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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 11, 2019 3:20:58 GMT
Finally, the anti-matter wave does something right by destroying the Earth containing the abysmal Birds of Prey series from.... Jesus Christ, 17 years ago? Okay, fuck you time, you ornery linear bastard. Stop calling it a cross-over...  Wait, everyone they brought over from Earth 38 are still accounted for? Weren't there billions of people you brought over to Earth 1? How could you possibly account for everyone on of them? And for that matter, where the fuck did you go with all of them??? Gee, two of the remaining paragons are not only from one of the two Earths that encompass the primary Arrowverse, they're already fucking involved with this fucking mission. Good thing it wasn't one of the people who fucking died on Earth 38 or one of the Supermen the Monitor let Lex slaughter for "reasons". Man, Barry's the paragon of Love? I would have thought for sure it would have been for level headedness or rational, tactical thinking, or fucking things up...  Okay, random observation - actually one I made in Part 2 that I didn't think was important enough at the time to actually post - what the hell is guiding their wardrobe choices? In the last installment I thought it was odd that all of the Super-Friends were dressed in their civilian clothes aboard the Waverider when it was just them; especially since Kara and Clark were wearing their glasses, which neither of them needs. Now they're all standing around on the Waverider in their costumes.... (Sigh) What the fuck was the purpose of Cisco de-powering himself only for the Monitor to give them back? It only fuels my speculation that he's going to die (for good) by the end of Crisis. Lucifer! Wooooooo! I guess I can't "thank God" they didn't ruin his character... Anyone else get a Stargate vibe watching them open the wall to look for the Anti-Monitor? Come on Barry, this is basically like, half of what you do now…. It's about fucking time they acknowledge Jesse and Harry; it's only been two fucking months since Earth 2 was destroyed. (Sigh)......WHY THE FUCK WOULD THE ANTI-MONITOR DESIGN A FAIL SAFE FOR TREADMILL, THAT WOULD DESTROY ALL THE REMAINING EARTHS AT ONCE IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO FUCKING DO IN THE FIRST PLACE?  Why even bother with this hunt and peck one universe at a time bullshit then??? I only watched a first handful of episodes of the first season of Black Lightning, but I do know they mentioned, I think it was Supergirl in one of those earlier episode; or at any rate, an acknowledgment that other heroes existed on Jefferson's Earth. Should he be so quick to attack just anyone he encounters? I suppose I should get around to watching the Black Lightning tie-in for context. Oh no, not Barry.....   In the writers room: Writer 1: So Mia, John C and John D go to Purgatory to retrieve Oliver's soul, should there be any kind of challenge to over come? Writer 2: Oh, what if he can't remember them? Writer 1: Sounds like it has potential. And make an entire episode about Oliver getting his memory back? Writer 2: I was just thinking Diggle could ask him real nice to remember him. Writer 1: Yeah, that works too. oh my god, other-barry is going to sacrifice himself. i cannot believe it.... Oh, Christ, I heard a rumor about Oliver becoming Spectre; and they're really going to fucking do it...... "What happened?" "Dad wouldn't come back with us" But to be clear, his body is still alive; which admittedly, he's like feral or whatever, but still - he is technically alive. Maybe John just needs to ask him settle down or something and he'll be fine. The stuff between Barry and Jefferson in the study was pretty decent. Shame it's so fleeting. You know, "Come Running Home to You" was a great song, especially since it was part of a pretty dumb episode overall, but Jesus Christ, stop overusing that fucking phrase. You're ruining it by saying it all the God damn time. Good thing Lyla decided to reappear that moment, so Iris didn't have to pretend she knew how to work any of the controls on a time machine and accidentally launched them back to the last ice age... If not for such contrived circumstances, the fight between the Anti-Monitor controlled Lyla would actually seem pretty cool - but they keep doing this in such ham fisted ways. I mean, for fuck sake, they had Barry figure it out; obviously she was being manipulated - but they definitely hadn't properly established that "Pariah" gets pulled away at a moment of Tragedy. I mean, he's only disappeared, what, once? I don't remember anyone even expressly being told why. And I swear to God, the Monitor is like, a second away from saying, "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"... Oh no, Earth-1 is gone.... I guess that's the end of all the CW-DC shows.... I mean, sure, he sent the "Paragons" - why not send the other fucking heroes? "Where did you send them?" January |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 11, 2019 3:34:14 GMT
It just occurred to me, but that ending is probably the closest DC will get to replicating the ending of Infinity War...
