Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 1, 2019 7:01:39 GMT
So Kate would like her sister Beth back - sure, I get it, but come on, any remotely reasonable person would know that the odds of that happening virtually nill. To start with, even if she were a well adjusted person, which obviously she's not, picking up where they left off after 15 years would difficult. Not impossible, mind you; they'd show that often enough on Unsolved Mysteries when estranged family members or adopted children would get reunited with biological family and new bonds would be made - at least for sure at first and while the cameras were running.
But those are under ideal circumstances, which these are not. Beth is not Beth anymore, she's clearly seen some shit; and more than that, she's evidently become a murderous psychopath and arguably unhinged from reality. She's not the little girl you knew, Kate; and for that matter, neither are you. Again, it's been 15 years. I can't remember if they said how old they were when the accident happened, I think maybe 11 or 12, 13 tops; so just as a numbers perspective they've been out of each other's lives long than they've been in them; and even if each has continually been in the other's thoughts the last 15 years, that's a long time apart, especially for that period of life and development, that neither of them bears much resemblance of whatever memory they have of one another, to say nothing of how much they may have idealized or even maybe twisted and vilified that memory. Kate says this as if Beth disappeared a few months ago and that she knows a more recent version of her sister this woman could conceivably return to - imagine your own sibling wanting to have the same relationship you had at 12. I'm pretty far removed from 12 at this point, a couple of times over, and the relationship with my siblings is not the same as it was then; and I wouldn't want it to be. I get that Kate might lament missing out on the interim developments, but especially in the case of Alice/Beth, that 15 year span in between has arguably more significance than your run of the mill estranged family member; because it's resulted in a person who has not only been traumatized, ostensibly, but who themselves have become a dangerous person. One who is responsible for actions that can't just be ignored for the sake or family reunion.
To much the same end, I can't help but wonder what's taken Beth so long to come back and enact whatever it is she's doing in Gotham or why she's doing it. 15 years is a long fucking time to be this crazy and hell bent, before she seeks satisfaction. It's conceivable she was locked up for a period of time or something, but it seems like the only reason they made it that long was so that it could be a long enough time for Beth to be unrecognizable and her identity be in doubt. It arguably would have made more sense to make her disappearance a more recent thing - maybe 3 years and present the possibility that it somehow coincided with Batman's disappearance; and then have her hide her face for some reason, maybe because she became disfigured or something. At least then she'd have a clearer bond with an adult Kate.
The way they framed the TV ad with Tommy, I honestly thought it was meant to be another security firm, similar to the Crows; and it was mainly later when someone mentions have having contract with the Crows that I had to go back to see that the ad was for real estate or whatever.
Still, in hindsight I'm slightly disappointed, because having someone like Tommy and knowing who he is from the comics, the idea of him being in charge of a rival security firm and in the business keeping people safe would be, objectively, a terrible thing, but from the creative, dramatic perspective, loaded with all kinds of now missed possibilities.
Jesus, Tommy, we get it, you have an incredibly small penis and are desperate to overcompensate. I can't tell which of us cares less, me or Kate....It's probably a draw.
So many things to unpack with this break-in at the Wayne-Tech vault.
First, and I guess they've referenced this before - Luke actually has contact with Bruce, or at least that's the implication with Luke saying he'd better inform Bruce. So unless Luke is just covering and making it seem like he's actually in regular contact with Bruce, but is in fact just as clueless where he is as the rest of the world, Bruce himself is not missing, he just up and left Gotham - which is dumb and out of character, generally speaking.
Second, who is running Wayne Enterprises? The building Kate broke into in the first episode was boarded up and seemingly abandoned; and there was no clear indication what the company overall was up to, but ever since she initially made her way into the building, now she comes and goes from Bruce's office - presumably mostly because of the access to the cave - yet there doesn't seem to be any implication that she's take on any sort of role within the Wayne Enterprises company; right? So who's even in charge?
The last one I guess would be just a general observation that they're taking a long fucking time to origin story here. It's episode 3 and haven't even caught Kate up to where she was last year during the cross-over. Instead they're dicking around with this whole mistaken identity with Batman for way too long; though I won't be surprise if by the end of this episode they decide to have Kate declare her independence from "Batman" by adding the final touches that make it clear she's not the same person. But they should have gotten there already, mainly because of the fact that they've already established as a fully established and active vigilante/hero in her own right a year ago and they're backtracking, which makes little sense.
