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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 3, 2019 16:36:38 GMT
For those of you more familiar with the new canon, what's the deal with the Mandalorian not being allowed to show his face to anyone? If I remember correctly, Mandalorians in The Clone Wars and Rebels take their helmets off all the time. So what's the deal here?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 4, 2019 0:30:03 GMT
For those of you more familiar with the new canon, what's the deal with the Mandalorian not being allowed to show his face to anyone? If I remember correctly, Mandalorians in The Clone Wars and Rebels take their helmets off all the time. So what's the deal here? I don’t know. But if seems like they’re borrowing from Legends mythos. In Legends the top ruling Mandalorian of all of the clans was given the title “Mandalore”. And once they became Mandalore their identity was to remain secret (at penalty of death). And they were never allowed to remove their helmet/have their helmet removed. |
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Post by Archelaus on Dec 4, 2019 1:15:49 GMT
Good question. I suppose it's something we have to wait for the show to answer. Also, The Clone Wars and Rebels are set during the Old Republic and the Galactic Empire era. This show is set after Return of the Jedi. So, I suppose something changed concerning their culture.
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 4, 2019 12:57:15 GMT
For those of you more familiar with the new canon, what's the deal with the Mandalorian not being allowed to show his face to anyone? If I remember correctly, Mandalorians in The Clone Wars and Rebels take their helmets off all the time. So what's the deal here? As much as they say "everything is canon", lets get real. The cartoons, comics, and books aren't canon. They live-action people don't care about it when making new content.
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 4, 2019 12:58:32 GMT
I have a question and am going to leech off the title/purpose of the thread.
Since when aren't the Fetts Mandalorians? I've been seeing that statement float around social media ever since this show started. "Jango and Boba aren't real Mandalorians." Since when?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 4, 2019 14:21:58 GMT
I have a question and am going to leech off the title/purpose of the thread. Since when aren't the Fetts Mandalorians? I've been seeing that statement float around social media ever since this show started. "Jango and Boba aren't real Mandalorians." Since when? Since Disney took over, but that's apparently from Lucas himself.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 4, 2019 14:26:52 GMT
As much as they say "everything is canon", lets get real. The cartoons, comics, and books aren't canon. They live-action people don't care about it when making new content. I very much doubt that is true in this case. Dave Filoni is an executive producer and he was heavily involved with both animated series. There have already been numerous references to both shows in this series, so I don't think they're discarding anything from those shows. There's going to be an explanation for this change at some point....
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 4, 2019 14:28:17 GMT
I have a question and am going to leech off the title/purpose of the thread. Since when aren't the Fetts Mandalorians? I've been seeing that statement float around social media ever since this show started. "Jango and Boba aren't real Mandalorians." Since when? Since Disney took over, but that's apparently from Lucas himself. What did Disney do to confirm that? When I watch this show or the movies, I don't see anything saying they can't be real Mandos. When did this happen? |
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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 4, 2019 14:53:41 GMT
What did Disney do to confirm that? When I watch this show or the movies, I don't see anything saying they can't be real Mandos. When did this happen? Sorry, this actually happened before Disney took over. It was part of The Clone Wars TV series, and it apparently came from Lucas. Since Disney dumped the EU and only kept the movies and TV series in their new canon, that became the current state of things. If we ever get that live-action Boba Fett show (I hope we don't), I expect this issue will be addressed more in the live action shows. Of course there's nothing to say whether or not the Fett were Mandalorians in just the movies. That's why they were Mandalorians in the old EU. But, apparently Lucas said he never meant for them to be Mandalorians. Whether that's true or it's just Lucas revising history again is anyone's guess....
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 4, 2019 15:03:08 GMT
Since Disney took over, but that's apparently from Lucas himself. What did Disney do to confirm that? When I watch this show or the movies, I don't see anything saying they can't be real Mandos. When did this happen? It’s always been hinted at. Even in the movies Jango and Boba are never called Mandalorians. They are always called bounty hunters or referred to as wearing Mandalorian armor. And they are never referred to as being a representative of the Mandalorian people or planet.. Lucas’ commentary on their characters has harmonized with this. And it was confirmed outright in an episode of CWAS (Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series). Season 2, episode 12 titled “The Mandalore Plot”.
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Post by dazz on Dec 4, 2019 17:04:05 GMT
For those of you more familiar with the new canon, what's the deal with the Mandalorian not being allowed to show his face to anyone? If I remember correctly, Mandalorians in The Clone Wars and Rebels take their helmets off all the time. So what's the deal here? I don't think it was specifically stated but an interpretation from the last episode of the show is that because the Mando isn't Mandalorian by birth but a foundling, meaning he was taken in by the Mandalorian's after he lost his family as a kid, and that this is part of his journey to become a true Mandalorian, he is allowed to show himself to others but if he does he isn't allowed to put the armour back on, I assume this maybe tied in with him not having his own signet or whatever it is, maybe until he earns it and so his own "house" as it were or whatever he is not allowed to take it off, where as the other Mandalorian's we saw in Clone Wars & Rebels were "true" Mandalorians from established houses and such so they were allowed to remove their armour.
