Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 5, 2019 5:21:25 GMT
Well this just proves my theory, I think, that Oliver isn't going to die in Crisis - I had to double check what number episode this is, because it's honestly hard to remember between all the different show, even though they air clustered together bit, some take breaks at different time. I knew this was close to the end of the run, but I figured this must be episode 9 with Crisis coming up, but it's episode 7. Depending on whether the 5 episode arc counts towards the individual episode count for a given series or not, means there are 3 episodes left after this one; which may or may not include the "Arrow contribution" to Crisis, meaning there's at least two episodes after Crisis which finish out the series and it seems implausible that Stephen Amell wouldn't be in the last two episodes....
And here, I thought half the reason they planned this out the way they did was to basically end the series with Crisis - although I couldn't quite reconcile how they were going to give the series its due with a proper finale, without it being overshadowed with the crossover event.
Wait, what fuckery is this; how was what happened in the last episode meant to teach Oliver to "work with the Monitor to save the multiverse"?? Fuck you. Last week you said the lesson was to learn to accept your fate or whatever bullshit.
And again, I repeat, this should arguably have been Barry's story. I get that Arrow is the grand-daddy of the Arrowverse and this is its final season, but one of the reasons I feel this way is that there's something dissonant about hearing Oliver Queen talking about saving the multiverse. Obviously exists in such a world where travel between universes and metahumans and all that shit is a thing, but this isn't his jam, it's Barry's; Oliver is ultimately just a regular guy with good aim. Obviously he's going to play some type of role in all of this, but for a series that started out so earnestly, grounding itself more in reality, before giving in to the more surreal elements of the comics in order to pave way for the spin-offs, a cosmic journey doesn't seem like the right arc to go out on. Yeah, do a victory lap and revisit your places your greatest hits took place in, but this shit just seems weird.
Add to that, that both Oliver and Barry have spent this whole season assuming themselves to be dead men walking, it makes the two personal arcs for the two main characters of the respective shows seem redundant.
If the Monitor was going to ask anyone to go on missions for him around the universe or expose him to an alternate reality to teach him to trust the Monitor and agree to help him, it arguably should have been Barry. I'd like to think it would have been more entertaining than the shit we've been watching for the last two months with Bloodwork, but honestly, having watched the way they played some of this shit out on Arrow, I just don't know.
I don't know what that would leave for Oliver and crew, but arguably they could have taken a page from Supergirl, which has been to largely ignore that a Crisis was coming; which apart from the meandering stories they chose to tell in the interim, was largely a refreshing choice. Who knows, maybe Barry could have fought Rama Kahn - Supergirl sure as hell didn't need both him and Lena to deal with at the same time; and the whole Rama Kahn/Leviathan thing seemed half-assed. It's probably not done, but God I hope it is.
Whether that would have meant the brat pack still arrived from the future when they did, I don't know. It was such a deus ex machina, it really doesn't matter if it would have fit with any other story, because it didn't really fit with the story they did end up doing; and given their role in the last episode or two, it probably could have waited until it got closer to Crisis and worked it in as the early indicators of the Crisis and anti-matter wave, where the walls of time weaken.
Wait, what? I swear Oliver already told them that he wasn't meant to survive Crisis.
You know what they say, showing is better than telling - with all the pointless filler bullshit we've had this season of Arrow, the least they could have done was take 5-10 minutes to give us a flashback of Lyla encountering and joining forces with the Monitor to fill int he blanks. Her explanation of it just lacks any substance to care or believe that she made the right decision.
Plus, I don't feel like it does Harbinger's character from the original Crisis justice. She was devoted to the Monitor for saving her life, which made
Oh, no, the B Team and Roy's plane is being shot down....?
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"Gee, thanks."
Fucking William....
"I was raised by Felicity too."
Fuck you, William wasn't fucking raised by Felicity. She was in his life for like, two year, tops; and that's cumulative, not even consecutive. That includes Felicity tutoring him before she and Oliver got back together.
Can I say how much I'm enjoying the lack of Felicity? I don't say it enough, because it's so easy to overlook, but it is perhaps the best part of the season.
Well that was the stupidest fucking thing to ever be fucking stupid. Why the hell did the mercenaries even let Oliver draw his weapon, let alone do whatever bullshit he was doing putting his hands over his head and turning around first? The second he reached for his own gun every single one of those mercs with a gun trained on him should have emptied their ammo in him. Why? SO HE CAN'T SHOOT THEM FIRST! You know, the thing he was able to do, because they didn't fire as soon as he went for his weapon.