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 11, 2019 3:47:00 GMT
It just occurred to me, but that ending is probably the closest DC will get to replicating the ending of Infinity War... Well that makes sense due to the holiday break but it sucks that they didnt do it all earlier or later I don't know. Seeing as how they normally air 4 episodes of the Arrowverse each week, I just figured it was all going to be this week, with one extra hour added in somewhere. I have a feeling this another example of them trying to rip off Avengers Infinity War/Endgame. And seeing as how I've already been expecting a moment where all of the major characters, particularly the likes of Barry and Oliver, die, before being brought back by the time all is said and done; I'm going to guess that will happen by the end of the third episode in order to build anticipation for the final two episodes a month later. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 7:42:25 GMT
(Sigh)......WHY THE FUCK WOULD THE ANTI-MONITOR DESIGN A FAIL SAFE FOR TREADMILL, THAT WOULD DESTROY ALL THE REMAINING EARTHS AT ONCE IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO FUCKING DO IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Why even bother with this hunt and peck one universe at a time bullshit then???
Sooooooooo bad. C'mon what the fuck?? Exactly my thoughts..
these 2 pictures are also more than suitable for the second episode...
Ok so this episode is better than the last one but thats not saying much, a cartoon stick figure taking a dump and watching it snap off is better too (and saves time). That out of my system, this was actually a decent enough episode for the third one in the Crisis event bar the autism above.
I loved the cameos and the Supernatural actor. Cant help but feel the Oliver arc is useless, hopefully it will pick up fast next Crisis ep...
I havent seen any Black Lightning eps, was meant to watch the pilot but never got around to it. Did not see BoP coming and the old-school Barry footage from years back, cool. Never saw either shows though.
I hate the casting for Lex but the guy from two and half men is doing the best he can with what he's given. Smooth at the end, it's just what Lex would do. What happened to Maxwell? They shouldve just left him as Supergirl's Lex
Well, Harbinger suddenly became interesting this ep. About fraking time! Also cool that Batwoman grabbed the kryptonite just in case
Lastly ok sure I believe it, Pariah suddenly knows what to do...
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Post by Vegas on Dec 11, 2019 18:46:12 GMT
Watching part 3 now... Just at the point where Black Lightning shows up and Pariah tells him: That his Earth was destroyed.. and his family is dead.
