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Post by darkpast on Dec 22, 2019 17:38:55 GMT
I'm just floored that barely grossing a billion dollars is a disappointment now. at least Kennedy can not survive this
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 17:47:29 GMT
195 Million Dollar Opening Weekend
LOL, So much for that Boycott!
$175.5m actually by the estimates which is a 20% drop from TLJ, and TLJ was only a 10% drop from TFA, which along with the overall box office decline every defender has claimed was simply due to the anomaly of how big TFA was, but this is the only time a SW trilogy hasn't built up their opening weekends, even the PT saw consistent rises in opening weekends.
I mean yes compared to most films this is a great opening but for a film of this size let alone this legacy positioned as it is, well in that case this is a terrible result, hopefully the good word of mouth however will meet or exceed a 3.2x multiplier for the movies run, because if this opening is anything like TLJ's then this could end up grossing less than $1b which for SW in this day and age will be a fail.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 17:48:45 GMT
If "THE RISE OF SKYWALKER" makes more than Disney's Goal for the Movie's Opening Weekend (160 Million Dollars) then it is going to be 1 heck of a Torpedo Hit on The Fandom Menace. Not really. If it drops from Last Jedi's 220 to 160, the Fandom Menace are going to be crowing with glee. Especially since that means it may well not even make a billion overall.
It looks like it will have 175 Million Dollar Opening Weekend (If Disney's Goal for the Movie's Opening Weekend really was for it to make 160 Million Dollars then it went 15 Million Dollars over it).
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 17:50:25 GMT
195 Million Dollar Opening Weekend
LOL, So much for that Boycott!
$175.5m actually by the estimates which is a 20% drop from TLJ, and TLJ was only a 10% drop from TFA, which along with the overall box office decline every defender has claimed was simply due to the anomaly of how big TFA was, but this is the only time a SW trilogy hasn't built up their opening weekends, even the PT saw consistent rises in opening weekends.
I mean yes compared to most films this is a great opening but for a film of this size let alone this legacy positioned as it is, well in that case this is a terrible result, hopefully the good word of mouth however will meet or exceed a 3.2x multiplier for the movies run, because if this opening is anything like TLJ's then this could end up grossing less than $1b which for SW in this day and age will be a fail.
Hey, what really matters in the end is your own opinion and in my own opinion.....I Loved This Movie and I consider it to be a Success.
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 17:53:46 GMT
I'm just floored that barely grossing a billion dollars is a disappointment now. That's what happens when the movie cost over $400m at the lowest estimates to make and market, $1b should still make it a "success" but not by much, but remember when grossing $100m used to be an accomplishment?
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 17:55:05 GMT
I'm just floored that barely grossing a billion dollars is a disappointment now. That's what happens when the movie cost over $400m at the lowest estimates to make and market, $1b should still make it a "success" but not by much, but remember when grossing $100m used to be an accomplishment? DISNEY should really still consider it a Success if the Movie just makes 3 Quarters of a Billion Dollars.
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 18:00:54 GMT
$175.5m actually by the estimates which is a 20% drop from TLJ, and TLJ was only a 10% drop from TFA, which along with the overall box office decline every defender has claimed was simply due to the anomaly of how big TFA was, but this is the only time a SW trilogy hasn't built up their opening weekends, even the PT saw consistent rises in opening weekends.
I mean yes compared to most films this is a great opening but for a film of this size let alone this legacy positioned as it is, well in that case this is a terrible result, hopefully the good word of mouth however will meet or exceed a 3.2x multiplier for the movies run, because if this opening is anything like TLJ's then this could end up grossing less than $1b which for SW in this day and age will be a fail.
Hey, what really matters in the end is your own opinion and in my own opinion.....I Loved This Movie and I consider it to be a Success. In terms of personal enjoyment I agree, but if you want SW films in the future then the BO is what really matters, but luckily with Dinsey+ and the success of The Mandalorian maybe less so, I would rather have a 8-10 episode series a year than a movie anyway, and if they want to give us multiple series a year then yeah sod the movies altogether.
