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Post by alejandro on Dec 11, 2019 16:07:04 GMT
Oh, so this is where the worst side of the IMDb boards migrated to. Gotcha.
Also...
...then...
Who's entitled to their own opinion again?
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 13, 2019 15:13:45 GMT
I posted a lengthy review (and/or ramble) here, but something I’d like to point out is that there seems to be a murder-mystery revival recently. Not sure what’s causing it, but we have three recent whodunit movies ( Murder on the Orient Express, the Adam Sandler Murder Mystery, and now Knives Out) and all those republished, little-known whodunit novels from the British Library. Of the three recent movies, Knives Out is by far the best, both film-wise and mystery-wise. Are there any recent movies I’m missing? (Thought of one: a Spanish movie, 2017’s Contratiempo. That was good, too, but Knives Out was still better.)
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 13, 2019 15:34:51 GMT
The film was ok. Nothing spectacular but then again nothing outrageously bad.
Yes, The Last Jedi was a complete disaster but it's a shame if you lose all sense of objectivity off the back of it - you're cheating yourself out of that, not Rian Johnson.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 16:39:24 GMT
The film was ok. Nothing spectacular but then again nothing outrageously bad. Yes, The Last Jedi was a complete disaster but it's a shame if you lose all sense of objectivity off the back of it - you're cheating yourself out of that, not Rian Johnson. how is TLJ a disaster? Ita literally the best star wars since empire.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Dec 13, 2019 17:24:15 GMT
The film was ok. Nothing spectacular but then again nothing outrageously bad. Yes, The Last Jedi was a complete disaster but it's a shame if you lose all sense of objectivity off the back of it - you're cheating yourself out of that, not Rian Johnson. how is TLJ a disaster? Ita literally the best star wars since empire.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 17:32:17 GMT
how is TLJ a disaster? Ita literally the best star wars since empire. name a star wars that's better
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Dec 13, 2019 17:37:30 GMT
name a star wars that's better Literally every damn one of them including The Phantom Menace, and that was a pile of crap.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 17:48:30 GMT
name a star wars that's better Literally every damn one of them including The Phantom Menace, and that was a pile of crap. r y freaking kidding. Those are good but they are very different. TLJ was pretty amazing. It had lots of great drama and tension and not to mention the moral.ambiguity and intrigue of rey and kyles relationship. It even got pretty heady when rey was in the mirror tunnel. Let's not forget finn and his gf.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Dec 13, 2019 18:14:58 GMT
Literally every damn one of them including The Phantom Menace, and that was a pile of crap. r y freaking kidding. Those are good but they are very different. TLJ was pretty amazing. It had lots of great drama and tension and not to mention the moral.ambiguity and intrigue of rey and kyles relationship. It even got pretty heady when rey was in the mirror tunnel. Let's not forget finn and his gf.
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Post by Vits on Dec 14, 2019 1:05:42 GMT
8/10
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Post by alejandro on Dec 14, 2019 1:37:21 GMT
The hate for The Last Jedi is ridiculous, and I say that as someone who doesn't care much for the film. The prequels are all much worse, at least The Last Jedi had a half-way competent director at the helm. That said, it isn't even the best film of the Disney trilogy thus far.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 14, 2019 9:21:54 GMT
The hate for The Last Jedi is ridiculous, and I say that as someone who doesn't care much for the film. The prequels are all much worse, at least The Last Jedi had a half-way competent director at the helm. That said, it isn't even the best film of the Disney trilogy thus far. Interesting. What specific aspects of the direction of other films in the "series" would you say were lacking in comparison to TLJ?
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 14, 2019 12:53:01 GMT
This is not Nazi Germany. I am entitled to my opinion. People these days with their herd mentality. Were you always this much of a loon or was I just not paying attention?
