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Post by Spike Del Rey on Dec 20, 2019 14:06:15 GMT
There have been many questionable decisions made in Oscars history, but not giving Pulp Fiction Best Picture might be the worst. Nothing against Forrest Gump, it's a fine film, but c'mon...... And not giving Heath Ledger Best Actor for Brokeback Mountain might be even worse, but that's another topic for another day. I also call bullshit on Out Of Africa winning Best Picture for 1985. That movie should only be seen if you're looking for a cure for insomnia, it's that boring. Witness should have won instead. Out of Africa might have indeed put viewers to sleep if they hadn't already been in a coma since seeing 1981's winner Chariots of Fire. To think that beat out both Reds and Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 20, 2019 23:28:47 GMT
I've seen every one. All the nominees that are not lost but two and a handful on 3028's that I haven't got to yet.
Every one was "deserving" is some way. There was never a Plan 9 or Battlefield Earth type winner. Could some more deserving films have won, yes. Some of it was the times. Many thought Double Indemnity or Gaslight should have won in 1944 but voters went for Going My Way, a happier movie for the times. The Hurt Locker was the right movie at the right time. And some of the early talkies were dated more than anything. Cimarron was every Western cliche but it must have been a great spectacle in 1931. The Broadway Melody was hokey but it must have wowed audiences to hear people sing in a movie. And the Academy can be pretentious as Hell. No one would like every one because no one likes every genre. I hate musicals. I would rather watch Plan 9 than West Side Story.
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Post by OldAussie on Dec 20, 2019 23:51:28 GMT
Chariots of Fire is very good......
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 21, 2019 3:16:38 GMT
I wonder who will will Best Picture next. Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, most likely. What's strange is that it actually feels like the safest choice. The Irishman's release path still seems to have upset ppl. Quentin Tarantino has directed the safe Oscar choice... what a world. As for hindsight, the votes were from voters in the moment... for their time. The Oscars is not, nor should it be, Best Picture That Will Age The Best 15yrs & Beyond. I'd argue that not winning BP actually frees up a film's legacy & invites underdog charm... forever & ever more.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Dec 21, 2019 10:13:35 GMT
Seen 'em all. Dances With Wolves over Goodfellas is a bigger atrocity than Gump over Fiction.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Dec 21, 2019 10:37:32 GMT
Top third by decade:
1929/30 All Quiet On The Western Front
1934 It Happened One Night 1935 Mutiny on the Bounty* 1937 The Life of Émile Zola
1943 Casablanca 1946 The Best Years of Our Lives* 1949 All the King's Men
1950 All About Eve* 1954 On the Waterfront 1957 The Bridge on the River Kwai
1960 The Apartment 1962 Lawrence of Arabia* 1967 In the Heat of the Night
1972 The Godfather* 1974 The Godfather, Part II 1977 Annie Hall
1986 Platoon 1987 The Last Emperor* 1989 Driving Miss Daisy
1991 The Silence of the Lambs 1992 Unforgiven 1993 Schindler's List*
2006 The Departed 2007 No Country for Old Men 2009 The Hurt Locker*
2010 The Kings Speech 2013 12 Years a Slave* 2015 Spotlight
*= best of decade
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 21, 2019 11:01:33 GMT
It's all so very subjective and meaningless. Which is a better painting, the Mona Lisa or School of Athens? WHO decides?
Cavalcade is forgotten entirely and utterly by artists and audiences. The film about the big ape is not.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 21, 2019 16:02:29 GMT
I've seen every one. All the nominees that are not lost but two and a handful on 3028's that I haven't got to yet. Every one was "deserving" is some way. There was never a Plan 9 or Battlefield Earth type winner. Could some more deserving films have won, yes. Some of it was the times. Many thought Double Indemnity or Gaslight should have won in 1944 but voters went for Going My Way, a happier movie for the times. The Hurt Locker was the right movie at the right time. And some of the early talkies were dated more than anything. Cimarron was every Western cliche but it must have been a great spectacle in 1931. The Broadway Melody was hokey but it must have wowed audiences to hear people sing in a movie. And the Academy can be pretentious as Hell. No one would like every one because no one likes every genre. I hate musicals. I would rather watch Plan 9 than West Side Story.
You've seen all of them?