Well... We now know that all of this destruction will be reversed somehow. Edit: Just got to the end... Yeah. Definitely this. |
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Post by SportsFan19 on Dec 11, 2019 23:36:57 GMT
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 11, 2019 23:52:40 GMT
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Post by dazz on Dec 12, 2019 22:24:13 GMT
Not much to add here but did anyone else HATE how Cisco was with the Monitor? all of fucking existence is hanging in the balance and he's arguing no don't give me my powers I want a normal life, BITCH if the multiverse is destroyed you wont have a fucking life you dumb motherfucker...what fucking heroes are these, if they are the best the multiverse has to offer it deserves to die. Stargazer I disagree about the what was the point of Cisco giving up his powers, this would have been a great way to put Cisco into a heroic light, have him ask the Monitor to restore his powers...btw so again he cant bring Oliver back to life but he can restore the powers of one of potentially most powerful meta's in the multiverse, right...But yeah have this season show Cisco thriving in his life without Vibe but then when the Crisis comes he knows he has to step up and he is willing to sacrifice that happiness potentially for the ability to better serve in this time of need, you know instead of being a spectacularly dumb and self centred fucking cunt and being all like but I don't want powers  , fuck you Cisco I am glad you died...oh dammit they are going to bring him back though. Anyone else wish they had maybe spent one of the shows lead up to Crisis establishing some of the elements in Crisis we are getting or will potentially get? like I heard Digg gets a Lantern ring, if so why not establish the Lanterns prior to crisis, same for Spectre, throwing all this shit in during the crossover without build up diminishes the importance of them and just feel so much more blatantly like the fleet of dues ex machina's the writers added to get out of a situation, enjoyed the ep overall but these are things that do and did bug me during it. Oh yeah Stargazer mate I think on Black Lightning's earth Superman, Supergirl and them are just comic book characters not real superheroes, hence his reaction to seeing them, though I wish they would maybe have done the same with Jefferson, like Ralph turns out is a comic fan and he is a Black Lightning fan and shows Jefferson the comic so theres a ying and yang effect going on, though they ruined this in the last BL episode as apparently Black Lightning did exist in Earth 1 as did Thunder & Lightning, god this crossover is causing me a headache due to the poor coordination between the shows. |
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 13, 2019 0:05:26 GMT
Not much to add here but did anyone else HATE how Cisco was with the Monitor? all of fucking existence is hanging in the balance and he's arguing no don't give me my powers I want a normal life, BITCH if the multiverse is destroyed you wont have a fucking life you dumb motherfucker...what fucking heroes are these, if they are the best the multiverse has to offer it deserves to die. Stargazer I disagree about the what was the point of Cisco giving up his powers, this would have been a great way to put Cisco into a heroic light, have him ask the Monitor to restore his powers...btw so again he cant bring Oliver back to life but he can restore the powers of one of potentially most powerful meta's in the multiverse, right...But yeah have this season show Cisco thriving in his life without Vibe but then when the Crisis comes he knows he has to step up and he is willing to sacrifice that happiness potentially for the ability to better serve in this time of need, you know instead of being a spectacularly dumb and self centred fucking cunt and being all like but I don't want powers , fuck you Cisco I am glad you died...oh dammit they are going to bring him back though. I mean, yeah, with your scenario i'd be much more on board with it, but it would have to basically be an arc exactly like how you describe for it to land properly and have any appreciable payoff - last season we would have needed Cisco to actually find his powers to be a blessing and a curse and not just inexplicably whine that somehow his powers don't allow him to lead a normal life; and then really stress him having a good, happy, contented life without his powers through the entirety of this season leading up to Crisis. But we didn't really get that, least of all a good motivation for him to want to get rid of his power last season; and then this season he's barely been around. The one episode he featured in prominently was profoundly stupid; and showed that his level of competence as a leader is maybe on par with Barry's and maybe less, which is pretty bad. He went to the trouble of creating a Barry Allen AI to help him make decisions. And now the Monitor forces his powers back on him - he got rid of them for no good reason, we barely see him without his powers then he's given his powers back for no good reason; it's a zero sum game. There's no arc, there's no development. And I fully expect him to sacrifice himself by the end of this; making space on the team for Black Hole Guy. They absolutely should have used the last two months for a lot of this shit; especially this crap with the Spectre. I mean, talking about coming out of left field. They could have easily interwoven Lyla into episodes across the core three if not all four shows that been airing these last 8 weeks; having her look for the paragons and establishing both her backstory for why she's helping the monitor and how she has her powers now. Fuck, some of that could have even been a web series, with her, Ryan Choi, Routh-man and maybe Wells, hopping around the multiverse. And Wells is another one that who could have been fleshed out with him becoming Pariah and what that means, but instead they had him absent for episodes on end and then they dick around by introducing yet another fucking Harrison Wells from yet another fucking Earth; when they could have used someone like Harry and at least anchored the character through the audience's existing familiarity with him. And maybe that could have explained Earth 2 being the first universe destroyed, because of whatever Harry was doing on Earth 2 leading to the Anti-Monitor's release.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 0:30:13 GMT
