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Post by clusium on Dec 7, 2019 4:39:30 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 7, 2019 9:40:57 GMT
I can believe that, but from what I know of Rome under the pagans they were much the same way. They didn't care which gods you believed in as long as you believed in some. Atheism would have been an uncontrollable danger if it had become fashionable (like it is today). There was a Roman admiral named Claudius Pulcher in the First Carthaginian War who went to sea with priests and chickens aboard his flagship, and the priests were supposed to interpret the future by how the chickens pecked at their food. At sea the chickens refused to eat, so in disgust Pulcher threw them overboard. In the next battle his fleet was soundly beaten by the Carthaginian fleet, and in shame he committed suicide for the defeat brought about by his sacrilege of tossing the chickens over the side. I post this as an example of how important religion was in Roman times. Would an atheist ever have been allowed to hold such an important command in the first place? I doubt it.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 7, 2019 9:56:29 GMT
There have always been atheists, this should really not be news. Atheism has probably existed as long as there has been religion.
Anyway have you read the book Battling the Gods: Atheism in the Ancient World by Tim Whitmarsh
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 7, 2019 12:19:52 GMT
I suspect it is human nature that if anyone says up, someone else is going to say down. If anyone says warm, someone else is going to say cool. If someone says right, someone else is going to say left, and so on.
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Post by clusium on Dec 7, 2019 14:32:37 GMT
There have always been atheists, this should really not be news. Atheism has probably existed as long as there has been religion. Anyway have you read the book Battling the Gods: Atheism in the Ancient World by Tim Whitmarsh I kinda figured too. I just found the article & decided to share.
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Post by clusium on Dec 7, 2019 14:36:11 GMT
I can believe that, but from what I know of Rome under the pagans they were much the same way. They didn't care which gods you believed in as long as you believed in some. Atheism would have been an uncontrollable danger if it had become fashionable (like it is today). There was a Roman admiral named Claudius Pulcher in the First Carthaginian War who went to sea with priests and chickens aboard his flagship, and the priests were supposed to interpret the future by how the chickens pecked at their food. At sea the chickens refused to eat, so in disgust Pulcher threw them overboard. In the next battle his fleet was soundly beaten by the Carthaginian fleet, and in shame he committed suicide for the defeat brought about by his sacrilege of tossing the chickens over the side. I post this as an example of how important religion was in Roman times. Would an atheist ever have been allowed to hold such an important command in the first place? I doubt it. Back when Rome was pagan, Christianity was labelled "an atheistic religion."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:20:54 GMT
The early Christians were identified as atheists by Rome. Absolute belief in a deity was not necessary. It was how one acted that was important. The sermon I went to today tied quite well into that thought. Not about dismissing belief, but about Jesus' message of what to do here on Earth, how one acts to establish heaven here. Establishing it through dismissing self more and trying to dedicate our lives to acting more like Him here and now vs. looking at the supernatural aspects of faith after death. It made me think of this post. That got me to thinking about why I haven't heard more of Christian Atheists before, and of course, I looked, and discovered they do exist in numbers more than what I imagined. They span from people who completely dismiss God and see Jesus as a teacher to follow, to those who more agnostic views on God while following Jesus to the point of deifying Him.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 10, 2019 15:49:54 GMT
The early Christians were identified as atheists by Rome. Absolute belief in a deity was not necessary. It was how one acted that was important. That got me to thinking about why I haven't heard more of Christian Atheists before, and of course, I looked, and discovered they do exist in numbers more than what I imagined. They span from people who completely dismiss God and see Jesus as a teacher to follow, to those who more agnostic views on God while following Jesus to the point of deifying Him. The first example I know of a Christian Atheist may have been William Blake. He created his own mythology but borrowed heavily from Christianity, essentially portraying the OT God as the real adversary/Satan, while Jesus was the real God because he was "the God within man" and "God as artist/storyteller." He was also into the whole notion of religions/mythologies essentially being expressions of human psychology, long before the likes of Jung and Peterson were around writing/talking about the idea.
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Post by thefleetsin on Dec 10, 2019 16:38:40 GMT
our baby yoda pop-up manger scene
i wanted to impress our neighbor who happens to look like the god apollo on steroids. so we set up a make-shift baby yoda pop-up manger scene just inside the security gate to our apartment. and now we have like four hundred flaming latino queens hunkered down outside waiting for him to walk across the street. as if christmas was a time for sharing and they actually ate meat!
sjw 12/10/19 inspired at this very moment in time by a certain sumthin' sumthin' wrapped around the holidays.
from the 'boner series' of poems
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 10, 2019 18:28:04 GMT
I can believe that, but from what I know of Rome under the pagans they were much the same way. They didn't care which gods you believed in as long as you believed in some. Atheism would have been an uncontrollable danger if it had become fashionable (like it is today). There was a Roman admiral named Claudius Pulcher in the First Carthaginian War who went to sea with priests and chickens aboard his flagship, and the priests were supposed to interpret the future by how the chickens pecked at their food. At sea the chickens refused to eat, so in disgust Pulcher threw them overboard. In the next battle his fleet was soundly beaten by the Carthaginian fleet, and in shame he committed suicide for the defeat brought about by his sacrilege of tossing the chickens over the side. I post this as an example of how important religion was in Roman times. Would an atheist ever have been allowed to hold such an important command in the first place? I doubt it. Until the late modern era, there was little divide between the natural and supernatural world. A European robin that returned in Spring has a breast was red for a reason. In Christianity, it was created red by God to remind people of Jesus’ Easter sacrifice. Today we know the actual reason why. Perhaps the robin thing disproves the existence of God in the minds of some, but not all. As you should know by now, there's quite a lot accepted by mainstream Christianity that I don't readily swing into.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 11, 2019 13:42:06 GMT
I'm sure since the beginning of time there have been optimists and pessimists.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 13:49:40 GMT
I'm sure since the beginning of time there have been optimists and pessimists.
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