You're a movie aficionado, my friend. No, I'm a nut
We had a local TV station here that ran a ton of old movies. Pretty sure I seen Cavalcade, The Broadway Melody, Grand Hotel. The first time I seen the list, I discovered I had seen more than half already. Just a matter of filling in the blanks (this was before AMC and TCM) and keeping up. THe only nominees I haven't seen is The Patriot (lost), the White Parade and East Lynne (available at UCLA only). Backtracking some of the musicals were a chore. Not fut to watch a movie you KNOW you will hate.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 21, 2019 16:15:05 GMT
It's all so very subjective and meaningless. Which is a better painting, the Mona Lisa or School of Athens? WHO decides? Cavalcade is forgotten entirely and utterly by artists and audiences. The film about the big ape is not. Cavalcade gets a bad rap. It's a good movie. Very beautiful to look at, even in B&W. But it suffers from hammy acting. The movies were still learning how to transition from Silents, where you had to convey emotions with body and face alone, to talkies. People talk about Cavalcade like it's The Beast from Yucca Flats.
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Post by Dayodead on Dec 22, 2019 8:36:08 GMT
1941- 'How green was my valley' over 'Citizen Kane' and 'Maltese Falcon' might rival the Goodfellas / Pulp Fiction fiasco..
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Post by Vits on Dec 22, 2019 14:51:19 GMT
It's all so very subjective and meaningless. Which is a better painting, the Mona Lisa or School of Athens? WHO decides? Filmmaking is different than other art forms. Yes, there's always a subjectivity factor in regards to each person's taste for different genres, but one can still judge the craft. If you shoot, edit or score a scene in a way that makes no sense, it's a bad movie. The acting and the technical aspects have to be believable. The script has to follow plot, pacing and character development rules. Of course that there are experimental movies, but one has to go example by example. On the other hand, if you take cans and throw paint at a canvas, it can still be a good painting.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 22, 2019 18:12:17 GMT
Filmmaking is different than other art forms. Yes, there's always a subjectivity factor in regards to each person's taste for different genres, but one can still judge the craft. If you shoot, edit or score a scene in a way that makes no sense, it's a bad movie. The acting and the technical aspects have to be believable. The script has to follow plot, pacing and character development rules. Of course that there are experimental movies, but one has to go example by example. On the other hand, if you take cans and throw paint at a canvas, it can still be a good painting. The difference between an experimental and a professional film is one thing-but if you have 5 films of roughly the same professional level, then choosing which is the best is entirely subjective. That is why I used the School of Athens vs Mona Lisa example--to suggest one is better than the other is just too subjective. Ultimately it means nothing since it can never be objectively determined even among artists.
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Post by hi224 on Jan 6, 2020 0:12:16 GMT
I wonder who will will Best Picture next. Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, most likely. eh I am not discounting Parasite, The Irishman, and Marriage Story at all.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Jan 6, 2020 0:14:44 GMT
I'm only missing four, wow, I've been catching up.
Wings Cimarron Cavalcade The Life of Emile Zola
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 6, 2020 0:44:31 GMT
All the ones I've seen
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 1:48:09 GMT
I've seen 33 of them.
I have not seen a Best Picture winner since The Hurt Locker, which in no way should have even been nominated.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 15, 2020 17:45:30 GMT
Actually, I subscribe to the Henry James model of critical analysis: evaluate the art in terms of what the artist was trying to achieve and consider how close he/she came to achieving it. Assuming we know what the artist was trying to achieve. I think a lot of creative decisions come down to "it seemed like a cool idea at the time!"
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Post by Vits on Jan 15, 2020 20:12:43 GMT
Actually, I subscribe to the Henry James model of critical analysis: evaluate the art in terms of what the artist was trying to achieve and consider how close he/she came to achieving it. Assuming we know what the artist was trying to achieve. I think a lot of creative decisions come down to "it seemed like a cool idea at the time!"
Are we talking about the idea in general terms or in details? What about artistic/technical elements that were suggested to the director and they decided to change it? What about accidentally improvised moments? You mentioned AMERICAN BEAUTY: LESTER throwing the plate to the wall; the entire last part (JANE & RICKY being arrested for LESTER's murder) being left on the cutting room floor.
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Post by wolf359 on Jan 16, 2020 5:19:34 GMT
"1917" is probably the Favorite to Win Best Picture at the Academy Awards this year.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 16, 2020 6:01:12 GMT
I can vouch for Wings. A great film. I saw it on the big screen a few years ago in conjunction with the restoration/bluray release. What a great time. I've seen the majority of the 1930's to 1990's winners, but after that it's hit and miss, especially this past decade. That is pretty much what I was going to say after reading the first few posts where people said that they hadn't seen 'Wings".
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