Spectre will be addressed next episode, let's see what happens first but the chances of quality are kind of slim
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Post by dazz on Dec 13, 2019 1:00:30 GMT
Not much to add here but did anyone else HATE how Cisco was with the Monitor? all of fucking existence is hanging in the balance and he's arguing no don't give me my powers I want a normal life, BITCH if the multiverse is destroyed you wont have a fucking life you dumb motherfucker...what fucking heroes are these, if they are the best the multiverse has to offer it deserves to die. Stargazer I disagree about the what was the point of Cisco giving up his powers, this would have been a great way to put Cisco into a heroic light, have him ask the Monitor to restore his powers...btw so again he cant bring Oliver back to life but he can restore the powers of one of potentially most powerful meta's in the multiverse, right...But yeah have this season show Cisco thriving in his life without Vibe but then when the Crisis comes he knows he has to step up and he is willing to sacrifice that happiness potentially for the ability to better serve in this time of need, you know instead of being a spectacularly dumb and self centred fucking cunt and being all like but I don't want powers , fuck you Cisco I am glad you died...oh dammit they are going to bring him back though. I mean, yeah, with your scenario i'd be much more on board with it, but it would have to basically be an arc exactly like how you describe for it to land properly and have any appreciable payoff - last season we would have needed Cisco to actually find his powers to be a blessing and a curse and not just inexplicably whine that somehow his powers don't allow him to lead a normal life; and then really stress him having a good, happy, contented life without his powers through the entirety of this season leading up to Crisis. But we didn't really get that, least of all a good motivation for him to want to get rid of his power last season; and then this season he's barely been around. The one episode he featured in prominently was profoundly stupid; and showed that his level of competence as a leader is maybe on par with Barry's and maybe less, which is pretty bad. He went to the trouble of creating a Barry Allen AI to help him make decisions. And now the Monitor forces his powers back on him - he got rid of them for no good reason, we barely see him without his powers then he's given his powers back for no good reason; it's a zero sum game. There's no arc, there's no development. And I fully expect him to sacrifice himself by the end of this; making space on the team for Black Hole Guy. They absolutely should have used the last two months for a lot of this shit; especially this crap with the Spectre. I mean, talking about coming out of left field. They could have easily interwoven Lyla into episodes across the core three if not all four shows that been airing these last 8 weeks; having her look for the paragons and establishing both her backstory for why she's helping the monitor and how she has her powers now. Fuck, some of that could have even been a web series, with her, Ryan Choi, Routh-man and maybe Wells, hopping around the multiverse. And Wells is another one that who could have been fleshed out with him becoming Pariah and what that means, but instead they had him absent for episodes on end and then they dick around by introducing yet another fucking Harrison Wells from yet another fucking Earth; when they could have used someone like Harry and at least anchored the character through the audience's existing familiarity with him. And maybe that could have explained Earth 2 being the first universe destroyed, because of whatever Harry was doing on Earth 2 leading to the Anti-Monitor's release. With Cisco it could have been easy imo to set this up, have him as he does be concerned about the responsibilities and burdens of having powers, not wanting to pass them on to his kids, questioning if he would even want kids if it meant them possibly being metas like him and what that would mean for them, Frost tells him why freak out asking these questions when he has a girl from the future who can tell him what he does, he asks and turns out his future in her time is to be Vibe one of the earths protectors blah blah blah, but when he asks about his family, if he has kids or a wife, that's when she goes quiet and he realises he doesn't have that in the future, which he blames on his powers, then when he discovers the cure he battles with the choice to take it or not, with a part of him saying he cant do that because if he does he changes the future for sure, and who knows what those changes may cause, for drama have him talk with Nora again and he tells her he cannot do it because changing his future means changing her past changing her in some way and he cannot do that for such a selfish reason, he cannot break their "family" just so he may have another of his own, so then when Nora dies at the end of the season he is free to do so because her being gone means they have altered the future significantly so he is free to make whatever choice he wants.
