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Post by Rodney Farber on Dec 9, 2019 19:17:41 GMT
My conclusion stands: Bakker is a whako sleeze.
In the summer of 1976, I received "credible" news that the USA had the remains of an alien life form at Write Patterson AFB and that President Ford would be releasing details after the fall election. When nothing happened by 1977, I assume the credible news was just bunk. I feel about UFOs the same I feel about Yahweh, or Yeti: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Hell, I'll even take ordinary evidence.
I find it odd that most (if not all) UFO sightings occur in the USA. I think they are all mistaken interpretation of unusual natural events.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 9, 2019 19:23:31 GMT
My conclusion stands: Bakker is a whako sleeze.
In the summer of 1976, I received "credible" news that the USA had the remains of an alien life form at Write Patterson AFB and that President Ford would be releasing details after the fall election. When nothing happened by 1977, I assume the credible news was just bunk. I feel about UFOs the same I feel about Yahweh, or Yeti: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Hell, I'll even take ordinary evidence.
I find it odd that most (if not all) UFO sightings occur in the USA. I think they are all mistaken interpretation of unusual natural events.
They are seen all over the world, but for those of us living in the USA it's those incidents we hear the most about.
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Post by goz on Dec 9, 2019 20:40:17 GMT
My conclusion stands: Bakker is a whako sleeze.
In the summer of 1976, I received "credible" news that the USA had the remains of an alien life form at Write Patterson AFB and that President Ford would be releasing details after the fall election. When nothing happened by 1977, I assume the credible news was just bunk. I feel about UFOs the same I feel about Yahweh, or Yeti: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Hell, I'll even take ordinary evidence.
I find it odd that most (if not all) UFO sightings occur in the USA. I think they are all mistaken interpretation of unusual natural events.
They are seen all over the world, but for those of us living in the USA it's those incidents we hear the most about. Indeed there are gullible stupid people all over the world, with a greater preponderance of this phenomenon in US and a curious tendancy to reveal their stupidity more readily. I quote myself from another post, (facts)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 3:32:07 GMT
I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart for your replies. My girlfriend Maya seems to have the most on-topic reply. Now, we've all had our fun taking shots at Bakker in particular and televangelism in general. Back to the topic. Do you think as I do that we are being prepped for alien contact here? No, not really. I see nothing to indicate that there is any alien contact happening or impending. And if there were, I doubt it would look anything like what we see. That seems unlikely.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 10, 2019 15:57:46 GMT
I find it odd that most (if not all) UFO sightings occur in the USA. I think they are all mistaken interpretation of unusual natural events.
"UFO" just means "unidentified flying object." UFOs can be and are seen everywhere. What's unique to the USA is the widespread belief that these UFOs are piloted by aliens (often green or grey with big eyes/heads) that kidnap humans and do anal probes on them. Unsurprisingly, this belief became widespread after movies starting depicting them as such, which is more evidence that when people experience weird things they interpret it through cultural biases (like near-death experiences). In the meantime, this is the only UFO I really care about:
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 10, 2019 17:06:31 GMT
I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart for your replies. My girlfriend Maya seems to have the most on-topic reply. Now, we've all had our fun taking shots at Bakker in particular and televangelism in general. Back to the topic. Do you think as I do that we are being prepped for alien contact here? No, not really. I see nothing to indicate that there is any alien contact happening or impending. And if there were, I doubt it would look anything like what we see. That seems unlikely. And I see nothing to indicate that aliens exist at all. If they don't exist, then "alien contact" goes right on the junk pile where it belongs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:37:34 GMT
If we can't find any substantial evidence of any kind of ET civilization after decades of SETI, that leads me to believe that regular visits from other worlds aren't happening.