But it is that thing that so many people keep doing the ha howd the boycott go? well if there was one it clearly went well, I mean it's SW for Christ sake even if boycotting cost a 50% decline from TLJ this would have still made $110m domestic, wouldn't mean the boycott failed, though was anyone but the most pathetic twits trying to boycott the movie? there is a difference between boycotting and just not wanting to see the movie.
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 18:02:02 GMT
That's what happens when the movie cost over $400m at the lowest estimates to make and market, $1b should still make it a "success" but not by much, but remember when grossing $100m used to be an accomplishment? DISNEY should really still consider it a Success if the Movie just makes 3 Quarters of a Billion Dollars.
That would mean they lost like $150m on the movie, why would they consider that a success?
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 22, 2019 18:04:22 GMT
Not really. If it drops from Last Jedi's 220 to 160, the Fandom Menace are going to be crowing with glee. Especially since that means it may well not even make a billion overall.
It looks like it will have 175 Million Dollar Opening Weekend (If Disney's Goal for the Movie's Opening Weekend really was for it to make 160 Million Dollars then it went 15 Million Dollars over it).
Kneel before The Fandom Menace, dog!
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 18:07:14 GMT
It looks like it will have 175 Million Dollar Opening Weekend (If Disney's Goal for the Movie's Opening Weekend really was for it to make 160 Million Dollars then it went 15 Million Dollars over it).
Kneel before The Fandom Menace, dog!
What for ?
The Boycott still failed.
Disney made over it's goal for the Opening Weekend.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 18:09:19 GMT
Hey, what really matters in the end is your own opinion and in my own opinion.....I Loved This Movie and I consider it to be a Success. In terms of personal enjoyment I agree, but if you want SW films in the future then the BO is what really matters, but luckily with Dinsey+ and the success of The Mandalorian maybe less so, I would rather have a 8-10 episode series a year than a movie anyway, and if they want to give us multiple series a year then yeah sod the movies altogether.
But it is that thing that so many people keep doing the ha howd the boycott go? well if there was one it clearly went well, I mean it's SW for Christ sake even if boycotting cost a 50% decline from TLJ this would have still made $110m domestic, wouldn't mean the boycott failed, though was anyone but the most pathetic twits trying to boycott the movie? there is a difference between boycotting and just not wanting to see the movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 18:11:18 GMT
Not really. If it drops from Last Jedi's 220 to 160, the Fandom Menace are going to be crowing with glee. Especially since that means it may well not even make a billion overall.
It looks like it will have 175 Million Dollar Opening Weekend (If Disney's Goal for the Movie's Opening Weekend really was for it to make 160 Million Dollars then it went 15 Million Dollars over it).
Still a 60 million dropoff from The Last Jedi. If that carries on, this movie won't break one billion dollars. That would be an embarrassment to Disney.
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 22, 2019 18:11:51 GMT
Kneel before The Fandom Menace, dog!
What for ?
The Boycott still failed.
Disney made over it's goal for the Opening Weekend.
You clearly don't understand box office.
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Post by scabab on Dec 22, 2019 18:12:38 GMT
Making $1 billion is good but it ain't anything like it was a decade ago. Nowadays $2 billion is practically what $1 billion was a decade ago.
Probably in a decade from now a movie making $2 billion won't be anything special.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 18:15:11 GMT
What for ?
The Boycott still failed.
Disney made over it's goal for the Opening Weekend.
You clearly don't understand box office.
Hey, I learned a very long time ago that what really matters in the end is only your own opinion and in my own opinion.....I think that the Movie is a Success and as I have already said a dozen times before, when I saw the Movie yesterday....I Loved It!
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 22, 2019 18:33:49 GMT
Never really understood getting excited either way over how much a film makes or doesn't make. Surely it should be purely about how good or utterly crap it is.
And from what I've read about this film it's in that utterly crap camp. Whether it made $2 billion, $1 billion, half a billion or whatever makes no odds. Surely it's not something you can really get that excited about whatever the financial outcome (unless you have Disney shares I guess...)? 🤔
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 18:38:39 GMT
Kneel before The Fandom Menace, dog!
What for ?
The Boycott still failed.
Disney made over it's goal for the Opening Weekend.
