Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 5, 2019 19:00:28 GMT
"Batman doesn't do goggles."
Lies! I'm fairly certain Batman has used some form of night vision tech in the various incarnations; and has even worn what would invariably be goggles. But it does speak to an observation I was thinking about recently, which is the lack of lenses in the bat-cowl.
I know, conventionally, the live-action bat-people haven't had lenses; you see their eyes - and I contend you shouldn't. It's debatable whether it's comic book accurate, since sometimes they will depict a characters eyes peaking out from behind their mask; and it often looks creepy as hell. At least with Batman though, it could be strategic, where lenses could conceivably serve a purpose; whether shielding his eyes, allowing for a computer display with an interface to the cave computer, or have be multi-functional where it could switch to night vision or thermal or maybe UV.
I get that Alice/Beth knows Kate's identity, but why put on the costume to apprehend her, only to take it off to interrogate her? Seems like that's just extra, unnecessary work; especially since presumably she's not wearing her street clothes underneath, which means taking off the suit and then getting dressed.
I suppose Beth could have been out for a while and Kate just didn't feel like sitting around in the suit, but if I've learned anything from watching Archer, it's that being out for a long time after being hit on the head is super bad.
Guessing the dad is Dollmaker.
It seems odd that Kate keeps calling her Alice, instead of Beth.
What might be an interesting twist is if she's not actually Beth after all. I mean, there'd have to be a halfway decent explanation what happened to the real Beth, if she's still alive, how Alice learned the things she learned, etc.; and not just do it for the sake of bucking expectations, but it could have potential.
I mean, you don't really need to give a kid a super-natural level ability to mimic voices to make it plausible that the call was a prank. This sort of thing happened in at least a few instances of missing persons reported on Unsolved Mysteries - a family member gets a brief call from someone claiming to be that person and they're absolutely convinced it was their voice; only for about half the time it turns out the person died/was murdered shortly after they went missing and the call was made by some jerk who thought it was a good idea. I think it's plausible when in times of crisis, like a missing child, you may be more susceptible to hearing what you want to hear; especially when there are times when a voice over a phone can be in-distinctive from any other person's voice. I'm not sure whether there'd be any difference between the sound quality of a landline versus cellphones, but that probably can't be entirely dismissed either.
For that matter, there have been times I've called someone or they've called me, and even knowing who to expect on the other end, the sound of their voice just saying hello or a few short spoken words, it doesn't immediately sound like them - especially if it were a landline number and other people might have answered or if you dialed the wrong number, you might hesitate and ask to confirm if it's so-and-so, even when it is them and you should know their voice.
And the boy is young enough that sounding like a young girl would not be that difficult; it's not a dig, just a unfortunate fact of life. I remember being that age always being mistaken for my mom when I answered the phone; and celebrated the day they started mistaking me for my dad.
On top of all of that, there's still one time I remember quite clearly from some years back - probably over 20 years ago at this point - a bunch of us were home one evening, I think my sister must have been out somewhere, when someone calls our house phone. The girl on the other end said it was (*Sister's name*). I can't remember now if it actually sounded like her or how the call went, but it was quite clearly not my sister, and I don't think it was a prank, but there was definitely confusion on both ends, in part because of the commonality of the names; and she got upset that we were acting like we didn't know who it was, but eventually when my mom talked to her she worked it out that it was a wrong number and just a coincidence that it was the name of someone who lived there.
So yeah, a phone conversation, especially one as short as the call Beth made, would not require such an elaborate explanation for it being a prank call; especially 15 years ago. And considering how short it was, it seems even more implausible they'd have been able to trace it, much less be there an hour later.
Oh for fuck sake - I paused the playback to write the above part right after Jonathan said, "Dad, it's me, Beth" or whatever; and I assumed that was the extent of his mimicry, because why wouldn't it be? That was the extent of Beth's call. So color me surprised when I hit play and the kid keeps on going like some sort of creepy ass parrot talking about playing the cello. And for what possible purpose? To over-explain something that didn't need to be explained in the first place.
Okay, sure, Beth really is down there and twin bond or whatever, but seriously, what the fuck younger Kate? Who just casually strolls into a stranger's house and into their creepy ass basement?