Wait, why the fuck would Bruce have Wayne-Tech develop a gun of any kind? Don't give me that shit that "he had it developed in case the suit ever fell into the wrong hands." Fuck you. Settings the apparent literal magic woven into this special material the suit is made of that can cause a bullet to bounce off it; yet was simply enough for Luke to alter to fit Kate; surely there must be a world of alternate options for safe-guarding this sort of tech before Bruce fucking Wayne of all people commissioned a gun that could best this miracle armor - especially rather than fast track R&D of the material the suit was made of to make it cost effective enough to make it available to law enforcement and anyone else who might benefit from such incredible protection. I mean, surely just by virtue of being bulletproof doesn't in itself make you the end all, be all of unstoppable threats, right? Because by this logic it seems that Bruce equated the effectiveness of the suit as somehow more dangerous than the weapon he had designed to undermine the effectiveness of the suit.
Oh, okay, "If Bruce built that rail gun, he built something that could stop it" - talk about your fucking rabbit holes. So Bruce developed the armor for the Batsuit, which he then in turned developed the gun to take out the Batsuit should the need arise, but now we're supposing that he then must have developed something to stop the rail gun. So would he have wanted to work on something that could take out the thing that can stop the rail gun? What about a thing to stop the thing that stops the rail gun?
I often like to say for most shows "the lie is better" - as in, whatever pretense or lie a character tells, often that would have been the better truth or reality for the story to work with; and in this case, the "lie" that the rail gun had a gps tracker hidden it arguably should be true. Don't get me wrong, it's a good bluff; and it might a dubious idea should that rail gun inexplicably become commercially available, but definitely while it's in the R&D stage and especially being so dangerous, it should not have been left to chance and some steps of tracking it should it be stolen should have been taken.
Oh, man, I hope the elevator with the wait staff in it make it out alright.
No, I'm serious, out of all the characters they've introduced, the only ones I could actually give a shit about are the ones they never bothered actually saying two words, yet they seem more sympathetic virtually anyone else whose life is presently in peril.
I know they've stuck close to Tommy's backstory, yet somehow they've managed to make him a pathetic, whiny bitch instead of psycho he should be. Mind you, I was never much a fan of Hush, so maybe there's no good way to do that character the way he's written in the comics.
Well fuck. I swear to God I wrote that part about the wait staff long before I got to the part where Tommy actually killed the wait staff...
Now I don't care what happens. I mean, I don't want Tommy to win, but I don't give a shit if the other characters plummet to their deaths. Not now they've killed Charles, Mike and Michael B. That's right, they have names. Charles was a dancer, studied at Julliard. Michael's going to have a baby with his long time girlfriend, but he didn't know yet; she was going to tell him when he got home. Mike didn't have much in particular going on, he was just living day by day, trying to figure out life....
Damn you Tommy!! Damn you all to hell.....
Like, Kate's step-sister Mary's alright; she's cute, but I can't decide if she's pulling a Bruce Wayne and only pretending to be a party girl to cover for her being a secret street doctor; or if she legitimately is trying to lead both kinds of lives. Other than the that, I don't give a shit if he pushes the button.
Wait, are any of those people in the elevator that crashed alive? How? They made it a huge point how high up they had to go to get to the party and none of them were on the elevator very long before Tommy stopped them; it's not like it only crashed one or two floors; they achieved free fall. Presumably that should have hit with a force no one survives, I would think.
At least the hair looks better than in Elseworlds.
I mean, if you can just get the upper hand on the fucker and take him out, is it really "stalling" versus just getting the job done without needing to neutralize the rail gun? Obviously it's a good advantage to have, but if you can just as easily engage Tommy without neutralizing it, it's kind of moot. Sure, there's risk, but it's like you're 100% bulletproof even without the rail gun; you still have a vital part of your head exposed, so there's arguably a degree of risk with any engagement and doesn't seem that different.
But I bet in spit of this, Tommy's going to last long enough to get his hands on that special gun one last time, but right before he can pull the trigger, the light turns green and the weapon is neutralized.
Oh, gee, I wonder if Kate will need to use the double-ended grappling hook she learned about conveniently earlier in the episode....Nah.....
Hmm....so the suit can cause a bullet from the best commercially available handgun bounce off it; should Kate even be able to feel Tommy standing on her hand? Or, I guess, should it hurt? How would that work?
The save by Beth might be more meaningful if she hadn't killed a guy earlier in the episode; or showed any kind of signs that she should be rehabilitated and that this was a positive step forward. Instead it seems more like a plot convenience; and a pointless one, because what does it achieve? Are we supposed to see hope for her now?
Wait, "she could have found one of Beth's recitals online"?
From 15 years ago? Probably not. I had to look to be sure, and Youtube wasn't created until 2005; and I know there were no doubt precursors to Youtube, but I honestly can't think of any; at least none of any prominence and certain none that I can think to find now to look up some video that might have been put up back before 2004. Streaming video was rare back then; at least as much as I recall it.
Yet another reason they shouldn't have set the "accident" so long ago.
