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Post by summers8 on Nov 29, 2019 10:43:20 GMT
So Fant4stic is better than it actually is because just about every single MCU fans AND comics fans rightfully despise it? How does that even work? No one says that. Mcu fans who hate good non-mcu films have their intentions clear. Hello charzino ..long time no see.
that is true though, reason MCU fans have a bad habit or lieing.
Trank gets to call Fantastic 4 a movie. MCU films are not movies. they are toy ads for Disney.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 29, 2019 10:51:11 GMT
No one says that. Mcu fans who hate good non-mcu films have their intentions clear. Hello charzino ..long time no see.
that is true though, reason MCU fans have a bad habit or lieing.
Trank gets to call Fantastic 4 a movie. MCU films are not movies. they are toy ads for Disney.
I was banned since May but then heard that the admin un-banned all accounts so thought id drop by since marvel are getting slaugherterd by respected filmmakers recently. It will continue as more and more people speak up.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 29, 2019 11:17:55 GMT
It hasn't ruined anything, Hollywood can still make whatever movies they want and people can go to see whatever they want. Going to see decent movies in waves isn't anything new. Rambo 2 had practical effects because it wasn't capable of having CGI. It also had weak acting and a weak story but people still went to go see it and enjoyed it which led to a series of movies with no plot but a main character just killing as many bad guys as possible. These are comic book movies, comic books are colourful. That ain't nothing new. Superman, Batman, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, Spider-man, Fantastic Four, Aquaman, Wonder Woman etc were colourful, How's this anything new? Since when is colour a bad thing? It's ruining it because the studio is bullying out smaller movies from screens and monopolizing the industry with the takeover from fox to make more mediocre comic book movies from their list of IP properities - saturating the market. Yes Fox wanted to sell but the deal should never have been approved as Disney owns too much of the landscape now.
People can see whatever they want, yeh. But when its the same comic book movie over and over and over and over and over again this is what brainwashing does and it comes at the expense of people not going to see actual good movies. Lets be honest, there is no real difference from Avengers 1 in 2012 to Endgame in 2019 or Ironman 3 to Ragnaraok. Marvel produces the same generic movie 4 times a year and people eat it up like mindless drones. You want true variety look at movies like Joker and Logan.
The colour is there in excess to appeal to children and sell merchandise from lunch boxes to stuffed toys. Comic books are not the same as movies they are different mediums
This is a sensible transition from comic book to on screen
This isn't
Are you saying that the film that turned Galactus into a fricking space cloud is somehow better than Thor: Ragnarok?! And I DID enjoy Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, but let's not pretend that it's actually better since it's actually even more childish than the film you're trying to trash.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 29, 2019 11:19:38 GMT
No one says that. Mcu fans who hate good non-mcu films have their intentions clear. Hello charzino ..long time no see.
that is true though, reason MCU fans have a bad habit or lieing.
Trank gets to call Fantastic 4 a movie. MCU films are not movies. they are toy ads for Disney.
You REALLY don't want to be taken seriously, do you? Trying to defend Fant4stic, saying that MCU fans haven't heard of Holocaust, you're practically proving yourself to be an utter shit of a human being with every single posts you make.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 29, 2019 11:20:36 GMT
Hello charzino ..long time no see.
that is true though, reason MCU fans have a bad habit or lieing.
Trank gets to call Fantastic 4 a movie. MCU films are not movies. they are toy ads for Disney.
I was banned since May but then heard that the admin un-banned all accounts so thought id drop by since marvel are getting slaugherterd by respected filmmakers recently. It will continue as more and more people speak up.
If you think Josh Trank is a respected filmmaker, you're seriously f**ked in the head. Oh, wait. You ARE! Because you claimed that Nick Fury is gay because he likes cats!
