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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 30, 2019 2:30:52 GMT
But you said you liked Infinity War didn't you? If they're all part of the same franchise then should they not be similar? How different do they need to be? The Captain America movies aren't anything like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Ant-man was nothing like Black Panther. Endgame was move different than Avengers than Spider-man 3 was with Spider-man or The Dark Knight Rises was with Batman Begins. But what's that what they're aimed for. They're meant to appeal to children just like Star Wars and Jurassic Park. They're meant to be colourful and sell merchandise. But that movie was trash, Thor Ragnarok wasn't. You didnt read Martin Scorsese in depth reply did you. They are all the same movies because each one is predictable and contains no ''mystery, revelation or emotional danger''. All these movies end in the same way, a big cgi carnival where the heros crack funny jokes and are in no danger whatsoever. Thats what a rollercoaster is, it gives you the illusion of danger and thats why marvel movies are themeparks. There is no emotional danger of starlord and his buddies under threat when hes having a dance off with ronan. Civil war ends in a apparent split but rogers and stark are back working togther in the next movie no problem and rhodey who was crippled is flying in his armour in IW and making cheeze wiz JOKES as if nothing happened. There is no mystery, the mystery to learn that Talia al Ghul was the secret mastermind to annhilate Gotham or the revelation that William Stryker was using his own son Jason to exterminate mutants worldwide. Every mcu character that is killed in the infinity saga is coming back whether its black widow in a prequel, vision and wanda in a tv show or even stark rumoured to be making a ghost return in a future mcu movies. Even fans had a big petition to make Feige reanimate him, how pathetic can a fandom get where they cant handle the death of one their heros Funny how you mention no one dies in the MCU is a problem for that cinematic universe, when the others are guilty of the same thing. In the DCEU, Superman dies, then comes back. Steve Trevor dies in Wonder Woman, and he's coming back in WW84. in the FoX-Men verse, Xavier dies in X3, only for him to come back in The Wolverine. Majority of mutants die in DOFP, they're all alive and well in the end. Deadpool dies, only for him to come back. Not sure why you're just targeting MCU.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 30, 2019 2:32:22 GMT
You didnt read Martin Scorsese in depth reply did you. They are all the same movies because each one is predictable and contains no ''mystery, revelation or emotional danger''. All these movies end in the same way, a big cgi carnival where the heros crack funny jokes and are in no danger whatsoever. Thats what a rollercoaster is, it gives you the illusion of danger and thats why marvel movies are themeparks. There is no emotional danger of starlord and his buddies under threat when hes having a dance off with ronan. Civil war ends in a apparent split but rogers and stark are back working togther in the next movie no problem and rhodey who was crippled is flying in his armour in IW and making cheeze wiz JOKES as if nothing happened. There is no mystery, the mystery to learn that Talia al Ghul was the secret mastermind to annhilate Gotham or the revelation that William Stryker was using his own son Jason to exterminate mutants worldwide. Every mcu character that is killed in the infinity saga is coming back whether its black widow in a prequel, vision and wanda in a tv show or even stark rumoured to be making a ghost return in a future mcu movies. Even fans had a big petition to make Feige reanimate him, how pathetic can a fandom get where they cant handle the death of one their heros Funny how you mention no one dies in the MCU is a problem for that cinematic universe, when the others are guilty of the same thing. In the DCEU, Superman dies, then comes back. Steve Trevor dies in Wonder Woman, and he's coming back in WW84. in the FoX-Men verse, Xavier dies in X3, only for him to come back in The Wolverine. Majority of mutants die in DOFP, they're all alive and well in the end. Deadpool dies, only for him to come back. Not sure why you're just targeting MCU. His logic is that dead characters in MCU will appear in future films as flashbacks, so they're not truly dead - that's what I assume, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 1:07:37 GMT
oh I know. But you did pass a little note on to your equally useless boy John who did. And then you apologized as though I hadn’t repeatedly asked you to do it. Most of what you just said is nonsense, I've never apologised to you nor would I and you certainly were never banned because you asked for it because not only did that not happen but I would never have paid any attention to such a request in the first place especially as that is why the "delete account" option exists and you could have done that yourself. Not all threads are made to bait people and some that do still have a topic to be discussed of which people do. If people are in the middle of an on topic discussion even if it was made to stir things then of course I won't delete it until it goes too far south. You don't have problems over there because that forum is nothing but a fan club, one big circle jerk.