Man, if only there was a way for Kate to enter that room and physically see what's on the other side of that door. But alas, doors that would open weren't invented for another 5 years by a young Elon Musk; and her best hope was to touch the door and try to send the body heat of another person passing through it from the other side.
I don't know, something about Mary insisting she hasn't skinned any corpses kind of makes me suspect she hasn't skinned any "corpses".....
Yeah, the pizza comment cinches it, Mary's a serial killer....
This whole Alice/Beth story, and especially the way things played out with Beth and Kate's dad, could have been really good if played more subtly and teased it out more; rather than having Kate jump to the conclusion that Alice was Beth in the very first fucking episode. Especially that moment where papa Kane realizes he'd been out that way and works out where to go - that could have been a great pay off if we hadn't been told Alice was Beth, or that the bone fragments were faked (that could have been revealed after); and if we hadn't already seen Beth make the call from that house. Have Alice get the drop on Batwoman and/or Kate and take her straight to the house, no exposition. Kate finds a way to get a sign or message to her dad for him to track, while she's struggling to escape. Show the flashbacks, maybe more from Jacob's perspective, of the early days of looking for Beth, getting the call, going out and being told it was a prank (but with no stupid mimicry) and then come back and be told about the bone fragments and DNA results. Then cut back to Jacob getting closer to the signal and realizing where they are and that he's been there before; making a beeline to the house. Then the whole thing between him and Alice could have played out the same where he calls her Beth and she stabs him. At that point they could have shown the flashback of her making the call and the guy threatening to kill anyone who comes looking for her if she says anything.
The pieces are all there for something could have been really good, but the assembly leaves it wanting.
Awe... and that moment of standoff between Kate and Beth could have been a great reveal if Kate wasn't in the know yet, until "Alice" calls her sister; and Jacob tells her it's Beth.
I'm not entirely convinced Mary's pizza doesn't contain human flesh.... just saying....
Which of the two unhinged people lit all of those candles? And at what point did they say, "we need to light a few more before we start this conversation," versus, "yeah, that's enough."
Lies! I'm fairly certain Batman has used some form of night vision tech in the various incarnations; and has even worn what would invariably be goggles. But it does speak to an observation I was thinking about recently, which is the lack of lenses in the bat-cowl.
I know, conventionally, the live-action bat-people haven't had lenses; you see their eyes - and I contend you shouldn't. It's debatable whether it's comic book accurate, since sometimes they will depict a characters eyes peaking out from behind their mask; and it often looks creepy as hell. At least with Batman though, it could be strategic, where lenses could conceivably serve a purpose; whether shielding his eyes, allowing for a computer display with an interface to the cave computer, or have be multi-functional where it could switch to night vision or thermal or maybe UV.
I get that Alice/Beth knows Kate's identity, but why put on the costume to apprehend her, only to take it off to interrogate her? Seems like that's just extra, unnecessary work; especially since presumably she's not wearing her street clothes underneath, which means taking off the suit and then getting dressed.
I suppose Beth could have been out for a while and Kate just didn't feel like sitting around in the suit, but if I've learned anything from watching Archer, it's that being out for a long time after being hit on the head is super bad.
Guessing the dad is Dollmaker.
It seems odd that Kate keeps calling her Alice, instead of Beth.
What might be an interesting twist is if she's not actually Beth after all. I mean, there'd have to be a halfway decent explanation what happened to the real Beth, if she's still alive, how Alice learned the things she learned, etc.; and not just do it for the sake of bucking expectations, but it could have potential.
I mean, you don't really need to give a kid a super-natural level ability to mimic voices to make it plausible that the call was a prank. This sort of thing happened in at least a few instances of missing persons reported on Unsolved Mysteries - a family member gets a brief call from someone claiming to be that person and they're absolutely convinced it was their voice; only for about half the time it turns out the person died/was murdered shortly after they went missing and the call was made by some jerk who thought it was a good idea. I think it's plausible when in times of crisis, like a missing child, you may be more susceptible to hearing what you want to hear; especially when there are times when a voice over a phone can be in-distinctive from any other person's voice. I'm not sure whether there'd be any difference between the sound quality of a landline versus cellphones, but that probably can't be entirely dismissed either.
