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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2019 22:41:11 GMT
I assume the movie’s been out long enough for me to not have to worry about spoiling it for anyone here. Anyway, when the film covered the Wayne murders that we’ve seen a million times by now, I really wish they would’ve had Bruce die along with his parents. If they had done that, it would’ve been the perfect way of ensuring that there wouldn’t be any sequels with Batman. We also wouldn’t have had to deal with stupid rumors like this or this. |
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Post by dazz on Dec 5, 2019 13:50:21 GMT
You put a lot of faith in both the public not being total dipshits, and the studios not being such money grubbing whores if you think a little thing like killing off Bruce in one movie would somehow prevent either of those from happening.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 5, 2019 15:40:45 GMT
You put a lot of faith in both the public not being total dipshits, and the studios not being such money grubbing whores if you think a little thing like killing off Bruce in one movie would somehow prevent either of those from happening. How would they be able to do sequels with Batman if Batman is dead?
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Post by dazz on Dec 5, 2019 15:59:07 GMT
You put a lot of faith in both the public not being total dipshits, and the studios not being such money grubbing whores if you think a little thing like killing off Bruce in one movie would somehow prevent either of those from happening. How would they be able to do sequels with Batman if Batman is dead? Well the obvious is Fleck is a unreliable narrator and so those events could just be a figment of his imagination, even if in Joker they specifically show Bruce being killed and acknowledged as being dead by randoms not associated with Fleck at all. they would just retcon it to being his imagination in the next movie.
I mean you ever see how they made a sequel to Highlander? ^this idea^ is 1000x more plausible than the plot and explanation for that fucking movie, and they made several more after that also...money dude studios will not let a little thing like continuity or plot stand in the way of a quick buck.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Dec 7, 2019 21:59:13 GMT
I assume the movie’s been out long enough for me to not have to worry about spoiling it for anyone here. Anyway, when the film covered the Wayne murders that we’ve seen a million times by now, I really wish they would’ve had Bruce die along with his parents. If they had done that, it would’ve been the perfect way of ensuring that there wouldn’t be any sequels with Batman. We also wouldn’t have had to deal with stupid rumors like this or this.You can't kill Batman. He is the most popular superhero in the world, and the most profitable one.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 7, 2019 22:04:31 GMT
I assume the movie’s been out long enough for me to not have to worry about spoiling it for anyone here. Anyway, when the film covered the Wayne murders that we’ve seen a million times by now, I really wish they would’ve had Bruce die along with his parents. If they had done that, it would’ve been the perfect way of ensuring that there wouldn’t be any sequels with Batman. We also wouldn’t have had to deal with stupid rumors like this or this.You can't kill Batman. He is the most popular superhero in the world, and the most profitable one.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 8, 2019 1:58:09 GMT
Between this and the "is this a Batman movie?" thread - in which the unanimous answer was "no" - I'm wondering what people thought the actual point of this movie was and its relation to DC comics.
To me, the point was to examine what causes the crime in Gotham and why Batman's methods are inherently misguided. The old "he could do more to fight crime as Bruce Wayne than Batman" cliche.
According to this board, it's just a movie about some deranged clown who only happens to be called Joker and any actual connection to the comics is irrelevant.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 8, 2019 2:12:35 GMT
Between this and the "is this a Batman movie?" thread - in which the unanimous answer was "no" - I'm wondering what people thought the actual point of this movie was and its relation to DC comics. To me, the point was to examine what causes the crime in Gotham and why Batman's methods are inherently misguided. The old "he could do more to fight crime as Bruce Wayne than Batman" cliche. According to this board, it's just a movie about some deranged clown who only happens to be called Joker and any actual connection to the comics is irrelevant. I think it falls somewhere in between.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Dec 8, 2019 12:47:11 GMT
Between this and the "is this a Batman movie?" thread - in which the unanimous answer was "no" - I'm wondering what It's not a Batman movie, it's a movie belonging to the Batman Movie Franchise, and YES, it is about the real Joker. The spirit and the characteristics are on there.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 10, 2019 3:54:04 GMT
Between this and the "is this a Batman movie?" thread - in which the unanimous answer was "no" - I'm wondering what It's not a Batman movie, it's a movie belonging to the Batman Movie Franchise, and YES, it is about the real Joker. The spirit and the characteristics are on there. I guess you're correct because you used bold. My argument had no bolding and thus was no match. |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Dec 17, 2019 15:42:54 GMT
It's not a Batman movie, it's a movie belonging to the Batman Movie Franchise, and YES, it is about the real Joker. The spirit and the characteristics are on there. I guess you're correct because you used bold. My argument had no bolding and thus was no match. You nailed it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 18, 2019 23:19:18 GMT
I guess you're correct because you used bold. My argument had no bolding and thus was no match. You nailed it. Also, cutting off and ignoring my whole argument before responding with yours - another great tactic. I'm writing this stuff down. |
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Dec 20, 2019 0:42:37 GMT