You and your cronies over there were never able to take any criticism, it caused you all to get into a frantic panic and act like idiots. That whole crying act of "Oh but the DC fans started it back in 2008" which is pathetic beyond words could ever describe. This forum had been just fine all year, the only time it became a shit hole was when you lot came crawling back for a couple days. With respect Scabab, I have challenged both Weirdraptor and Arch on that forum a few times re the mcu and it has never gotten out of hand like it has over here but I do agree people are too attached to the past and are holding endless grudges
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Post by politicidal on Dec 1, 2019 2:52:27 GMT
Most of what you just said is nonsense, I've never apologised to you nor would I and you certainly were never banned because you asked for it because not only did that not happen but I would never have paid any attention to such a request in the first place especially as that is why the "delete account" option exists and you could have done that yourself. Not all threads are made to bait people and some that do still have a topic to be discussed of which people do. If people are in the middle of an on topic discussion even if it was made to stir things then of course I won't delete it until it goes too far south. You don't have problems over there because that forum is nothing but a fan club, one big circle jerk.
You and your cronies over there were never able to take any criticism, it caused you all to get into a frantic panic and act like idiots. That whole crying act of "Oh but the DC fans started it back in 2008" which is pathetic beyond words could ever describe. This forum had been just fine all year, the only time it became a shit hole was when you lot came crawling back for a couple days. With respect Scabab, I have challenged both Weirdraptor and Arch on that forum a few times re the mcu and it has never gotten out of hand like it has over here but I do agree people are too attached to the past and are holding endless grudges Let the past die. Trapped in a burning car falling over a cliff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 4:28:33 GMT
It's kinda strange that all these other Marvel movies would be considered so irrelevant that Marvel = MCU now. Even amongst Marvel as a whole, MCU movies are better than other non MCU Marvel movies. No its not irrelevant. These people are making a clear distinction that MCU movies and non-mcu movies are different. Non-mcu movies are more artistic and uphold the traditions of cinema. Josh trank would never have signed on to an MCU movie if he's had this opinion for a long time but he signed onto Fox because he knows Fox makes a better class of movies in the comic genre. Too bad the execs screwed him over. No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao Yes they are better, both financially and critically overall. Get with the program charzhino. Just look at RT and the box office returns. People like Scorsese and Coppola have even backtracked their comments after Iger set them straight. Their opinions are really dependable arent they? A lion roars and the wolves run. It's hilarious. They're just annoyed that theyre not as revered as they once were, Scorsese had to go to netflix after denouncing them
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 1, 2019 5:01:41 GMT
No its not irrelevant. These people are making a clear distinction that MCU movies and non-mcu movies are different. Non-mcu movies are more artistic and uphold the traditions of cinema. Josh trank would never have signed on to an MCU movie if he's had this opinion for a long time but he signed onto Fox because he knows Fox makes a better class of movies in the comic genre. Too bad the execs screwed him over. No they are not better scabab, the last 10 years of mcu movies have been a disgrace, why do you think Scorsese is singling out these theme park movies now and not 10 years ago lmao Yes they are better, both financially and critically overall. Get with the program charzhino. Just look at RT and the box office returns. People like Scorsese and Coppola have even backtracked their comments after Iger set them straight. Their opinions are really dependable arent they? A lion roars and the wolves run. It's hilarious. They're just annoyed that theyre not as revered as they once were, Scorsese had to go to netflix after denouncing them Especially Coppola, who is practically a has-been now.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 1, 2019 12:01:10 GMT
Most of what you just said is nonsense, I've never apologised to you nor would I and you certainly were never banned because you asked for it because not only did that not happen but I would never have paid any attention to such a request in the first place especially as that is why the "delete account" option exists and you could have done that yourself. Not all threads are made to bait people and some that do still have a topic to be discussed of which people do. If people are in the middle of an on topic discussion even if it was made to stir things then of course I won't delete it until it goes too far south. You don't have problems over there because that forum is nothing but a fan club, one big circle jerk.
