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Post by heeeeey on Dec 8, 2019 22:14:59 GMT
Yes it does. It's arguing that abiogenesis did not occur on earth. The theory is that somehow the theory of evolution is insupportable so alternates must be put forward. Thus it avoids addressing real scientific facts in favor of science fiction fantasy. I just like to keep an open mind. This planet has been hit by meteors, and other space stuff. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that some life came from other planets. In fact, Linda Moulton Howe believes that advanced extraterrestrials have been using this planet for experimentation for millions of years, and that they are the ones who tweaked the DNA of already evolving primates to create homosapien sapien. Regardless, these ETs would still be 'people' who are subject to the same divine field.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 9, 2019 1:11:00 GMT
I just like to keep an open mind. This planet has been hit by meteors, and other space stuff. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that some life came from other planets. In fact, Linda Moulton Howe believes that advanced extraterrestrials have been using this planet for experimentation for millions of years, and that they are the ones who tweaked the DNA of already evolving primates to create homosapien sapien. Regardless, these ETs would still be 'people' who are subject to the same divine field. Okay, but what is Howe's overall point? Is she saying human beings could not have evolved from apes on their own? Why? I really don't get it. Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes. Why else are there still apes? As she says, advanced ETs may have tweaked the DNA of an 'already evolving' ape-like species. Look what humans have always done in laboratories -- mixing DNA and trying to interbreed species. She says the ETs were doing that on Earth for a long time and finally came up with the modern human being.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 9, 2019 1:32:41 GMT
Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes. Why else are there still apes? As she says, advanced ETs may have tweaked the DNA of an 'already evolving' ape-like species. Look what humans have always done in laboratories -- mixing DNA and trying to interbreed species. She says the ETs were doing that on Earth for a long time and finally came up with the modern human being. If humans evolved from apes, apes could still exist as well. Were you there when someone posted this on the old board? I found it very thought-provoking. As you may know, I believe that we were created by God, but I also believe that we were tampered with.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 9, 2019 1:54:10 GMT
Were you there when someone posted this on the old board? I found it very thought-provoking. As you may know, I believe that we were created by God, but I also believe that we were tampered with. Most Christians today believe god used evolution to create human beings. So is he saying that the fused chromosome proves evolution? I'm not really sure what he is saying, but I think he's saying there's a mystery to human origin that evolution does not cover. If memory serves, it was posted on the old board by an atheist, but he could have misunderstood it and thought it was some kind of proof of evolution.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 9, 2019 2:12:17 GMT
I'm not really sure what he is saying, but I think he's saying there's a mystery to human origin that evolution does not cover. If memory serves, it was posted on the old board by an atheist, but he could have misunderstood it and thought it was some kind of proof of evolution. But he's criticizing intelligent design. I think he supports evolution based on that clip. Maybe he is saying god fused the ape's chromosomes to create Adam and Eve? Perhaps so, but the part that stayed with me was when he said apes have one more chromosome pair than humans. I never knew that before. According to the Sumerian tablets, the Anunnaki (gods and goddesses from a planet called Nibiru) created the human race by fusing their "godly" DNA with that of primitive apes. Personally, I don't believe they created a damn thing. I think all they did was tamper with something that was already here.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 9, 2019 2:27:04 GMT
There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe... with tribes of humans... who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians... or the Toltecs... or the Mayans. Some believe there may yet be brothers of man... who even now fight to survive - somewhere beyond the heavens!
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Post by Catman on Dec 9, 2019 2:28:26 GMT
Keep in mind that cats originated on Thuban 9.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 2:29:22 GMT
There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe... with tribes of humans... who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians... or the Toltecs... or the Mayans. Some believe there may yet be brothers of man... who even now fight to survive - somewhere beyond the heavens! Da da dum... da da da dum... da da da dum de dummmmm...