Augh, I remember catching the tail end of this episode when watching a Supergirl episode a few weeks back; and seeing the whole "what should we call her?" exchange; and it's just as stupid now as it was then that any of the characters are struggling that hard to come up with "Batwoman". I mean, seriously, "Batchick"? Fuck you.
But those are under ideal circumstances, which these are not. Beth is not Beth anymore, she's clearly seen some shit; and more than that, she's evidently become a murderous psychopath and arguably unhinged from reality. She's not the little girl you knew, Kate; and for that matter, neither are you. Again, it's been 15 years. I can't remember if they said how old they were when the accident happened, I think maybe 11 or 12, 13 tops; so just as a numbers perspective they've been out of each other's lives long than they've been in them; and even if each has continually been in the other's thoughts the last 15 years, that's a long time apart, especially for that period of life and development, that neither of them bears much resemblance of whatever memory they have of one another, to say nothing of how much they may have idealized or even maybe twisted and vilified that memory. Kate says this as if Beth disappeared a few months ago and that she knows a more recent version of her sister this woman could conceivably return to - imagine your own sibling wanting to have the same relationship you had at 12. I'm pretty far removed from 12 at this point, a couple of times over, and the relationship with my siblings is not the same as it was then; and I wouldn't want it to be. I get that Kate might lament missing out on the interim developments, but especially in the case of Alice/Beth, that 15 year span in between has arguably more significance than your run of the mill estranged family member; because it's resulted in a person who has not only been traumatized, ostensibly, but who themselves have become a dangerous person. One who is responsible for actions that can't just be ignored for the sake or family reunion.
To much the same end, I can't help but wonder what's taken Beth so long to come back and enact whatever it is she's doing in Gotham or why she's doing it. 15 years is a long fucking time to be this crazy and hell bent, before she seeks satisfaction. It's conceivable she was locked up for a period of time or something, but it seems like the only reason they made it that long was so that it could be a long enough time for Beth to be unrecognizable and her identity be in doubt. It arguably would have made more sense to make her disappearance a more recent thing - maybe 3 years and present the possibility that it somehow coincided with Batman's disappearance; and then have her hide her face for some reason, maybe because she became disfigured or something. At least then she'd have a clearer bond with an adult Kate.
The way they framed the TV ad with Tommy, I honestly thought it was meant to be another security firm, similar to the Crows; and it was mainly later when someone mentions have having contract with the Crows that I had to go back to see that the ad was for real estate or whatever.
Still, in hindsight I'm slightly disappointed, because having someone like Tommy and knowing who he is from the comics, the idea of him being in charge of a rival security firm and in the business keeping people safe would be, objectively, a terrible thing, but from the creative, dramatic perspective, loaded with all kinds of now missed possibilities.
Jesus, Tommy, we get it, you have an incredibly small penis and are desperate to overcompensate. I can't tell which of us cares less, me or Kate....It's probably a draw.
So many things to unpack with this break-in at the Wayne-Tech vault.
First, and I guess they've referenced this before - Luke actually has contact with Bruce, or at least that's the implication with Luke saying he'd better inform Bruce. So unless Luke is just covering and making it seem like he's actually in regular contact with Bruce, but is in fact just as clueless where he is as the rest of the world, Bruce himself is not missing, he just up and left Gotham - which is dumb and out of character, generally speaking.
Second, who is running Wayne Enterprises? The building Kate broke into in the first episode was boarded up and seemingly abandoned; and there was no clear indication what the company overall was up to, but ever since she initially made her way into the building, now she comes and goes from Bruce's office - presumably mostly because of the access to the cave - yet there doesn't seem to be any implication that she's take on any sort of role within the Wayne Enterprises company; right? So who's even in charge?
The last one I guess would be just a general observation that they're taking a long fucking time to origin story here. It's episode 3 and haven't even caught Kate up to where she was last year during the cross-over. Instead they're dicking around with this whole mistaken identity with Batman for way too long; though I won't be surprise if by the end of this episode they decide to have Kate declare her independence from "Batman" by adding the final touches that make it clear she's not the same person. But they should have gotten there already, mainly because of the fact that they've already established as a fully established and active vigilante/hero in her own right a year ago and they're backtracking, which makes little sense.
Wait, why the fuck would Bruce have Wayne-Tech develop a gun of any kind? Don't give me that shit that "he had it developed in case the suit ever fell into the wrong hands." Fuck you. Settings the apparent literal magic woven into this special material the suit is made of that can cause a bullet to bounce off it; yet was simply enough for Luke to alter to fit Kate; surely there must be a world of alternate options for safe-guarding this sort of tech before Bruce fucking Wayne of all people commissioned a gun that could best this miracle armor - especially rather than fast track R&D of the material the suit was made of to make it cost effective enough to make it available to law enforcement and anyone else who might benefit from such incredible protection. I mean, surely just by virtue of being bulletproof doesn't in itself make you the end all, be all of unstoppable threats, right? Because by this logic it seems that Bruce equated the effectiveness of the suit as somehow more dangerous than the weapon he had designed to undermine the effectiveness of the suit.