You and your cronies over there were never able to take any criticism, it caused you all to get into a frantic panic and act like idiots. That whole crying act of "Oh but the DC fans started it back in 2008" which is pathetic beyond words could ever describe. This forum had been just fine all year, the only time it became a shit hole was when you lot came crawling back for a couple days. With respect Scabab, I have challenged both Weirdraptor and Arch on that forum a few times re the mcu and it has never gotten out of hand like it has over here but I do agree people are too attached to the past and are holding endless grudges Thank you sir. And I don’t mean to trash up your site here. It’s just that I feel there should be some honestly about what happened and if he’s not going to acknowledge it, that’s fine, but he’s going to hear it. And part of that is about the trolls that have always been on your site. I am encouraging everybody here to join me in demanding he ban them already. It’s been long enough and I want your site cleaned up. I am going to be in his face about it and will end up banned for it, but if the rest of you want them gone, then let’s say it’s enough already together. And if you have had enough, you’re always welcome on Knowhere. You won’t find a bait thread or derailed childish nonsense threads anywhere. Just civil discussion. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 1, 2019 13:46:19 GMT
Come back, Arch. Don’t let any trolls trouble you. What would Cap do? He’d fight. That’s what heroes do.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 2, 2019 0:35:59 GMT
Come back, Arch. Don’t let any trolls trouble you. What would Cap do? He’d fight. That’s what heroes do. I am sorry friend, but I am on Knowhere permanentlybexause everybody there is great and it’s awesome to run into you there. My only business here is to set the record straight and hopefully encourage everybody left here to join me in telling your mod to get rid of the trolls. We all know who they are. Enough is enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 1:07:29 GMT
And? Josh Trank is an egotistical weirdo with serious, unhealthy issues who got lucky with his first movie Chronicle(In which the editor really made the it work) and burned a ton of bridges in the industry on his Fantastic Four movie to where he was such a pain in the rear end to work with and be around that he lost the opportunity to make a Star Wars movie and an adaptation of Shadow of Colossus. Also, his original vision of the Fantastic Four would not have been anything to write home about, it still would've been as big a piss on the source material as the actual movie was. His opinion doesn't matter much, and apparently he thinks so to which he is why deleted his Twitter post and account. Never heard of it but I read up on it a little bit, the game is highly regarded. Ico is the spiritual successor
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 22:07:07 GMT
Arch shut up, otherwise Haunted Knight wont sell you the pinata of Scabab I call that a hat trick wink wink |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 2:04:54 GMT
Come back, Arch. Don’t let any trolls trouble you. What would Cap do? He’d fight. That’s what heroes do.
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2019 10:08:39 GMT
Enough with this bullshit story that it was about something somebody brought to you. No it wasn't. It was about me telling you I had enough of your disorganized site and that you were going to have to ban me. Period. This is a strange position for you to take, if you had enough of the site, why would you have not just self deleted like the others? It wouldn't have mattered to me if you'd asked to be banned or not. Why would you even ask me when I can't even ban people in the first place? Why would you think I'd even care about such a request to the point I'd go through the effort of messaging the Admin and bothering him when you could have just done it yourself? Again I have all the PM's, I have the one sent to me by the user, the one I sent back, the one I sent to the Admin and the one he sent back and none that were never sent to you. Why do they deserve to be banned? Are those three doxxing other users? Are they insulting, harassing or threatening other users? Are they posting graphic or pornographic images? From what I can recall, the only people who have been permanently banned from here are Formersamhd (and his socks), Daisyb and Charzhino all for the same reason of finding out and posting other peoples personal information aka doxxing. So you want me to have the same done to Summers8 and thenolan....because of occasional on topic prodding that I can edit out in seconds? No, at best that is, like what was done with Summers8, worthy of a temporary ban if it became overly frequent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 14:01:31 GMT
ArArArchStanton I have to agree with Scabab here, I dont think he has the power to ban people. Perhaps only to make recommendations to John which we can do ourselves too? Also banning trolling is kinda silly because then where does it stop? Just like in real-life there will always be annoying people around or people that disagree with you
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 4, 2019 0:38:50 GMT
ArArArchStanton I have to agree with Scabab here, I dont think he has the power to ban people. Perhaps only to make recommendations to John which we can do ourselves too? Also banning trolling is kinda silly because then where does it stop? Just like in real-life there will always be annoying people around or people that disagree with you I can tell you he sent a request to have it done 2 years ago when I told him to ban me and the next day I was gone, so he can definitely do something.