I'm not going to say that intelligences don't exist that could come here, but if expanses are so great that we can't even sniff any intelligent existence, then why would this little rock such a popular destination so as to visit multiple times a year?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:38:31 GMT
No, not really. I see nothing to indicate that there is any alien contact happening or impending. And if there were, I doubt it would look anything like what we see. That seems unlikely. And I see nothing to indicate that aliens exist at all. Me neither. Yep. It might take a while to determine that they don't exist, though. A few billion years should suffice.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 10, 2019 17:43:38 GMT
If we can't find any substantial evidence of any kind of ET civilization after decades of SETI, that leads me to believe that regular visits from other worlds aren't happening. I'm not going to say that intelligences don't exist that could come here, but if expanses are so great that we can't even sniff any intelligent existence, then why would this little rock such a popular destination so as to visit multiple times a year? That's a very good question which has been asked by various people over the years, and it never gets answered except for the suggestion that the ETs are dying out and need an infusion of new blood, hence all the experiments. Another one is that they want us to join their Galactic Alliance or some-such, but we're not sufficiently advanced (what with no firm one-world government and all), so they're keeping an eye on us for the day we're "evolved" enough to take our place in the community. SETI. Can you believe I used to donate to that once?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 10, 2019 17:45:22 GMT
And I see nothing to indicate that aliens exist at all. Me neither. Yep. It might take a while to determine that they don't exist, though. A few billion years should suffice. Then I'll repeat a question that I asked earlier in the thread. Why did the US Navy leak out the story complete with the camera footage when it could just as easily have been covered it up?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:45:35 GMT
If we can't find any substantial evidence of any kind of ET civilization after decades of SETI, that leads me to believe that regular visits from other worlds aren't happening. But SETI doesn't even search for visits to Earth from other worlds. Nothing about SETI is looking to see if UFOs have little green men inside them. They only examine other star systems to see if radio signals are coming from them. IMO, if we're ever going to have alien contact it will come in one of two forms; either the mentioned radio signals emanating from another star, or detection of an alien spacecraft entering the system. But the latter won't be anything like a UFO flying around in our atmosphere; it'll be more like spotting a solar sail thousands of miles across, or a gigantic fusion rocket or ion drive or something, as it decelerates into the system. We'll know it's coming months or even years before it gets here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 18:00:43 GMT
If we can't find any substantial evidence of any kind of ET civilization after decades of SETI, that leads me to believe that regular visits from other worlds aren't happening. But SETI doesn't even search for visits to Earth from other worlds. Nothing about SETI is looking to see if UFOs have little green men inside them. They only examine other star systems to see if radio signals are coming from them. IMO, if we're ever going to have alien contact it will come in one of two forms; either the mentioned radio signals emanating from another star, or detection of an alien spacecraft entering the system. But the latter won't be anything like a UFO flying around in our atmosphere; it'll be more like spotting a solar sail thousands of miles across, or a gigantic fusion rocket or ion drive or something, as it decelerates into the system. We'll know it's coming months or even years before it gets here. My point about SETI is that if we can't even find a trace of anything emanating from anywhere, then where would some visitor be coming from? I'm of a mind that there probably are other worlds out there with beings maybe far beyond us in knowledge, just by the numbers of galaxies out there, but it's rare enough that we can't see them through all the clutter and distance, and I guess time, considering the millennia it takes even light to bridge the distance, nor do they see us. I agree, we may get lucky and detect someone else's trail someday, and that would be more likely than then actually coming to our speck of spacedust.