For that matter, there have been times I've called someone or they've called me, and even knowing who to expect on the other end, the sound of their voice just saying hello or a few short spoken words, it doesn't immediately sound like them - especially if it were a landline number and other people might have answered or if you dialed the wrong number, you might hesitate and ask to confirm if it's so-and-so, even when it is them and you should know their voice.
And the boy is young enough that sounding like a young girl would not be that difficult; it's not a dig, just a unfortunate fact of life. I remember being that age always being mistaken for my mom when I answered the phone; and celebrated the day they started mistaking me for my dad.
On top of all of that, there's still one time I remember quite clearly from some years back - probably over 20 years ago at this point - a bunch of us were home one evening, I think my sister must have been out somewhere, when someone calls our house phone. The girl on the other end said it was (*Sister's name*). I can't remember now if it actually sounded like her or how the call went, but it was quite clearly not my sister, and I don't think it was a prank, but there was definitely confusion on both ends, in part because of the commonality of the names; and she got upset that we were acting like we didn't know who it was, but eventually when my mom talked to her she worked it out that it was a wrong number and just a coincidence that it was the name of someone who lived there.
So yeah, a phone conversation, especially one as short as the call Beth made, would not require such an elaborate explanation for it being a prank call; especially 15 years ago. And considering how short it was, it seems even more implausible they'd have been able to trace it, much less be there an hour later.
Oh for fuck sake - I paused the playback to write the above part right after Jonathan said, "Dad, it's me, Beth" or whatever; and I assumed that was the extent of his mimicry, because why wouldn't it be? That was the extent of Beth's call. So color me surprised when I hit play and the kid keeps on going like some sort of creepy ass parrot talking about playing the cello. And for what possible purpose? To over-explain something that didn't need to be explained in the first place.
Okay, sure, Beth really is down there and twin bond or whatever, but seriously, what the fuck younger Kate? Who just casually strolls into a stranger's house and into their creepy ass basement?
Man, if only there was a way for Kate to enter that room and physically see what's on the other side of that door. But alas, doors that would open weren't invented for another 5 years by a young Elon Musk; and her best hope was to touch the door and try to send the body heat of another person passing through it from the other side.
I don't know, something about Mary insisting she hasn't skinned any corpses kind of makes me suspect she hasn't skinned any "corpses".....
Yeah, the pizza comment cinches it, Mary's a serial killer....
This whole Alice/Beth story, and especially the way things played out with Beth and Kate's dad, could have been really good if played more subtly and teased it out more; rather than having Kate jump to the conclusion that Alice was Beth in the very first fucking episode. Especially that moment where papa Kane realizes he'd been out that way and works out where to go - that could have been a great pay off if we hadn't been told Alice was Beth, or that the bone fragments were faked (that could have been revealed after); and if we hadn't already seen Beth make the call from that house. Have Alice get the drop on Batwoman and/or Kate and take her straight to the house, no exposition. Kate finds a way to get a sign or message to her dad for him to track, while she's struggling to escape. Show the flashbacks, maybe more from Jacob's perspective, of the early days of looking for Beth, getting the call, going out and being told it was a prank (but with no stupid mimicry) and then come back and be told about the bone fragments and DNA results. Then cut back to Jacob getting closer to the signal and realizing where they are and that he's been there before; making a beeline to the house. Then the whole thing between him and Alice could have played out the same where he calls her Beth and she stabs him. At that point they could have shown the flashback of her making the call and the guy threatening to kill anyone who comes looking for her if she says anything.
The pieces are all there for something could have been really good, but the assembly leaves it wanting.
Awe... and that moment of standoff between Kate and Beth could have been a great reveal if Kate wasn't in the know yet, until "Alice" calls her sister; and Jacob tells her it's Beth.
I'm not entirely convinced Mary's pizza doesn't contain human flesh.... just saying....
Which of the two unhinged people lit all of those candles? And at what point did they say, "we need to light a few more before we start this conversation," versus, "yeah, that's enough."