This way his choice in Crisis to become Vibe is for him a sacrifice, for him he equates Vibe with never having a family of his own, which if Cisco is asking for his powers back you can have the Monitor say this to him, does he understand the price he will pay for his powers, his dreams of starting a family, marrying the woman he loves, they could all be taken in exchange.
Also why does being Vibe again matter? Cisco took the cure before why not again? this should be pointed out to add to the drama maybe? like what "cures" him is really repressing his powers and a second dose of the cure would leave twice the amount of whatever in his system, which would be a lethal dose, so if he became Vibe again he could never undo it like last time.
Personally if the heroes are meant to be the paragons then the seasons so far should have had the Monitor present in some way testing the heroes, like whaever villain hires someone to kill people in an episode of Batwoman turns out to be the Monitor in disguise testing Kate's courage, same as he tested J'ohn with his brother, the annoying thing is this season they failed to build to Crisis, the harped on it a lot but they didn't build to it at all, everything was fucking throw away, look at Arrow the entire series was leading up to building a device which turned Lyla into Harbinger who then turns on the Monitor, which unless they do a gotcha and show us nah the device prevented Anti-Monitor from possessing her properly and this is all a ruse then Arrow was a fucking waste.
So much build an anticipation and I am feeling utterly underwhelmed and peeved at the crossover, and now we have to wait a month? fuck you CW, this shit isn't good enough to wait for...so what is it 5 weeks? fucking 5 weeks...
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 13, 2019 1:08:28 GMT
Hmmm.... I guess I never equated the device Team Arrow built with it giving Lyla her powers. They made it so damn ambiguous, I thought after the device activated she had some vague understanding of what she had to do and used a portal or something created by the device or by the monitor or something. God, that was stupid.
With her turn against the Monitor, I've been meaning to re-watch the first installment to see if I missed anything during the battle with the Anti-Monitor's army on Earth-38. In the comics her betrayal came about because she became infected by one of the Anti-Monitor shadow creatures, but if anything like that happened or was hinted at, I didn't catch it; which not surprisingly the reason for a lot of theses characters behavior is just, because.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 13, 2019 20:39:08 GMT
The whole thing up until now has been a cross between Infinity War and Sharknado 5. Not that it's a bad thing.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 13, 2019 23:17:14 GMT
The whole thing up until now has been a cross between Infinity War and Sharknado 5. Not that it's a bad thing. or a particularly good thing.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 4:29:43 GMT
I don't have time to address everything today stargazer1682 but I wanted to make some comments since I didn't get around to it last night. I am curious if we are going to see the Legion return and fix everything by giving the remaining heroes a ring to go back in time 'cause earlier reports about the crossover said Winn was going to return for it (along with Wally who hasn't been seen yet either) and the last time we saw Winn he was with Saturn Girl and Mon-El and it made no sense to me why the Legion didn't return and warn Kara and everybody else about the Anti-Monitor since they are in the future and would have known about this and probably know how to defeat the Anti Monitor too or are we to believe the timeline has been changed and the future they come from no longer exists since the future Mia comes from must still exist since they were showing it in the future flashes until they were brought to the present.
I could see them going down a similar path to 'Endgame' with the remaining superheroes finding out the Anti Monitor's weakness then going back in time with either the help of the Legion or Barry running back in time to defeat the Anti Monitor before he is able to destroy any earths and while I would rather see this crossover have some effect on the shows going forward 'cause if they bring everyone back and make it all the way it was before it will feel like this has been for nothing I have a feeling they might go down that path especially with the amount of characters that are dead now. That being said I am also curious if Jessie is still alive after Earth 2 got destroyed 'cause the last time they mentioned her she was on a different earth (Earth 3 I believe) so she might still be alive but since the actress hasn't appeared for ages and they didn't even mention her when they were calling Nora the 'Fastest Woman Alive' last season it is more likely they killed her off. One last question where is Laurel? They had the Monitor test her and make it look like she was going to be part of this crossover but she is nowhere to be seen. 