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Post by general313 on Dec 10, 2019 20:10:52 GMT
Me neither. Yep. It might take a while to determine that they don't exist, though. A few billion years should suffice. Then I'll repeat a question that I asked earlier in the thread. Why did the US Navy leak out the story complete with the camera footage when it could just as easily have been covered it up? Who said the US Navy leaked such a story, just somebody in that video?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 20:39:19 GMT
Me neither. Yep. It might take a while to determine that they don't exist, though. A few billion years should suffice. Then I'll repeat a question that I asked earlier in the thread. Why did the US Navy leak out the story complete with the camera footage when it could just as easily have been covered it up? I don't understand. They filmed an unidentified object flying around, most likely an aircraft or drone of some sort. Why would they cover this up? What would be the motivation? I don't see what it has to do with anything.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 10, 2019 20:41:42 GMT
I'm of a mind that there probably are other worlds out there with beings maybe far beyond us in knowledge, just by the numbers of galaxies out there, but it's rare enough that we can't see them through all the clutter and distance, and I guess time, considering the millennia it takes even light to bridge the distance, nor do they see us. When I see the direction the human race is taking itself with human produced climate change, I'm inclined to agree with William Gibson, who once suggested that the emergence of intelligent life on a planet is basically a ticking clock for a global catastrophe that will eventually wipe it out. So in other words, there probably have been many civilizations that bloomed nearby. It's just that none of them ever reached interstellar travel before annihilating themselves back into a stone age, best case scenario. Which is exactly where we are heading.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 20:52:05 GMT
But SETI doesn't even search for visits to Earth from other worlds. Nothing about SETI is looking to see if UFOs have little green men inside them. They only examine other star systems to see if radio signals are coming from them. IMO, if we're ever going to have alien contact it will come in one of two forms; either the mentioned radio signals emanating from another star, or detection of an alien spacecraft entering the system. But the latter won't be anything like a UFO flying around in our atmosphere; it'll be more like spotting a solar sail thousands of miles across, or a gigantic fusion rocket or ion drive or something, as it decelerates into the system. We'll know it's coming months or even years before it gets here. My point about SETI is that if we can't even find a trace of anything emanating from anywhere, then where would some visitor be coming from? There's a dozen possible answers to this, but the real one is - we don't know, and any possible answer is just a guess. It's far from clear that an advanced civilisation would even be detectible by SETI. We still use radio quite a bit on Earth, but we're well on the way to streaming everything over the internet. The amount of TV noise we put out is dropping, fast. A really advanced civilisation may just not broadcast much. Or perhaps there's some other way of communicating that we're not aware of; I wrote a sci-fi story once where there's a "window" most species go through where they use the EM spectrum for communicating. Then about a century afterwards they learn to communicate with neutrino beams, which they can detect because they have forcefield technology that can detect neutrino impacts 100% efficiently. So the galaxy is full of people squirting neutrino comm signals all over the place, has been for millions of years, it's just that radio contact is fleeting and we're looking for the wrong thing. In the story the day Earth turns on its first real Neutrino detector they don't detect a signal from aliens - they detect a hundred million of them. Hell, perhaps they're all telepaths and don't even need communications technology at all. Or perhaps they live underground and don't ever broadcast above the surface. Perhaps they live on a Dyson sphere and nothing leaks out. Or maybe some ship is on the way but the journey has taken it 50,000 years and the parent civilisation was dead before the Roman Empire fell. Or perhaps (and this is most likely, IMO), we're just not looking hard enough. I've no idea how many stars SETI has surveyed, but I doubt it's a couple of hundred billion. There are so many possibilities and so little evidence that all we can say is we don't know. But I for one think it's worth looking. The effort is small and the potential reward is high. Perhaps. I do think we're probably far, far more likely to see some trace of a civilisation in a distant system than we are to see a spaceship pulling into Earth orbit. But one can always hope.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 11, 2019 8:43:15 GMT
Then I'll repeat a question that I asked earlier in the thread. Why did the US Navy leak out the story complete with the camera footage when it could just as easily have been covered it up? Who said the US Navy leaked such a story, just somebody in that video? No, I said it. It's video taken of an unidentified flying vehicle by the gun camera of an F/A-18 Hornet. Pray tell how it became available on the Internet if the US Navy had not wanted the incident to be publicized. Of course they leaked it, on purpose.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 11, 2019 8:45:00 GMT
Then I'll repeat a question that I asked earlier in the thread. Why did the US Navy leak out the story complete with the camera footage when it could just as easily have been covered it up? I don't understand. They filmed an unidentified object flying around, most likely an aircraft or drone of some sort. Why would they cover this up? What would be the motivation? I don't see what it has to do with anything. I don't believe you. You're pretending to be simple.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 11, 2019 10:35:42 GMT
Remember him!? That motherfucker lived not more 10 miles from me. Yes sir, I remember Jim and Tammy Faye. Goddamn crooks. Why was he crying? Didn't he have Jesus on his side? I remember that in an interview later he said the people looked like giant ants to him. Who knows? Maybe they shot him up with something to make him hallucinate. Can't rule anything out anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 13:34:37 GMT
I don't understand. They filmed an unidentified object flying around, most likely an aircraft or drone of some sort. Why would they cover this up? What would be the motivation? I don't see what it has to do with anything. I don't believe you. You're pretending to be simple. So you can't answer. No surprise there.
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