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 29, 2019 11:25:26 GMT
Chronicle was a good film. He was going to direct the second Star Wars sequel trilogy films and it could hardly have been worse than The Last Jedi.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 29, 2019 11:28:10 GMT
Chronicle was a good film. He was going to direct the second Star Wars sequel trilogy films and it could hardly have been worse than The Last Jedi. Based on the fact that Fant4stic was a completely useless train wreck and Fonzi seems to be stuck in a release date limbo, his Star Wars film wouldn't even have been able to be better than The Phantom Menace, let alone The Last Jedi. And no, he wasn't going to direct a sequel trilogy film. He was going to direct an anthology film.
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Post by scabab on Nov 29, 2019 16:27:11 GMT
Lets be honest, there is no real difference from Avengers 1 in 2012 to Endgame in 2019 or Ironman 3 to Ragnaraok. But you said you liked Infinity War didn't you? If they're all part of the same franchise then should they not be similar? How different do they need to be? The Captain America movies aren't anything like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Ant-man was nothing like Black Panther. Endgame was move different than Avengers than Spider-man 3 was with Spider-man or The Dark Knight Rises was with Batman Begins. But what's that what they're aimed for. They're meant to appeal to children just like Star Wars and Jurassic Park. They're meant to be colourful and sell merchandise. But that movie was trash, Thor Ragnarok wasn't.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 29, 2019 16:46:53 GMT
Lets be honest, there is no real difference from Avengers 1 in 2012 to Endgame in 2019 or Ironman 3 to Ragnaraok. But you said you liked Infinity War didn't you? If they're all part of the same franchise then should they not be similar? How different do they need to be? The Captain America movies aren't anything like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Ant-man was nothing like Black Panther. Endgame was move different than Avengers than Spider-man 3 was with Spider-man or The Dark Knight Rises was with Batman Begins. But what's that what they're aimed for. They're meant to appeal to children just like Star Wars and Jurassic Park. They're meant to be colourful and sell merchandise. But that movie was trash, Thor Ragnarok wasn't. You didnt read Martin Scorsese in depth reply did you. They are all the same movies because each one is predictable and contains no ''mystery, revelation or emotional danger''. All these movies end in the same way, a big cgi carnival where the heros crack funny jokes and are in no danger whatsoever. Thats what a rollercoaster is, it gives you the illusion of danger and thats why marvel movies are themeparks. There is no emotional danger of starlord and his buddies under threat when hes having a dance off with ronan. Civil war ends in a apparent split but rogers and stark are back working togther in the next movie no problem and rhodey who was crippled is flying in his armour in IW and making cheeze wiz JOKES as if nothing happened. There is no mystery, the mystery to learn that Talia al Ghul was the secret mastermind to annhilate Gotham or the revelation that William Stryker was using his own son Jason to exterminate mutants worldwide. Every mcu character that is killed in the infinity saga is coming back whether its black widow in a prequel, vision and wanda in a tv show or even stark rumoured to be making a ghost return in a future mcu movies. Even fans had a big petition to make Feige reanimate him, how pathetic can a fandom get where they cant handle the death of one their heros
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Post by charzhino on Nov 29, 2019 16:55:37 GMT
Watch this scabab
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 29, 2019 17:23:59 GMT
But you said you liked Infinity War didn't you? If they're all part of the same franchise then should they not be similar? How different do they need to be? The Captain America movies aren't anything like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Ant-man was nothing like Black Panther. Endgame was move different than Avengers than Spider-man 3 was with Spider-man or The Dark Knight Rises was with Batman Begins. But what's that what they're aimed for. They're meant to appeal to children just like Star Wars and Jurassic Park. They're meant to be colourful and sell merchandise. But that movie was trash, Thor Ragnarok wasn't. You didnt read Martin Scorsese in depth reply did you. They are all the same movies because each one is predictable and contains no ''mystery, revelation or emotional danger''. All these movies end in the same way, a big cgi carnival where the heros crack funny jokes and are in no danger whatsoever. Thats what a rollercoaster is, it gives you the illusion of danger and thats why marvel movies are themeparks. There is no emotional danger of starlord and his buddies under threat when hes having a dance off with ronan. Civil war ends in a apparent split but rogers and stark are back working togther in the next movie no problem and rhodey who was crippled is flying in his armour in IW and making cheeze wiz JOKES as if nothing happened. There is no mystery, the mystery to learn that Talia al Ghul was the secret mastermind to annhilate Gotham or the revelation that William Stryker was using his own son Jason to exterminate mutants worldwide. Every mcu character that is killed in the infinity saga is coming back whether its black widow in a prequel, vision and wanda in a tv show or even stark rumoured to be making a ghost return in a future mcu movies. Even fans had a big petition to make Feige reanimate him, how pathetic can a fandom get where they cant handle the death of one their heros 1. For the love of... Ronan wasn't defeated by dance off, you f**king moron! That was just a distraction! 2. Rogers and Stark DID start working together... in Avengers: Endgame. And you don't call that a consequence? 3. Civil War already had Rhodes using some device in order to be able to walk again. Are you saying that the whole thing should go to waste? 4. That Talia twist is one of the most contrived twists in history of comic book films, and it's sad to see such thing happening in a film that I genuinely liked. 5. This has to be some of the most retarded logic I've ever read here. So because that dead characters are coming back one way or another, they're not truly dead?