Oh, okay, "If Bruce built that rail gun, he built something that could stop it" - talk about your fucking rabbit holes. So Bruce developed the armor for the Batsuit, which he then in turned developed the gun to take out the Batsuit should the need arise, but now we're supposing that he then must have developed something to stop the rail gun. So would he have wanted to work on something that could take out the thing that can stop the rail gun? What about a thing to stop the thing that stops the rail gun?
I often like to say for most shows "the lie is better" - as in, whatever pretense or lie a character tells, often that would have been the better truth or reality for the story to work with; and in this case, the "lie" that the rail gun had a gps tracker hidden it arguably should be true. Don't get me wrong, it's a good bluff; and it might a dubious idea should that rail gun inexplicably become commercially available, but definitely while it's in the R&D stage and especially being so dangerous, it should not have been left to chance and some steps of tracking it should it be stolen should have been taken.
Oh, man, I hope the elevator with the wait staff in it make it out alright.
No, I'm serious, out of all the characters they've introduced, the only ones I could actually give a shit about are the ones they never bothered actually saying two words, yet they seem more sympathetic virtually anyone else whose life is presently in peril.
I know they've stuck close to Tommy's backstory, yet somehow they've managed to make him a pathetic, whiny bitch instead of psycho he should be. Mind you, I was never much a fan of Hush, so maybe there's no good way to do that character the way he's written in the comics.
Well fuck. I swear to God I wrote that part about the wait staff long before I got to the part where Tommy actually killed the wait staff...
Now I don't care what happens. I mean, I don't want Tommy to win, but I don't give a shit if the other characters plummet to their deaths. Not now they've killed Charles, Mike and Michael B. That's right, they have names. Charles was a dancer, studied at Julliard. Michael's going to have a baby with his long time girlfriend, but he didn't know yet; she was going to tell him when he got home. Mike didn't have much in particular going on, he was just living day by day, trying to figure out life....
Damn you Tommy!! Damn you all to hell.....
Like, Kate's step-sister Mary's alright; she's cute, but I can't decide if she's pulling a Bruce Wayne and only pretending to be a party girl to cover for her being a secret street doctor; or if she legitimately is trying to lead both kinds of lives. Other than the that, I don't give a shit if he pushes the button.
Wait, are any of those people in the elevator that crashed alive? How? They made it a huge point how high up they had to go to get to the party and none of them were on the elevator very long before Tommy stopped them; it's not like it only crashed one or two floors; they achieved free fall. Presumably that should have hit with a force no one survives, I would think.
At least the hair looks better than in Elseworlds.
I mean, if you can just get the upper hand on the fucker and take him out, is it really "stalling" versus just getting the job done without needing to neutralize the rail gun? Obviously it's a good advantage to have, but if you can just as easily engage Tommy without neutralizing it, it's kind of moot. Sure, there's risk, but it's like you're 100% bulletproof even without the rail gun; you still have a vital part of your head exposed, so there's arguably a degree of risk with any engagement and doesn't seem that different.
But I bet in spit of this, Tommy's going to last long enough to get his hands on that special gun one last time, but right before he can pull the trigger, the light turns green and the weapon is neutralized.
Oh, gee, I wonder if Kate will need to use the double-ended grappling hook she learned about conveniently earlier in the episode....Nah.....
Hmm....so the suit can cause a bullet from the best commercially available handgun bounce off it; should Kate even be able to feel Tommy standing on her hand? Or, I guess, should it hurt? How would that work?
The save by Beth might be more meaningful if she hadn't killed a guy earlier in the episode; or showed any kind of signs that she should be rehabilitated and that this was a positive step forward. Instead it seems more like a plot convenience; and a pointless one, because what does it achieve? Are we supposed to see hope for her now?
Wait, "she could have found one of Beth's recitals online"?
From 15 years ago? Probably not. I had to look to be sure, and Youtube wasn't created until 2005; and I know there were no doubt precursors to Youtube, but I honestly can't think of any; at least none of any prominence and certain none that I can think to find now to look up some video that might have been put up back before 2004. Streaming video was rare back then; at least as much as I recall it.
Yet another reason they shouldn't have set the "accident" so long ago.
Augh, I remember catching the tail end of this episode when watching a Supergirl episode a few weeks back; and seeing the whole "what should we call her?" exchange; and it's just as stupid now as it was then that any of the characters are struggling that hard to come up with "Batwoman". I mean, seriously, "Batchick"? Fuck you.