Also, I'm not talking about people disagreeing. That's fine. I'm talking about the people who actively post incendiary nonsense. The posters who you and I both know have no intention of holding a discussion in good faith. There's no reason to keep them here. If he can have me banned for giving him the choice of me or them, then he can have them banned too. I don't buy for a second that he can't. He just doesn't.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 4, 2019 0:41:30 GMT
Enough with this bullshit story that it was about something somebody brought to you. No it wasn't. It was about me telling you I had enough of your disorganized site and that you were going to have to ban me. Period. This is a strange position for you to take, if you had enough of the site, why would you have not just self deleted like the others? It wouldn't have mattered to me if you'd asked to be banned or not. Why would you even ask me when I can't even ban people in the first place? Why would you think I'd even care about such a request to the point I'd go through the effort of messaging the Admin and bothering him when you could have just done it yourself? Again I have all the PM's, I have the one sent to me by the user, the one I sent back, the one I sent to the Admin and the one he sent back and none that were never sent to you. Why do they deserve to be banned? Are those three doxxing other users? Are they insulting, harassing or threatening other users? Are they posting graphic or pornographic images? From what I can recall, the only people who have been permanently banned from here are Formersamhd (and his socks), Daisyb and Charzhino all for the same reason of finding out and posting other peoples personal information aka doxxing. So you want me to have the same done to Summers8 and thenolan....because of occasional on topic prodding that I can edit out in seconds? No, at best that is, like what was done with Summers8, worthy of a temporary ban if it became overly frequent. So then your answer is that you're going to continue to tolerate trolls who have no intention of holding conversations in good faith. It's your board I guess. Let it be as shitty as you want I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 1:11:37 GMT
ArArArchStanton I have to agree with Scabab here, I dont think he has the power to ban people. Perhaps only to make recommendations to John which we can do ourselves too? Also banning trolling is kinda silly because then where does it stop? Just like in real-life there will always be annoying people around or people that disagree with you I can tell you he sent a request to have it done 2 years ago when I told him to ban me and the next day I was gone, so he can definitely do something.
Also, I'm not talking about people disagreeing. That's fine. I'm talking about the people who actively post incendiary nonsense. The posters who you and I both know have no intention of holding a discussion in good faith. There's no reason to keep them here. If he can have me banned for giving him the choice of me or them, then he can have them banned too. I don't buy for a second that he can't. He just doesn't.
Ok say he did do that, he probably passed it on to John. You said yourself you were pestering him so i dont understand. Further, you could have just self-deleted.. As for trolls, that term is used very loosely on the internet. Doxing is one thing, trolling depends on someone's perspective. To me sure, sometimes they can be annoying but i dont think they should be banned. I see name-calling on both sides of the aisle It seems to me, there are a lot more mcu fans or more active ones so I guess sometimes the non-mcu fans can feel attacked. Finally in a word, no one's innocent here
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 4, 2019 1:39:39 GMT
I can tell you he sent a request to have it done 2 years ago when I told him to ban me and the next day I was gone, so he can definitely do something.
Also, I'm not talking about people disagreeing. That's fine. I'm talking about the people who actively post incendiary nonsense. The posters who you and I both know have no intention of holding a discussion in good faith. There's no reason to keep them here. If he can have me banned for giving him the choice of me or them, then he can have them banned too. I don't buy for a second that he can't. He just doesn't.
Ok say he did do that, he probably passed it on to John. You said yourself you were pestering him so i dont understand. Further, you could have just self-deleted.. As for trolls, that term is used very loosely on the internet. Doxing is one thing, trolling depends on someone's perspective. To me sure, sometimes they can be annoying but i dont think they should be banned. I see name-calling on both sides of the aisle It seems to me, there are a lot more mcu fans or more active ones so I guess sometimes the non-mcu fans can feel attacked. Finally in a word, no one's innocent here Fair questions
I simply didn't want to self delete. I wanted to make a point of making him delete me. BTW notice that he's lied about why I was banned for 2 years now.
