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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 6, 2019 20:26:10 GMT
"Why....?"
Because first world countries tend to have Christianity as the largest religion and have less wealth inequality. Just because a country has a lot of wealth says nothing about how that wealth is distributed. Imagine a small poor town with 1000 people, the vast majority make about $20000-$30000 per year but one of the residents happens to be a multi billionaire. If you divived it all up per capita on paper everyone would be a "millionaire", even though that's clearly not accurate. You could argue the town has a lot "wealth" from the GDP per capita but obviously the wealth is narrowly concentrated in small percentage of the town. That's not a good reflection of how the general population is doing. Besides, I looked up religion and wealth on Wikipedia and they more or less backed up my claim:
According to a study from 2015, Christians hold the largest amount of wealth (55% of the total world wealth), followed by Muslims (5.8%), Hindus (3.3%), and Jews (1.1%). According to the same study it was found that adherents under the classification Irreligion or other religions hold about 34.8% of the total global wealth.[3]
"I visited Kuwait 10 years ago myself, & saw how rich the country was."
You probably went to the tourist part of Kuwait which is generally the nice part. That's not really a good way to get an idea of how a country is doing.
First world countries have more & more people from non-christian nations emigrating in, & are very successful. When I went to Kuwait, I was staying with my brother's family (my brother works for the Canadian Government, & was stationed there at that time). Kuwait has oil (Persian Gulf War, anyone....?). There are a lot of very rich people in Kuwait. "First world countries have more & more people from non-christian nations emigrating in, & are very successful."
I'm sure that's true, but that doesn't really change the fact that majority of the world's wealth is still controlled by Christians as is noted in that Wikipedia quote I posted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 22:09:52 GMT
And 23% of nobel prizes ever awarded have gone to jews, though the christian population is 165 times the size of the jewish one. Not really sure if there's any point to any of this, but statistics can be interesting.
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Post by phludowin on Dec 7, 2019 0:00:34 GMT
What? One anecdote proves Nobel prize winners are Christian, and someone who never won a nobel prize but was religious also supports that nobel prize winners are Christian/religious. How was that even a post you thought would make sense? I was citing one example of a religious person receiving the Prize. Admittedly, in my post, Gandhi did not make the cut, even though I believe he should have. You believe the Nobel commitee should award the prize also to dead people? They disagree with you.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 8, 2019 23:52:12 GMT
What? One anecdote proves Nobel prize winners are Christian, and someone who never won a nobel prize but was religious also supports that nobel prize winners are Christian/religious. How was that even a post you thought would make sense? I was citing one example of a religious person receiving the Prize. Admittedly, in my post, Gandhi did not make the cut, even though I believe he should have. no one is saying religious people dont win the nobel prize they are saying that they are in the minority, something your post supports because you can only find one example of a religious person winning the prize, and you had to resort to another person who was religous but did not win the prize to 'support' your stance.
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Post by Sarge on Dec 9, 2019 7:17:18 GMT
My dog tags said I was a protestant, I'm not, I'm agnostic, atheistic toward religion, but I didn't want to be singled out or miss out on promotions or assignments because some book worshipper is biased toward unbelievers. I suspect a lot of professionals, especially in times past, were "christian" in the same way. I don't have a study to prove it but I suspect the majority of "Christians" today never go to church. You also have Catholics who ironically get along fine with science and teach evolution in their schools.
Are you a Christian sir? No. NO? BURN HIM!! YES YES, I MEANT YES! I AM A GOOD CHRISTIAN!! God is good! God is great! Thank you for this food Amen!