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Post by scabab on Nov 29, 2019 17:53:13 GMT
Wakanda I edited your name out. Respect peoples privacy please.
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Post by Wakanda on Nov 29, 2019 18:03:25 GMT
Wakanda I edited your name out. Respect peoples privacy please. Thank you. I will remove my post now. No need for trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 22:02:43 GMT
Thats a low act charzhino. Salty much? If you truly believed the x-men films were so superior, you wouldnt need to resort to that. Speaks volumes about that and your character...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 22:53:05 GMT
"I dont necessarily fully agree with that but he obviously cares...
He doesnt need a solid filmography for his opinion to carry any more weight. Its a domino effect after the first person decided to publicy out MCU movies and others had the courage to step forward. You can bet that more and more people will say the same thing in the next few months."
He doesn't need one but it would help. He made 2 films, the latter of which was poorly received, and now we're watching him flame out. I meant it when I said I feel for him, but this is not professional behavior. A better filmography would help because it's not good form to badmouth your peers and contemporaries. If one is so inclined to choose that path, they better be worth their weight in gold if they ever want to be hired again.
Most people know when to keep quiet if it means greasing the wheels for future prospects. Take any work environment. Movie set, restaurant, you name it. Most people have the good sense to wait till they get home before they talk trash. His behavior tells me it's only a matter of time before he turns on the product. He has a bad attitude. He probably deleted his account to delete the evidence. It would be a smart end to a bad decision, but deleting it also deletes any evidence of courage. What courage? My chef would make him cry half an hour. He did 2 films in 4 years and all but retired himself because the internet told him one of his films sucked.
When you have clout, allies and a history worth hiring, you can take more liberties. Natalie Portman can threaten to walk away from Marvel because they fired her friend Patty Jenkins. The fact she returned not withstanding, she can afford to walk away on principle. He can't.