Just a theory though.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 4, 2019 17:48:15 GMT
For those of you more familiar with the new canon, what's the deal with the Mandalorian not being allowed to show his face to anyone? If I remember correctly, Mandalorians in The Clone Wars and Rebels take their helmets off all the time. So what's the deal here? I don't think it was specifically stated but an interpretation from the last episode of the show is that because the Mando isn't Mandalorian by birth but a foundling, meaning he was taken in by the Mandalorian's after he lost his family as a kid, and that this is part of his journey to become a true Mandalorian, he is allowed to show himself to others but if he does he isn't allowed to put the armour back on, I assume this maybe tied in with him not having his own signet or whatever it is, maybe until he earns it and so his own "house" as it were or whatever he is not allowed to take it off, where as the other Mandalorian's we saw in Clone Wars & Rebels were "true" Mandalorians from established houses and such so they were allowed to remove their armour.
Just a theory though.
There are a few theories out there that I've come across since creating this thread. Your's is a theory out there. However, I don't think that's it, as none of these Mandalorians seem to take off their helmets. I'm leaning more towards them having changed their code since the Clone Wars/pre-OT era or it being something specific to this particular sect of Mandalorians. We'll have to wait and see....
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 4, 2019 17:51:02 GMT
What did Disney do to confirm that? When I watch this show or the movies, I don't see anything saying they can't be real Mandos. When did this happen? It’s always been hinted at. Even in the movies Jango and Boba are never called Mandalorians. They are always called bounty hunters or referred to as wearing Mandalorian armor. And they are never referred to as being a representative of the Mandalorian people or planet.. Lucas’ commentary on their characters has harmonized with this. And it was confirmed outright in an episode of CWAS (Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series). Season 2, episode 12 titled “The Mandalore Plot”. It is NOT hinted at in the movies. |
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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 4, 2019 18:39:51 GMT
It is NOT hinted at in the movies. It's really not hinted either way in the movies. The term "Mandalorian" is never used in the films, and no real references to Jango's ancestry are made. So it really can go either way....
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 4, 2019 20:22:48 GMT
It is NOT hinted at in the movies. It's really not hinted either way in the movies. The term "Mandalorian" is never used in the films, and no real references to Jango's ancestry are made. So it really can go either way.... It's not hinted at, because - like you said - the term didn't even exist yet. It's just like with "sith". But the entire Mandslorian lore is built around Boba Fett. It's kind of a given he is or was one at some point in the creative process. But him not being one? Never heard of it until this show. There's no real evidence either. The show continues the tradition of them being bounty hunters too. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 5, 2019 2:41:03 GMT
It's really not hinted either way in the movies. The term "Mandalorian" is never used in the films, and no real references to Jango's ancestry are made. So it really can go either way.... It's not hinted at, because - like you said - the term didn't even exist yet. It's just like with "sith". But the entire Mandslorian lore is built around Boba Fett. It's kind of a given he is or was one at some point in the creative process. But him not being one? Never heard of it until this show. There's no real evidence either. The show continues the tradition of them being bounty hunters too. Obviously some people have “heard of this before the show”. Because you eluded that other people brought it up to you. And I KNOW I’ve been aware of the rumor since at least the prequels. |
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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 5, 2019 3:59:29 GMT
Obviously some people have “heard of this before the show”. Because you eluded that other people brought it up to you. And I KNOW I’ve been aware of the rumor since at least the prequels. I always thought Boba Fett was overrated anyway, and making him a clone kind of ruined him even more for me. The backstory they eluded to in the EU was much more intriguing than what Lucas ended up doing with him in the prequels....
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 5, 2019 12:58:24 GMT
It's not hinted at, because - like you said - the term didn't even exist yet. It's just like with "sith". But the entire Mandslorian lore is built around Boba Fett. It's kind of a given he is or was one at some point in the creative process. But him not being one? Never heard of it until this show. There's no real evidence either. The show continues the tradition of them being bounty hunters too. Obviously some people have “heard of this before the show”. Because you eluded that other people brought it up to you. And I KNOW I’ve been aware of the rumor since at least the prequels. I'm talking about recently. I never heard this rumor until The Mandalorian. Now, "they aren't real Mandalorians" is all over social media because of this show. And frankly, there's no proof of it at all. I know of that snippet from The Clone Wars. I have discovered that since trying to get an answer about all of this. I know you're a fan of the show, which is fine, but let's be real. That stuff isn't on the same level as the live-action stuff. Hell, as Jan pointed out the whole not being allowed to take your helmet off thing is brand new and negates that whole aspect of The Clone Wars. The live action stuff overrides everything else.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 5, 2019 14:48:08 GMT
Hell, as Jan pointed out the whole not being allowed to take your helmet off thing is brand new and negates that whole aspect of The Clone Wars. The live action stuff overrides everything else. I'm fairly positive this will be explained to make it all flush. The Mandalorians who remove their helmets are all shown from the pre-OT era. This shows occurs post ROTJ, and apparently, according to this show, the Empire did some sort of "purge" of Mandalorians. I doubt they're are "overriding" anything from the cartoons. As I said, Filoni is an executive producer. I also used to think the cartoons would have no influence of the live-action stuff until Saw Gerrera showed up in Rogue One and Darth Maul (stupidly) showed up in Solo. Now I wouldn't discount anything from the animated series....
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