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Post by general313 on Dec 9, 2019 16:19:20 GMT
Okay, but what is Howe's overall point? Is she saying human beings could not have evolved from apes on their own? Why? I really don't get it. Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes. Why else are there still apes? As she says, advanced ETs may have tweaked the DNA of an 'already evolving' ape-like species. Look what humans have always done in laboratories -- mixing DNA and trying to interbreed species. She says the ETs were doing that on Earth for a long time and finally came up with the modern human being.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 9, 2019 16:26:28 GMT
Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes. Why else are there still apes? This is the classic line from knuckle dragging ignoramuses that lets you know that they know absolutely nothing about what the theory of evolution says. It's become a kind of iconic "Look at how stupid I am" line on par with its cousin, "Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics".
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 9, 2019 16:55:15 GMT
Okay, but what is Howe's overall point? Is she saying human beings could not have evolved from apes on their own? Why? I really don't get it. Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes. Why else are there still apes? As she says, advanced ETs may have tweaked the DNA of an 'already evolving' ape-like species. Look what humans have always done in laboratories -- mixing DNA and trying to interbreed species. She says the ETs were doing that on Earth for a long time and finally came up with the modern human being. "Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes" Well no, human beings are apes, that's like saying dogs didn't evolve from canines. "Why else are there still apes?" You mean why are there still monkeys, gorillas, chimps, etc? Because that's not how evolution works, that's like asking if dogs evolved from canines why are there still wolves and foxes. Chimps, gorillas, monkeys, and humans branched out from previous primates that we share common ancestory with, that's why we share a riddiculous amount of DNA with chimps (about 95% if I'm not mistaken) and even have some vestigal traits left over from them (why do we have tailbones if we don't have tails?). Evolution isn't some "ladder" of progression (which seems to be what you're implying) it's more like a tumbleweed, with a riddiculous amount of branches and species all stemming from the same common ancestors. "Look what humans have always done in laboratories -- mixing DNA and trying to interbreed species. " I'm not sure what that has to do with your post, but we have interbred species before (ligers, mules, wolf dogs, etc) "She says the ETs were doing that on Earth for a long time and finally came up with the modern human being." Again, I think panspermia is an interesting science fiction concept, but that's pretty much all it is, fiction.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Dec 9, 2019 17:17:59 GMT
Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes. Why else are there still apes? As she says, advanced ETs may have tweaked the DNA of an 'already evolving' ape-like species. Look what humans have always done in laboratories -- mixing DNA and trying to interbreed species. She says the ETs were doing that on Earth for a long time and finally came up with the modern human being. "Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes" Well no, human beings are apes, that's like saying dogs didn't evolve from canines. "Why else are there still apes?" You mean why are there still monkeys, gorillas, chimps, etc? Because that's not how evolution works, that's like asking if dogs evolved from canines why are there still wolves and foxes.
Chimps, gorillas, monkeys, and humans branched out from previous primates that we share common ancestory with, that's why we share a riddiculous amount of DNA with chimps (about 95% if I'm not mistaken) and even have some vestigal traits left over from them (why do we have tailbones if we don't have tails?).
Evolution isn't some "ladder" of progression (which seems to be what you're implying) it's more like a tumbleweed, with a riddiculous amount of branches and species all stemming from the same common ancestors."Look what humans have always done in laboratories -- mixing DNA and trying to interbreed species. " I'm not sure what that has to do with your post, but we have interbred species before (ligers, mules, wolf dogs, etc) "She says the ETs were doing that on Earth for a long time and finally came up with the modern human being." Again, I think panspermia is an interesting science fiction concept, but that's pretty much all it is, fiction. Bolded section - very well explained!
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Post by drystyx on Dec 9, 2019 17:41:04 GMT
Like most people have said, here and in real life, it doesn't really answer a question. It just delays it. It still started somewhere.
When I hear people talk about this, I am quite sure those people have a mentality of believing that if you bring them a job to do, they'll just send it to someone else to be done, and charge you a retailer price.
In other words, there's no way to think of people who adhere to this concept as being honest or credible. They may be correct, but their mentality is strictly the same common mentality that comes with feeble brains in mercenary spirits.
