men is sent back in time to possess the poor unsuspecting body of their past self. So far so good. And the mutant who is going to be sending the traveler back in time is, of course, one of the many time-manipulating mutants. Velocidad? Tempus? Majik? ...Wait, it's Kitty Pryde? Kitty, for real? Okay, then. Why does Kitty Pryde suddenly have the power to send people back in time? Well, isn’t in obvious? Kitty’s powers allow her to phase through walls, and what is time but... um...? Nope, I got nothing. This doesn't even work within the realms of her powers, because her powers send THE BODY (with the mind still attached, granted) through physical objects. Never has Kitty's powers just sent somebody's mind elsewhere. Why not just have Cyclops shoot a hole in the Time Wall, or something? It would make about as much sense. And course, Wolverine is the one going back because Fox hasn't figured out that people are tired of him instead of Xavier because the strain of the journey would tear Xavier’s mind apart (oh, bullshit!) but Wolverine’s got that healing factor so he’ll be fine. Last time I checked, his healing ability didn't repair his amnesia, but hey, what do I know? I've only apparently paid more attention to their powers than the filmmakers. Anyway, Logan is being sent back to 1973, because Mystique assassinated a scientist named Bolivar Trask, the invent or of the Sentinels. Mystique was then captured and her DNA was used to create even more powerful Sentinels... Wait, what? No. Put on the breaks. What?! That is not how Mystique’s powers work! She can’t turn herself into metal or ice or fire, she just changes her appearance. In the first movie, her fake Wolverine claws were easily shredded by the real deal! A MOVIE THE DIRECTOR OF THIS MESS MADE! If you need a mutant who could kickstart a killer robot program, you use... Uh, none of them? Because that's not how Mutants and robotics engineering works! Back to topic, Wolverine has to stop Mystique and Magneto from ruining everything for everyone, because Magneto is also going to kill Richard Nixon. Spotting where this plan is dumb yet? They want to avoid the bad future riddled with mutant-killing robots by saving the life of the guy who originally designed the mutant-killing robots. That's like using time travel to prevent the Holocaust by sending a Rabbi back to 1929 to kick Adolf Hitler in the balls. I hate to say it, but the best course of action for this situation was supplied by Rhody in "Endgame. So Logan travels back to 1973 to discover that he somehow hasn't enlisted and been stationed in Vietnam at the time and goes to change history. Things get REAL dumb again during the climax, though. Just as Nixon is unveiling the Sentinel Program (and is for some reason NOT sending them off to clean up in Vietnam), Magneto pops in and drops the RFK Baseball Stadium on the White House. After some more shenanigans involving re-programmed killbots and a narrowly avoided Presidential assassination, the bad future is somehow prevented. Uh... No. Just no. No. Brian Singer... you were born in 1965. You were alive to see what kind of person Former President Richard Nixon was in real time. People who were children at the time have reported being pissed off by Nixon's actions as the events of Watergate unfolded on the news, so I know kids were paying attention. What's your excuse? I mean... Really? Freaking. Really?! In the narrative of this film, Richard Nixon gave the Mutants a pardon? Okay, let's frame this. From Nixon's perspective, Magneto DROPPED A FREAKING STADIUM ON THE FREAKING WHITE HOUSE as a show of power before moving in for the kill on Nixon and his Cabinet, and was only stopped at the last minute by the same mutant who'd just tried to kill Trask earlier that day! Then the guy who dropped a stadium on The White House for the intent purposes of assassinating the President and his Cabinet was allowed to get away by yet another mutant, and this one has the power to take over people's brains to use as his meat puppets! And Nixon's just okay with this? Oh, yes! That oh so famously nice, open-minded, trusting President Nixon concludes that Mutants aren't a threat to national security and society based on this?! If anything, this should have just made the bad future WORSE!
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Post by Wakanda on Nov 28, 2019 20:13:05 GMT
FoX-men verse? Plotholeverse!
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 28, 2019 20:15:12 GMT
It's kinda strange that all these other Marvel movies would be considered so irrelevant that Marvel = MCU now. Even amongst Marvel as a whole, MCU movies are better than other non MCU Marvel movies. No its not irrelevant. These people are making a clear distinction that MCU movies and non-mcu movies are different. Non-mcu movies are more artistic and uphold the traditions of cinema. Josh trank would never have signed on to an MCU movie if he's had this opinion for a long time but he signed onto Fox because he knows Fox makes a better class of movies in the comic genre. Too bad the execs screwed him over. No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao Right, better class of movies! Want to lump shitty Fox movies like Fant4stic and Dark Phoenix with Endgame, Black Panther, and Spider-Man: Far From Home?