I'm not saying I want Oliver dead, but come on; the only reason he isn't is because the writers made his opposition too fucking stupid.
Huh... I hadn't necessarily forgotten that Roy lost his arm in the comics, but I hadn't really thought about them adapting that on the series. Bold choice, maybe a little forced here, what with enemies on the way and sparks near jet fuel... could be worse, I suppose. Kind of feel like maybe Oliver should have been the one in Diggle's position, but on the other hand (no pun intended) I'm not sure which of them, Oliver or Diggle, had the closer relationship with Roy. I want to say Oliver, since he invariably provide his major training for a very brief period, but man, it's been a long time since Roy was part of the core group.
Augh....Fucking Mia.... I'm really not looking forward to Green Arrow and the Canaries or whatever they're calling the prospective spin-off series....
So the nets they're caught up in are braided steal, but the one rope securing both of them is apparently made out of match sticks...
When given the order to kill Team Arrow, why the do some of the bad guys start rushing them instead of firing the guns they all presumably have; especially when some of them do start firing and those rushing towards Team Arrow are putting themselves in the line of fire?
Also, lining up like they did might look like a novel display of force, but it also seems like a tactically bad idea, seeing as if the bad guys were half-way competent they would have all started firing and mowed Team Arrow down before they could pull an arrow or do whatever they were going to do. Here again, the heroes live only because the bad guys are too fucking stupid to kill them.
Fucking William.... Why the hell didn't you check and confirm whose DNA sequence was needed to activate the weapon, before pulling Oliver (and inexplicably Diggle) from the battle??
"How much time do we have before the Crisis?"
Well, it apparently starts at midnight in Central City. Looking up where Central City is in the comics, it might be in Kansas or Pennsylvania. Interestingly enough, there's a real Central City in Kentucky and in Colorado. Lian Yu is in the north China sea, so spit-balling the time difference between China and Pennsylvania is 13 hours and China and Kansas is 14 hours - so around 1-2 pm.
Seriously, he's giving Rene and Dinah a farewell before talking to Mia? That's cold, Oliver. Especially seeing how, when he addressed "you two" I was looking away from the TV and assumed, naturally, that he was finally talking to William and Mia - you know, like how that was a plot point earlier in the episode, that he needed to do that?
"Something tells me you're going to create your own stories."
I half expected a scrolling promo or something to appear on screen saying, "Green Arrow and the Canaries, coming this fall!"
"Lyla?"
"Not anymore. I'm not a harbinger of things to come."
Fuck you writers. That was so fucking forced......
And here, I thought half the reason they planned this out the way they did was to basically end the series with Crisis - although I couldn't quite reconcile how they were going to give the series its due with a proper finale, without it being overshadowed with the crossover event.
Wait, what fuckery is this; how was what happened in the last episode meant to teach Oliver to "work with the Monitor to save the multiverse"?? Fuck you. Last week you said the lesson was to learn to accept your fate or whatever bullshit.
And again, I repeat, this should arguably have been Barry's story. I get that Arrow is the grand-daddy of the Arrowverse and this is its final season, but one of the reasons I feel this way is that there's something dissonant about hearing Oliver Queen talking about saving the multiverse. Obviously exists in such a world where travel between universes and metahumans and all that shit is a thing, but this isn't his jam, it's Barry's; Oliver is ultimately just a regular guy with good aim. Obviously he's going to play some type of role in all of this, but for a series that started out so earnestly, grounding itself more in reality, before giving in to the more surreal elements of the comics in order to pave way for the spin-offs, a cosmic journey doesn't seem like the right arc to go out on. Yeah, do a victory lap and revisit your places your greatest hits took place in, but this shit just seems weird.
Add to that, that both Oliver and Barry have spent this whole season assuming themselves to be dead men walking, it makes the two personal arcs for the two main characters of the respective shows seem redundant.
If the Monitor was going to ask anyone to go on missions for him around the universe or expose him to an alternate reality to teach him to trust the Monitor and agree to help him, it arguably should have been Barry. I'd like to think it would have been more entertaining than the shit we've been watching for the last two months with Bloodwork, but honestly, having watched the way they played some of this shit out on Arrow, I just don't know.
I don't know what that would leave for Oliver and crew, but arguably they could have taken a page from Supergirl, which has been to largely ignore that a Crisis was coming; which apart from the meandering stories they chose to tell in the interim, was largely a refreshing choice. Who knows, maybe Barry could have fought Rama Kahn - Supergirl sure as hell didn't need both him and Lena to deal with at the same time; and the whole Rama Kahn/Leviathan thing seemed half-assed. It's probably not done, but God I hope it is.
