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Post by Cody™ on Dec 6, 2019 15:22:18 GMT
And yet despite that they still often end up wrong. Often? Give just one example. History is full of examples of scientific theories that turned out to be wrong. They’re still blundering consistantly today: psmag.com/education/scientists-are-wrong-a-lot
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 6, 2019 15:29:34 GMT
I actually agree with him as well. A general point is that there are far more ways to be wrong about how reality is than to be right. Science is not a magical panacea for getting everything right all the time, but it's the best method we have for minimizing the ways in which we can go wrong. Even doing that we're still likely to go wrong more often than not, which makes most of science's real breakthroughs all the more remarkable. The main point, though, is that however much and often science goes wrong, we're far, far, far more likely to go wrong without it, because then we're not even trying to eliminate our biases.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 15:54:01 GMT
I actually agree with him as well. A general point is that there are far more ways to be wrong about how reality is than to be right. Science is not a magical panacea for getting everything right all the time, but it's the best method we have for minimizing the ways in which we can go wrong. Even doing that we're still likely to go wrong more often than not, which makes most of science's real breakthroughs all the more remarkable. The main point, though, is that however much and often science goes wrong, we're far, far, far more likely to go wrong without it, because then we're not even trying to eliminate our biases. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 6, 2019 16:37:46 GMT
Non of those artifacts shows that the bible is historical.
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Post by theauxphou on Dec 6, 2019 18:15:11 GMT
Yes, scientists get it wrong sometimes, but you've taken that idea out of context and applied it to something which has no scientific basis.
Having said that, which specific scientific theory, in this particular case, is wrong?
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Post by gadreel on Dec 6, 2019 19:48:33 GMT
Historians have confirmed the existence of Muhammed, does that somehow validate Islam? No. It further proves Islam is false. LOL That wasn’t even the point anyway. Just out of interest, if historians confirmed the existence of Jesus, would that validate Christianity?
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Post by goz on Dec 7, 2019 1:42:25 GMT
Then you are really really stupid and unable to assess the value of scientific knowledge upon which we base our whole modern science and technology.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 1:53:29 GMT
Then you are really really stupid and unable to assess the value of scientific knowledge upon which we base our whole modern science and technology. On his assertion that the scientific studies often yield flawed results? It does! I'm not dismissing the scientific method. Read the article I cited, it's a pretty good one. Revisits are needed in research because it is often flawed.
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Post by drystyx on Dec 7, 2019 19:52:12 GMT
Artifacts would be the only way to note the validity, because of the obvious events.
If Exodus was fiction, then there would be no problem with any other culture accepting it.
If Exodus was fact, there would be such a problem, that no culture would dare record it. Imagine what torturous death would await a scribe of Egypt who dared record the complete degradation and humiliation not only of the Pharaoh, but of the military. Obviously, no Egyptian account could be salvaged of such an event. It would be expunged along with whomever wrote it, along with all his family and friends.
No surrounding culture would record it, because it would give credibility to the vagabonds.
In fact, the forty year wandering around is so illogical and actually embarrassing, that even the Hebrews wouldn't record it if it didn't have facts supporting it at the time. We have to remember that what was common knowledge at the time is not common knowledge today. That's the main trouble that the "anti theists" have with their poor logic.
I wouldn't expect many artifacts to survive either way. Just about everyone, including Israel descendants themselves, would do everything they could to expunge any evidence of what was humiliation to all humans involved.
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Post by goz on Dec 7, 2019 22:57:36 GMT
Then you are really really stupid and unable to assess the value of scientific knowledge upon which we base our whole modern science and technology. On his assertion that the scientific studies often yield flawed results? It does! I'm not dismissing the scientific method. Read the article I cited, it's a pretty good one. Revisits are needed in research because it is often flawed. Luckily that is one of the points of science where revision occurs and not necessarily negating the original proof of a premise, though often adding or changing where necessary.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 8, 2019 21:58:50 GMT
So what, we give it up and just go back to following the Ten Commandments?
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 8, 2019 22:46:02 GMT
So what, we give it up and just go back to following the Ten Commandments? No, follow Christ, He is your only hope for salvation.
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