By troll, I mean the posters we all know here who actively try to be disruptive in a disingenuous way. I don't think that's a matter of perspective. I don't want to name them, but I'm pretty sure you have a few names running through your head already. Scab just openly admitted to editing posts. You shouldn't have to do that. Have some control. Show some authority.
My only take is that when you go to Knowhere, you don't see these kind of thing. When I got invited there, I realized the difference and it's just world's apart. I wish I could help this site get better honestly, but it's never going to when you have people like him who would rather make excuses than do anything about it. If you like the way it is though, then I guess Ive got no point.
Either way, I wanted to express that, and I won't really be hanging around this site.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 2:14:55 GMT
Ok say he did do that, he probably passed it on to John. You said yourself you were pestering him so i dont understand. Further, you could have just self-deleted.. As for trolls, that term is used very loosely on the internet. Doxing is one thing, trolling depends on someone's perspective. To me sure, sometimes they can be annoying but i dont think they should be banned. I see name-calling on both sides of the aisle It seems to me, there are a lot more mcu fans or more active ones so I guess sometimes the non-mcu fans can feel attacked. Finally in a word, no one's innocent here Fair questions
I simply didn't want to self delete. I wanted to make a point of making him delete me. BTW notice that he's lied about why I was banned for 2 years now.
By troll, I mean the posters we all know here who actively try to be disruptive in a disingenuous way. I don't think that's a matter of perspective. I don't want to name them, but I'm pretty sure you have a few names running through your head already. Scab just openly admitted to editing posts. You shouldn't have to do that. Have some control. Show some authority.
My only take is that when you go to Knowhere, you don't see these kind of thing. When I got invited there, I realized the difference and it's just world's apart. I wish I could help this site get better honestly, but it's never going to when you have people like him who would rather make excuses than do anything about it. If you like the way it is though, then I guess Ive got no point.
Either way, I wanted to express that, and I won't really be hanging around this site.
Fair enough but you can see that you pretty much forced his hand while trying to make a point. How would you like it if someone kept pestering you? Look at it from Scabab's pov, if I was a mod i'd get tired of constantly trying to moderate their behaviour, think edge of tomorrow but for really trivial reasons. Tired of seeking John's permission. Also to be fair, these trolls provide a lot of discussion topics so theres a reason for them to stick around. Additionally, Scabab cant always be around either and he doesnt get paid for this. At the end of the day, it's just a board, we're not making vaccines or getting rid of climate change
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Post by scabab on Dec 4, 2019 2:17:05 GMT
So then your answer is that you're going to continue to tolerate trolls who have no intention of holding conversations in good faith. It's your board I guess. Let it be as shitty as you want I suppose. Only to an extent that it doesn't go too far. Some of these "troll" threads do create a bit of a back forth and as long as its on topic I'll leave people to it. If it's something like Summers last thread though then I'll just lock it, no bother. I never aimed to make the place perfect, just better. This board used to be full of off topic nonsense. People would post threads about DC on the Marvel board on spite. Constant Marvel vs DC arguments everywhere you turned. People used to argue but not about the MCU but just personally to the point there was that whole Raptor/Poelzig Threatening/Racist debacle. Threads made about other users to make fun of them. Most of the threads on the board would be negative. We don't really have that now. At worst, there's a few threads that contain some ribbing and some have to be locked. It's all pretty trivial at this point. I have to agree with Scabab here, I dont think he has the power to ban people. I definitely can't ban or unban people nor can I can check IP addresses. I can edit, delete, move and sticky posts and that's it. I can ask the Admin to ban someone though. Archs stance on his ban is confusing to say the least. Apparently not only did he keep asking to be banned rather than just self delete which would be much quicker for everyone but I complied with his request and then felt compelled to lie about it afterwards. I don't even know he came back, I was led to believe the ban was permanent at the time. In any case, I had been deleting the last messages on this back and forth so as to not overtake the topic but it seems people have had enough to say about Josh Trank, Charzhino is banned and there'd be too many posts to delete now so let's this wrap so I can just lock the whole thread tomorrow.
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