Whether that would have meant the brat pack still arrived from the future when they did, I don't know. It was such a deus ex machina, it really doesn't matter if it would have fit with any other story, because it didn't really fit with the story they did end up doing; and given their role in the last episode or two, it probably could have waited until it got closer to Crisis and worked it in as the early indicators of the Crisis and anti-matter wave, where the walls of time weaken.
Wait, what? I swear Oliver already told them that he wasn't meant to survive Crisis.
You know what they say, showing is better than telling - with all the pointless filler bullshit we've had this season of Arrow, the least they could have done was take 5-10 minutes to give us a flashback of Lyla encountering and joining forces with the Monitor to fill int he blanks. Her explanation of it just lacks any substance to care or believe that she made the right decision.
Plus, I don't feel like it does Harbinger's character from the original Crisis justice. She was devoted to the Monitor for saving her life, which made
her being infected by the Anti-Monitor and betraying the Monitor
that much worse for her. I don't know if they'll still have that plot line play out, but I figured I'd use spoiler tags to be safe.Oh, no, the B Team and Roy's plane is being shot down....?
"Gee, thanks."
Fucking William....
"I was raised by Felicity too."
Fuck you, William wasn't fucking raised by Felicity. She was in his life for like, two year, tops; and that's cumulative, not even consecutive. That includes Felicity tutoring him before she and Oliver got back together.
Can I say how much I'm enjoying the lack of Felicity? I don't say it enough, because it's so easy to overlook, but it is perhaps the best part of the season.
Well that was the stupidest fucking thing to ever be fucking stupid. Why the hell did the mercenaries even let Oliver draw his weapon, let alone do whatever bullshit he was doing putting his hands over his head and turning around first? The second he reached for his own gun every single one of those mercs with a gun trained on him should have emptied their ammo in him. Why? SO HE CAN'T SHOOT THEM FIRST! You know, the thing he was able to do, because they didn't fire as soon as he went for his weapon.
I'm not saying I want Oliver dead, but come on; the only reason he isn't is because the writers made his opposition too fucking stupid.
Huh... I hadn't necessarily forgotten that Roy lost his arm in the comics, but I hadn't really thought about them adapting that on the series. Bold choice, maybe a little forced here, what with enemies on the way and sparks near jet fuel... could be worse, I suppose. Kind of feel like maybe Oliver should have been the one in Diggle's position, but on the other hand (no pun intended) I'm not sure which of them, Oliver or Diggle, had the closer relationship with Roy. I want to say Oliver, since he invariably provide his major training for a very brief period, but man, it's been a long time since Roy was part of the core group.
Augh....Fucking Mia.... I'm really not looking forward to Green Arrow and the Canaries or whatever they're calling the prospective spin-off series....
So the nets they're caught up in are braided steal, but the one rope securing both of them is apparently made out of match sticks...
When given the order to kill Team Arrow, why the do some of the bad guys start rushing them instead of firing the guns they all presumably have; especially when some of them do start firing and those rushing towards Team Arrow are putting themselves in the line of fire?
Also, lining up like they did might look like a novel display of force, but it also seems like a tactically bad idea, seeing as if the bad guys were half-way competent they would have all started firing and mowed Team Arrow down before they could pull an arrow or do whatever they were going to do. Here again, the heroes live only because the bad guys are too fucking stupid to kill them.
Fucking William.... Why the hell didn't you check and confirm whose DNA sequence was needed to activate the weapon, before pulling Oliver (and inexplicably Diggle) from the battle??
"How much time do we have before the Crisis?"
Well, it apparently starts at midnight in Central City. Looking up where Central City is in the comics, it might be in Kansas or Pennsylvania. Interestingly enough, there's a real Central City in Kentucky and in Colorado. Lian Yu is in the north China sea, so spit-balling the time difference between China and Pennsylvania is 13 hours and China and Kansas is 14 hours - so around 1-2 pm.
Seriously, he's giving Rene and Dinah a farewell before talking to Mia? That's cold, Oliver. Especially seeing how, when he addressed "you two" I was looking away from the TV and assumed, naturally, that he was finally talking to William and Mia - you know, like how that was a plot point earlier in the episode, that he needed to do that?
"Something tells me you're going to create your own stories."
I half expected a scrolling promo or something to appear on screen saying, "Green Arrow and the Canaries, coming this fall!"
"Lyla?"
"Not anymore. I'm not a harbinger of things to come."
Fuck you writers. That was so fucking forced......