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Post by alejandro on Dec 14, 2019 16:47:08 GMT
The hate for The Last Jedi is ridiculous, and I say that as someone who doesn't care much for the film. The prequels are all much worse, at least The Last Jedi had a half-way competent director at the helm. That said, it isn't even the best film of the Disney trilogy thus far. Interesting. What specific aspects of the direction of other films in the "series" would you say were lacking in comparison to TLJ? On a number of fronts, really. The action scenes and choreographies were often too plastic, too rubbery and lended many of the highest stakes moments a lack of dramatic power or expression, opting for "cool moves" and rather inexpressive wide shots to tell sequences that ought to have had a deeper personal weight in the context of the story. The actors all looked utterly confused throughout the films, giving off the impression that either the preparation for the roles was extremely lacking, or that the context for the scene or the atmosphere on set just wasn't achieved. Both of these are the director's fault, especially when it's an issue across the board, whilst every cast member, be it Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackon or even Hayden Christensen himself, all proved to be pretty able as actors in other films. All throughout the films there's a sense of characters being completely at odds with their surroundings, which is also a byproduct of the overreliance on green screen and digital sets. The films as a result feel visually stiff, confused, quite simply awkward. The Last Jedi has many issues, some of them down to the choice of framing and "pure aesthetics over storytelling" approach, but there's no doubt that many of the sequences throughout were visually eyepopping, that the action set-pieces were exciting, that sequences like the telekinetic dialogue between Rey and Kylo Ren were very effective, and that even Mark Hammill himself gave his best performance in the entire saga. The biggest issues with the film at the end of the day lie on the script, the way it spans entire substories that go nowhere or resolve many of the saga's hooks in utterly flippant fashion, whilst also failing to open new points of intrigue moving forward to the last installment of the trilogy/saga. It's all especially hard not to place the blame on the director for some of these faults when he himself is the screenwriter as well, but regardless, from a directorial standpoint it's all executed far better and in a more interesting and audiovisually expressive manner than the prequels, and really just about any of the previous installments in the saga thus far, save maybe Empire and Rogue One.
For a bit of a TL;DR, the issue with The Last Jedi lies a lot more in *what* is being told and in their hate for the film people either ignore or also conflate it with the *how*. However, the latter is extremely strong in The Last Jedi and is where Lucas especially fails at with the prequels - and it's not as if the prequels weren't already outright terrible in the former area as well.
For more on this matter, here's a video worth viewing:
And, well, also the whole Plinkett saga even if he does overplay his nitpicking senile old man role a bit.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 14, 2019 17:04:54 GMT
This is not Nazi Germany. I am entitled to my opinion. People these days with their herd mentality. Were you always this much of a loon or was I just not paying attention? In his defense we never really saw his persecution complex unveil itself because he was always shilling for James Cameron.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 15, 2019 0:30:15 GMT
Interesting. What specific aspects of the direction of other films in the "series" would you say were lacking in comparison to TLJ? On a number of fronts, really. The action scenes and choreographies were often too plastic, too rubbery and lended many of the highest stakes moments a lack of dramatic power or expression, opting for "cool moves" and rather inexpressive wide shots to tell sequences that ought to have had a deeper personal weight in the context of the story. The actors all looked utterly confused throughout the films, giving off the impression that either the preparation for the roles was extremely lacking, or that the context for the scene or the atmosphere on set just wasn't achieved. Both of these are the director's fault, especially when it's an issue across the board, whilst every cast member, be it Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackon or even Hayden Christensen himself, all proved to be pretty able as actors in other films. All throughout the films there's a sense of characters being completely at odds with their surroundings, which is also a byproduct of the overreliance on green screen and digital sets. The films as a result feel visually stiff, confused, quite simply awkward. The Last Jedi has many issues, some of them down to the choice of framing and "pure aesthetics over storytelling" approach, but there's no doubt that many of the sequences throughout were visually eyepopping, that the action set-pieces were exciting, that sequences like the telekinetic dialogue between Rey and Kylo Ren were very effective, and that even Mark Hammill himself gave his best performance in the entire saga. The biggest issues with the film at the end of the day lie on the script, the way it spans entire substories that go nowhere or resolve many of the saga's hooks in utterly flippant fashion, whilst also failing to open new points of intrigue moving forward to the last installment of the trilogy/saga. It's all especially hard not to place the blame on the director for some of these faults when he himself is the screenwriter as well, but regardless, from a directorial standpoint it's all executed far better and in a more interesting and audiovisually expressive manner than the prequels, and really just about any of the previous installments in the saga thus far, save maybe Empire and Rogue One.
For a bit of a TL;DR, the issue with The Last Jedi lies a lot more in *what* is being told and in their hate for the film people either ignore or also conflate it with the *how*. However, the latter is extremely strong in The Last Jedi and is where Lucas especially fails at with the prequels - and it's not as if the prequels weren't already outright terrible in the former area as well.
For more on this matter, here's a video worth viewing:
And, well, also the whole Plinkett saga even if he does overplay his nitpicking senile old man role a bit.
Nice, true points - I'm not sure the acting was completely beyond reproach in TLJ but it's certainly better than it was in either TFA or the prequels. I've actually also said elsewhere on here that from the visual directorial viewpoint there's nothing too wrong with TLJ. The main issue however, like you said, is around the script and with him also responsible for that he has to take full responsibility for the film's overall failing.
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