Also, cutting off and ignoring my whole argument before responding with yours - another great tactic. I'm writing this stuff down. Well, there's no argument. Everyone knows that Arthur Fleck nicely embodies the spirit and the characteristics of The Joker in his early phase of life. It's The Joker, not a deranged clown. That's it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 20, 2019 1:03:07 GMT
Also, cutting off and ignoring my whole argument before responding with yours - another great tactic. I'm writing this stuff down. Well, there's no argument. Everyone knows that Arthur Fleck nicely embodies the spirit and the characteristics of The Joker in his early phase of life. It's The Joker, not a deranged clown. That's it. There's no argument because that's not what I said. Quite the opposite. I'm saying he IS The Joker, and this IS a Batman movie because it's examining why criminals like Joker exists and thus why Batman exists, and why his methods are not the solution to Gotham's problems. I think the premise that Bruce and his family are in the movie as meaningless fan service and it should just be some Joker tale that exists in a vacuum is strange, and I'm trying to understand the thought process there. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 20, 2019 5:25:12 GMT
Well, there's no argument. Everyone knows that Arthur Fleck nicely embodies the spirit and the characteristics of The Joker in his early phase of life. It's The Joker, not a deranged clown. That's it. There's no argument because that's not what I said. Quite the opposite. I'm saying he IS The Joker, and this IS a Batman movie because it's examining why criminals like Joker exists and thus why Batman exists, and why his methods are not the solution to Gotham's problems. I think the premise that Bruce and his family are in the movie as meaningless fan service and it should just be some Joker tale that exists in a vacuum is strange, and I'm trying to understand the thought process there. For me personally, I just don’t like the idea of the movie potentially spawning yet another new universe of Batman films. The movie was pitched as an experimental standalone made in the style of a Martin Scorsese film, and I’d rather it stay that way. Killing off Bruce Wayne would’ve been a perfect way of reinforcing the idea that the movie is supposed to be a one-off. Instead, we now have to worry about the possibility that the movie will either connect to the Robert Pattinson films, or that it’s going to kickstart its own comic book movie universe.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 20, 2019 5:44:33 GMT
There's no argument because that's not what I said. Quite the opposite. I'm saying he IS The Joker, and this IS a Batman movie because it's examining why criminals like Joker exists and thus why Batman exists, and why his methods are not the solution to Gotham's problems. I think the premise that Bruce and his family are in the movie as meaningless fan service and it should just be some Joker tale that exists in a vacuum is strange, and I'm trying to understand the thought process there. For me personally, I just don’t like the idea of the movie potentially spawning yet another new universe of Batman films. The movie was pitched as an experimental stand-alone made in the style of a Martin Scorsese film, and I’d rather it stay that way. Killing off Bruce Wayne would’ve been a perfect way of reinforcing the idea that the movie is supposed to be a one-off. Instead, we now have to worry about the possibility that the movie will either connect to the Robert Pattinson films, or that it’s going to kickstart its own comic book movie universe. Well, I'm with you on preferring it as a standalone movie, although with it making so much money, probably the only way to keep it standalone would have been to kill off Joker himself. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 20, 2019 7:17:16 GMT
For me personally, I just don’t like the idea of the movie potentially spawning yet another new universe of Batman films. The movie was pitched as an experimental stand-alone made in the style of a Martin Scorsese film, and I’d rather it stay that way. Killing off Bruce Wayne would’ve been a perfect way of reinforcing the idea that the movie is supposed to be a one-off. Instead, we now have to worry about the possibility that the movie will either connect to the Robert Pattinson films, or that it’s going to kickstart its own comic book movie universe. Well, I'm with you on preferring it as a standalone movie, although with it making so much money, probably the only way to keep it standalone would have been to kill off Joker himself. I’m holding out hope that Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix will ultimately say no to doing sequels. If they say no to sequels, then it probably will remain a one-off.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Dec 20, 2019 11:13:34 GMT
Well, there's no argument. Everyone knows that Arthur Fleck nicely embodies the spirit and the characteristics of The Joker in his early phase of life. It's The Joker, not a deranged clown. That's it. There's no argument because that's not what I said. Quite the opposite. I'm saying he IS The Joker, and this IS a Batman movie because it's examining why criminals like Joker exists and thus why Batman exists, and why his methods are not the solution to Gotham's problems. I think the premise that Bruce and his family are in the movie as meaningless fan service and it should just be some Joker tale that exists in a vacuum is strange, and I'm trying to understand the thought process there. Proper and legit. You're 100% right. I intercepted that.
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Post by northernlad on Jan 4, 2020 21:46:59 GMT
I just saw this movie...and I can't believe I'm saying it, but I hope it's not a stand alone movie. How can you see this movie and not want to see more?
I will go on record as saying I thought making this movie was a huge mistake...but after seeing it...I can't say I hated it. There has to be more!
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 5, 2020 19:44:44 GMT
I just saw this movie...and I can't believe I'm saying it, but I hope it's not a stand alone movie. How can you see this movie and not want to see more? I will go on record as saying I thought making this movie was a huge mistake...but after seeing it...I can't say I hated it. There has to be more! Why do you say think there has to be more?
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