I agree with you on one thing. He does seem to care. He's probably pissed because he cares so much and all anybody sees is Chronicle and Fant4stic. I'm not a mind-reader. All I know is when he badmouths someone else's work, he dares me to ask what's he done that's any better? The answer's nothing. I see people flame out in kitchens all the time. They think they know better than the chef or the industry, then they're out on their ass crying that no one understands their genius. I'm getting sick of these brats who want the recognition without the work.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 29, 2019 23:25:53 GMT
And? Josh Trank is an egotistical weirdo with serious, unhealthy issues who got lucky with his first movie Chronicle(In which the editor really made the it work) and burned a ton of bridges in the industry on his Fantastic Four movie to where he was such a pain in the rear end to work with and be around that he lost the opportunity to make a Star Wars movie and an adaptation of Shadow of Colossus. Also, his original vision of the Fantastic Four would not have been anything to write home about, it still would've been as big a piss on the source material as the actual movie was. His opinion doesn't matter much, and apparently he thinks so to which he is why deleted his Twitter post and account.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 23:31:23 GMT
And? Josh Trank is an egotistical weirdo with serious, unhealthy issues who got lucky with his first movie Chronicle(In which the editor really made the it work) and burned a ton of bridges in the industry on his Fantastic Four movie to where he was such a pain in the rear end to work with and be around that he lost the opportunity to make a Star Wars movie an adaptation of Shadow of Colossus. Also, his original vision of the Fantastic Four would not have been anything to write home about, it still would've been as big a piss on the source material as the actual movie was. His opinion doesn't matter much, and apparently he thinks so to which he is why deleted his Twitter post and account. To add to that slightly, it's gotten more and more annoying over the years that directors and whoever will boast about their original version never making it to the screen. Release the such and such cut. There's never any evidence the would-be original copy is any great loss. I heard there was a lot of studio interference and someone on the set vouched for it, but is that all? Maybe their interference made a bad film worse? Maybe we got the better version. Maybe we got the solid brown shit version instead of slimy green version you get when you're sick.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 29, 2019 23:45:38 GMT
And? Josh Trank is an egotistical weirdo with serious, unhealthy issues who got lucky with his first movie Chronicle(In which the editor really made the it work) and burned a ton of bridges in the industry on his Fantastic Four movie to where he was such a pain in the rear end to work with and be around that he lost the opportunity to make a Star Wars movie an adaptation of Shadow of Colossus. Also, his original vision of the Fantastic Four would not have been anything to write home about, it still would've been as big a piss on the source material as the actual movie was. His opinion doesn't matter much, and apparently he thinks so to which he is why deleted his Twitter post and account. To add to that slightly, it's gotten more and more annoying over the years that directors and whoever will boast about their original version never making it to the screen. Release the such and such cut. There's never any evidence the would-be original copy is any great loss. I heard there was a lot of studio interference and someone on the set vouched for it, but is that all? Maybe their interference made a bad film worse? Maybe we got the better version. Maybe we got the solid brown shit version instead of slimy green version you get when you're sick. Case in point, Thor: The Dark World. I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the rare cases when Kevin Feige had to step in because the original version directed by Alan Taylor was so sh!t - which is actually plausible since Terminator Genisys, which Taylor probably had more creative freedoms, turned out to be a colossal embarrassment.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 29, 2019 23:50:07 GMT
To add to that slightly, it's gotten more and more annoying over the years that directors and whoever will boast about their original version never making it to the screen. Release the such and such cut. There's never any evidence the would-be original copy is any great loss. I heard there was a lot of studio interference and someone on the set vouched for it, but is that all? Maybe their interference made a bad film worse? Maybe we got the better version. Maybe we got the solid brown shit version instead of slimy green version you get when you're sick. Case in point, Thor: The Dark World. I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the rare cases when Kevin Feige had to step in because the original version directed by Alan Taylor was so sh!t - which is actually plausible since Terminator Genisys, which Taylor probably had more creative freedoms, turned out to be a colossal embarrassment. You mean the original Thor 2 which Patty Jenkins was going to head but split because Feige is a control freak? Thor 2 was good but if Patty Jenkins was in charge and Feige gave her creative control it woulda been great.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 29, 2019 23:52:43 GMT
Case in point, Thor: The Dark World. I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the rare cases when Kevin Feige had to step in because the original version directed by Alan Taylor was so sh!t - which is actually plausible since Terminator Genisys, which Taylor probably had more creative freedoms, turned out to be a colossal embarrassment. You mean the original Thor 2 which Patty Jenkins was going to head but split because Feige is a control freak? Thor 2 was good but if Patty Jenkins was in charge and Feige gave her creative control it woulda been great. You have absolutely no idea what happened there, do you? It's very unlikely that Feige kicked out Jenkins since Perlmutter was running the studio at the time. I don't think it's completely unreasonable to assume that Feige decided to step in after he felt that Perlmutter's pick turned out to be an incompetent buffoon, and if that's how it went, then Feige probably made a right decision to step in since, again, Terminator Genisys turned out to be a colossal embarrassment 2 years later. Why do you think just about all the directorial woes were gone after Perlmutter got ousted?
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