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Post by goz on Dec 9, 2019 20:33:18 GMT
"Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes" Well no, human beings are apes, that's like saying dogs didn't evolve from canines. "Why else are there still apes?" You mean why are there still monkeys, gorillas, chimps, etc? Because that's not how evolution works, that's like asking if dogs evolved from canines why are there still wolves and foxes.
Chimps, gorillas, monkeys, and humans branched out from previous primates that we share common ancestory with, that's why we share a riddiculous amount of DNA with chimps (about 95% if I'm not mistaken) and even have some vestigal traits left over from them (why do we have tailbones if we don't have tails?).
Evolution isn't some "ladder" of progression (which seems to be what you're implying) it's more like a tumbleweed, with a riddiculous amount of branches and species all stemming from the same common ancestors."Look what humans have always done in laboratories -- mixing DNA and trying to interbreed species. " I'm not sure what that has to do with your post, but we have interbred species before (ligers, mules, wolf dogs, etc) "She says the ETs were doing that on Earth for a long time and finally came up with the modern human being." Again, I think panspermia is an interesting science fiction concept, but that's pretty much all it is, fiction. Bolded section - very well explained! Sadly it won't make an iota of difference to the congenitally terminally illiterate uninformed stupid people who post their anti-scientific nonsense on this Board and don't have two brain cell to rub together.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 0:33:11 GMT
Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes. Why else are there still apes? 1) Human beings are a type of ape. To be precise, Humans are "Hominidae", aka "Great Apes" - a classification which includes the Orangutan, Gorilla, Chimpanzee, Bonobo and Humans. 2) Humans and the other apes are thought to have evolved from a common ancestor, which is generally described as "ape-like". 3) Evolution doesn't work by having every single member of one species start giving birth to a different species, replacing the old one with the new one. A good analogy is the fact that most modern Americans came from European ancestry. And yet there are still plenty of Europeans. If Humans evolved from "Species X", it would be perfectly possible for "Species X" to still be around. 4) If you're going to express views about evolution, you might want to check into it just a little. What you've said there is about as smart as saying "If water comes into my house from pipes, why do I see it falling from the sky, huh? You can't answer that can you?!" That could have happened, but there's no reason to think that it did. Nor any need to assume it, actually. And how would she know?
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 12, 2019 2:25:51 GMT
Human beings, aka, homosapien sapien, did not evolve from apes. Why else are there still apes? 1) Human beings are a type of ape. To be precise, Humans are "Hominidae", aka "Great Apes" - a classification which includes the Orangutan, Gorilla, Chimpanzee, Bonobo and Humans. 2) Humans and the other apes are thought to have evolved from a common ancestor, which is generally described as "ape-like". 3) Evolution doesn't work by having every single member of one species start giving birth to a different species, replacing the old one with the new one. A good analogy is the fact that most modern Americans came from European ancestry. And yet there are still plenty of Europeans. If Humans evolved from "Species X", it would be perfectly possible for "Species X" to still be around. 4) If you're going to express views about evolution, you might want to check into it just a little. What you've said there is about as smart as saying "If water comes into my house from pipes, why do I see it falling from the sky, huh? You can't answer that can you?!" That could have happened, but there's no reason to think that it did. Nor any need to assume it, actually. And how would she know? Key phrase, 'thought to'.
Howe has spent most of her adult life investigating the matter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 2:56:56 GMT
Key phrase, 'thought to'. Yes, based on a mountain of evidence. But all scientific conclusions are tentative. Every single one. There is no such thing as "science has proved this to be true", there is only "the best current model for this evidence is..."[/div]
Is that the important thing? Because there are literally millions of scientists who have spend most of their adult life investigating evolution, they've collected massive amounts of evidence supporting it. And you dismiss all that out of hand. So it seems like you don't actually think spending your life on something means you're probably right about it. So tell me this : what experiments has she done to support her thesis? Who reviewed them? In what reputable journal were they published?
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