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 14, 2019 6:23:33 GMT
I don't have time to address everything today stargazer1682 but I wanted to make some comments since I didn't get around to it last night. I am curious if we are going to see the Legion return and fix everything by giving the remaining heroes a ring to go back in time 'cause earlier reports about the crossover said Winn was going to return for it (along with Wally who hasn't been seen yet either) and the last time we saw Winn he was with Saturn Girl and Mon-El and it made no sense to me why the Legion didn't return and warn Kara and everybody else about the Anti-Monitor since they are in the future and would have known about this and probably know how to defeat the Anti Monitor too or are we to believe the timeline has been changed and the future they come from no longer exists since the future Mia comes from must still exist since they were showing it in the future flashes until they were brought to the present.
I could see them going down a similar path to 'Endgame' with the remaining superheroes finding out the Anti Monitor's weakness then going back in time with either the help of the Legion or Barry running back in time to defeat the Anti Monitor before he is able to destroy any earths and while I would rather see this crossover have some effect on the shows going forward 'cause if they bring everyone back and make it all the way it was before it will feel like this has been for nothing I have a feeling they might go down that path especially with the amount of characters that are dead now. That being said I am also curious if Jessie is still alive after Earth 2 got destroyed 'cause the last time they mentioned her she was on a different earth (Earth 3 I believe) so she might still be alive but since the actress hasn't appeared for ages and they didn't even mention her when they were calling Nora the 'Fastest Woman Alive' last season it is more likely they killed her off. One last question where is Laurel? They had the Monitor test her and make it look like she was going to be part of this crossover but she is nowhere to be seen. I had thought about mentioning her being on Earth 3, but I honestly couldn't remember if those circumstances might have changed after whatever Harry's last appearance was (I think last season. He was the one who brought Sherloq on, right?) But when they finally had Team Flash learn about Earth 2 and acknowledge Harry and Jesse, it was a moot point; and especially didn't matter since, by the end of Part 3, Earth 1 had become the last remaining Earth and then it was subsequently destroyed as well. I hadn't read anything before now about any involvement with the Legion or Winn. If any any of them would know how to harness time travel, I'd assume it'd be Brainiac 5, but their Legion rings really don't work that way anyway; it was just an inexplicable conceit used for the Legion's appearance in Smallville and when the Legion was on Supergirl two years ago, they had to resort to stasis to arrive at the present day, after being thrown back in time even further into the past; and their only way back to the future was some sort of rift or anomaly that had a finite window of staying open for them to get back through. I mean, if they're going to use time travel, which at this point seems plausible, they'd probably just use the version of the Waverider, which they already have access to. And since a portion of the comics Crisis involves a confrontation between the heroes and the Anti-Monitor at the dawn of time, some type of time travel shenanigans seems even more likely. As to things like the Legion's future or the future of Star City that Mia and the rest of the F Troop are from, they seem to be suggesting that Crisis is, itself, an event encompassing the whole of space and time. With a degree of exception, where things like the newspaper and Nora's knowledge of Barry's disappearance, the Crisis isn't strictly a fixed event; which is arguably indicated by how it was originally set to occur 4-5 years from now before things changed and it occurred in 2019 instead. And causality is all over the place, because Oliver leaves Felicity and baby Mia in 2019 because of the impending Crisis, ostensibly causing the future we saw throughout last season of Arrow; all of which was playing out before the events that transpired on the Flash that lead to Crisis being accelerated to 2019. Now with the F Troop's arrival in the present and the future knowledge they've imparted and the outright changes they've made, like destroying the site the Deathstroke gang originally formed in, they've completely undermined anything of the future we saw last year from ever happening - meaning that they were living out a future where, if Crisis even happened in that timeline, the likes of Mia, William and Connor were never originally involved, yet are now. Mind you, in the original comics, the Crisis was happening across time simultaneously, with different time periods bleed together; past, present and future.
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, fuck you Cisco I am glad you died...oh dammit they are going to bring him back though.