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Post by summers8 on Nov 28, 2019 20:33:35 GMT
Remove the lapdog Disney machine. many mcu movies would have ended up like Fantastic 4
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 20:35:51 GMT
Remove the lapdog Disney machine. many mcu movies would have ended up like Fantastic 4 What?! Have you actually seen Fant4stic? I have, and it was blatantly clear that no one in that film wanted to be there! It's beyond retarded to think that even the worst MCU film would be on par with that cinematic travesty. But then again, you're an utter shit of a human being who said that MCU fans don't understand X-Men because they've never heard of Holocaust, so what am I even doing here anyway.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 20:36:08 GMT
No its not irrelevant. These people are making a clear distinction that MCU movies and non-mcu movies are different. Non-mcu movies are more artistic and uphold the traditions of cinema. Josh trank would never have signed on to an MCU movie if he's had this opinion for a long time but he signed onto Fox because he knows Fox makes a better class of movies in the comic genre. Too bad the execs screwed him over. No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao Right, better class of movies! Want to lump shitty Fox movies like Fant4stic and Dark Phoenix with Endgame, Black Panther, and Spider-Man: Far From Home? summers8 just did - pretty much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 21:17:09 GMT
This to me looks sad and really out of the blue. When it comes to fast food Marvel junk, his one and only film in the genre is near the top of the list. His Fantastic 4 is what happens when studios make the kind of deals they do. Fox had to make a Fantastic 4 movie or surrender the rights to use the characters back to Marvel. It's not the fan's fault. It's not even Josh Trank's fault, but it's a little rich to throw stones and stand behind real cinema when he's done two films and one is terrible. I've yet to meet anyone who genuinely likes it. To its credit, I liked the performance by the actor who played Ben Grimm, but I had to really stretch to find any redeemable qualities. I thought he was the only actor who wasn't miscast.
Josh Trank is really burning out. I feel sorry for him. I liked Chronicle. Chronicle was an interesting rebuttal to the trope that people just become superheroes when they get powers. Why did nobody think of this before? If you've been bullied all your life and are suddenly endowed with powers, your loyalty is still to yourself. It was an interesting film about the dark side of using your powers.
Moving on, yeah, I have no idea what the MCU did to him. He threw his own product under the bus. Word on the street is Fox threw their weight around with him on the set (which, to be fair, is really not the first time a studio's ever interfered) and yeah, it won't be the last time. He seems like he's coming from a hurt place and I don't wish him extra pain, but it's kind of rich to trot out "I care about cinema" with his filmography. Who's he trying to kid? I know he's in pain but I have better things to do than let his pain roll over what I like.
Incidentally, welcome back.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 28, 2019 21:18:56 GMT
This to me looks sad and really out of the blue. When it comes to fast food Marvel junk, his one and only film in the genre is near the top of the list. His Fantastic 4 is what happens with the kind of licensing deals studios make. Fox had to make a Fantastic 4 movie or surrender the rights to use the characters back to Marvel. It's not the fan's fault. It's not even Josh Trank's fault, but it's a little rich to throw stones and stand behind real cinema when he's done two films and one is terrible. I've yet to meet anyone who genuinely likes it. To its credit, I liked the performance by the actor who played Ben Grimm, but I had to really stretch to find any redeemable qualities. I thought he was the only actor who wasn't miscast.
Josh Trank is really burning out. I feel sorry for him. I liked Chronicle. Chronicle was an interesting rebuttal to the trope that people just become superheroes when they get powers. Why did nobody think of this before? If you've been bullied all your life and are suddenly endowed with powers, your loyalty is still to yourself. It was an interesting film about the dark side of using your powers.
Moving on, yeah, I have no idea what the MCU did to him. He threw his own product under the bus. Word on the street is Fox threw their weight around with him on the set (which, to be fair, is really not the first time a studio's ever interfered) and yeah, it won't be the first or the last time. He seems like he's coming from a hurt place and I don't wish him extra pain, but it's kind of rich to trot out "I care about cinema" with his filmography. Who's he trying to kid? I know he's in pain but I have better things to do than let his pain roll over what I like.
Incidentally, welcome back.
MCU has nothing to do with Fant4stic.
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