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 9, 2019 14:08:52 GMT
My dog tags said I was a protestant, I'm not, I'm agnostic, atheistic toward religion, but I didn't want to be singled out or miss out on promotions or assignments because some book worshipper is biased toward unbelievers. I suspect a lot of professionals, especially in times past, were "christian" in the same way. I don't have a study to prove it but I suspect the majority of "Christians" today never go to church. You also have Catholics who ironically get along fine with science and teach evolution in their schools. Are you a Christian sir? No. NO? BURN HIM!! YES YES, I MEANT YES! I AM A GOOD CHRISTIAN!! God is good! God is great! Thank you for this food Amen! "I don't have a study to prove it but I suspect the majority of "Christians" today never go to church." I have a study, and yeah you're pretty much correct: churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/139575-7-startling-facts-an-up-close-look-at-church-attendance-in-america.html70% of the country is Christian, only 20% go to church regularly, so yeah vast majority don't
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Post by Cody™ on Dec 9, 2019 14:28:27 GMT
My dog tags said I was a protestant, I'm not, I'm agnostic, atheistic toward religion, but I didn't want to be singled out or miss out on promotions or assignments because some book worshipper is biased toward unbelievers. I suspect a lot of professionals, especially in times past, were "christian" in the same way. I don't have a study to prove it but I suspect the majority of "Christians" today never go to church. You also have Catholics who ironically get along fine with science and teach evolution in their schools. Are you a Christian sir? No. NO? BURN HIM!! YES YES, I MEANT YES! I AM A GOOD CHRISTIAN!! God is good! God is great! Thank you for this food Amen! "I don't have a study to prove it but I suspect the majority of "Christians" today never go to church." I have a study, and yeah you're pretty much correct: churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/139575-7-startling-facts-an-up-close-look-at-church-attendance-in-america.html70% of the country is Christian, only 20% go to church regularly, so yeah vast majority don't Attending church is not what makes one a Christian.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 9, 2019 14:43:27 GMT
Attending church is not what makes one a Christian. I never said it did
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Post by Vegas on Dec 9, 2019 15:56:30 GMT
And curiously, none of them were raccoons.
No... but.. Turns out that Kailash Satyarthi is actually seven badgers wearing a suit. Fun fact.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 9, 2019 17:01:08 GMT
My dog tags said I was a protestant, I'm not, I'm agnostic, atheistic toward religion, but I didn't want to be singled out or miss out on promotions or assignments because some book worshipper is biased toward unbelievers. I suspect a lot of professionals, especially in times past, were "christian" in the same way. I don't have a study to prove it but I suspect the majority of "Christians" today never go to church. You also have Catholics who ironically get along fine with science and teach evolution in their schools. Are you a Christian sir? No. NO? BURN HIM!! YES YES, I MEANT YES! I AM A GOOD CHRISTIAN!! God is good! God is great! Thank you for this food Amen! Yeah, technically I am a Lutheran, since that is the last church I was a member of. That was... forty?... years ago. So, if I am in an environment that is hostile to agnostics, atheists, secular humanists, etc., I will say that I was as a member of a Lutheran church in my college town. They had a GREAT pipe organ, and the organist was skilled enough to play BACH. After that bit of bobbing and weaving, the questioner usually stops questioning.
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Post by Sarge on Dec 9, 2019 18:08:32 GMT
Attending church is not what makes one a Christian. Well, you could say that following the teachings of Christ makes you a Christian but that would probably make it the minority religion in Western culture. But the point of my post that (probably) most people who identify as Christian aren't really believers, they identify because of societal pressure. And I only say probably because I have no data but it's highly likely since most of them don't attend church.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 10, 2019 1:56:47 GMT
The term "Christian" can be very problematic and misleading. There are very significant differences among the numerous denominations in many measures of religiosity and success in life. Actually very few "Christian" denominations and even fewer "Christians" observe any religious traditions. One Christian denomination calls dancing a sin, another calls it a means of praising the Lord. Christianity is not one measureable thing. On the whole though, Christians indeed have less education, earn less income, and are more often divorced and so on, just as survey after survey reports. A few outlier denominations exist. Catholics for example, have extremely low divorce rates, but can be as poor as other Christians. European Christian denominations tend to be somewhat more traditional. There is probably a higher percentage of "Christians" in the NFL than in the general public too, but the NFL is such a very tiny percentage of the general public with such a limited purpose it cannot mean much about Christianity. Perhaps it would suit you better to argue that Christians outperform others in different ways than material success. Hindus for example are far more austere than other people. Perhaps you can make an argument for Christian austerity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 3:17:42 GMT
Attending church is not what makes one a Christian. Well, you could say that following the teachings of Christ makes you a Christian but that would probably make it the minority religion in Western culture. But the point of my post that (probably) most people who identify as Christian aren't really believers, they identify because of societal pressure. And I only say probably because I have no data but it's highly likely since most of them don't attend church. I don't know that it's even "pressure" as such. Most likely it's that they were raised being told that they are christian so that's just how they think of themselves, even if they don't particularly think about it. In the UK over half the population would call themselves christian, but for the vast majority of them christianity has basically no impact on their day to day lives. They really only use the label out of habit.
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