Was that their goal or was that their estimates based on recent data, those are 2 entirely different things, and as I think I said before Disney is known for low balling their estimates in public as to appear to overachieve , they are smart that way, appear humble and look to rise above compared to most studios who aim high and there by look cocky and wind up with egg on their face.
A Boycott fails when it fails to cost a company money, if this drop is due to a boycott then it probably succeeded because it cost Disney 20% or more of the box office during the prime time period for box office returns, and it only would fail if nothing comes from it, if Disney decide to eat the loss and F the boycotters whoever they are then yeah boycotting the product failed, or if Disney rubbed it in the boycotters face by say going ok F you Kennedy is renewed for 10 more years and the RJ trilogy is greenlit properly, that would be a fail to end all fails, but if it causes Disney to alter things in anyway they wanted things altered then they succeeded in their goals atleast somewhat.
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 18:46:48 GMT
Never really understood getting excited either way over how much a film makes or doesn't make. Surely it should be purely about how good or utterly crap it is. And from what I've read about this film it's in that utterly crap camp. Whether it made $2 billion, $1 billion, half a billion or whatever makes no odds. Surely it's not something you can really get that excited about whatever the financial outcome (unless you have Disney shares I guess...)? 🤔 Considering how well a movie does financially impacts the brands longevity and future BO numbers matter more than how good a film is, atleast for franchise movies, for individual movies less so unless you are a specific fan of the director, I don't love all his work but I do like a lot of what I have seen so I like it when Guillermo Del Toro movies do well, and I dislike it when they do not.
Back in 97 when Batman & Robin bombed it almost killed the CBM genre, luckily Blade & X-Men were far enough along in the pipe that they weren't shit canned like some other films were, then Blade and X-Men's success reinvigorated the genre, which again could have died out due to the crap fest which was 2005-2007 luckily The Dark Knight & Iron Man's one two combo of critical and financial success birthed the modern boom of CBM's we have today, and I love me some CBM's so their success meant I got a shed load more movies that I like and enjoy getting year after year.
As for SW if TROS flops that will be the 2nd movie from them to do so which could put a pin in any SW film project for the foreseeable future, hence why people care if they want more SW films without needing to wait a decade or more.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 22:38:15 GMT
What for ?
The Boycott still failed.
Disney made over it's goal for the Opening Weekend.
Was that their goal or was that their estimates based on recent data, those are 2 entirely different things, and as I think I said before Disney is known for low balling their estimates in public as to appear to overachieve , they are smart that way, appear humble and look to rise above compared to most studios who aim high and there by look cocky and wind up with egg on their face.
A Boycott fails when it fails to cost a company money, if this drop is due to a boycott then it probably succeeded because it cost Disney 20% or more of the box office during the prime time period for box office returns, and it only would fail if nothing comes from it, if Disney decide to eat the loss and F the boycotters whoever they are then yeah boycotting the product failed, or if Disney rubbed it in the boycotters face by say going ok F you Kennedy is renewed for 10 more years and the RJ trilogy is greenlit properly, that would be a fail to end all fails, but if it causes Disney to alter things in anyway they wanted things altered then they succeeded in their goals atleast somewhat.
LOL, I have a strange feeling that we are just not going to agree on this one no matter what.
If your open to doing or or at the very least consider doing it, How about we just agree to disagree on this subject ?
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Post by merh on Dec 23, 2019 0:04:37 GMT
Tracking for a $450 million worldwide debut, or as the haters say, "Star Wars is dead!!!!" Yes the finale, the last chapter the swan song in the Skywalker Saga a trilogy of trilogies 40 years in the making, of one of the most popular franchises in all of history...is tracking to do almost a thrid of what Endgame did, when 4 years ago SW crushed Avengers numbers like they were nothing, eclipsing their "poultry" $1.5b peak by over $500m, now they are expected to be doing barely over 1/3 of Avengers numbers for their big epic finale, lets celebrate the coup de gras of Star Wars.
Oh and you get that due to the high cost of this movie it's got an insanely high break even point right? if TFA and TLJ are anything to go by this is going to need to gross between $900 and $1b just to not lose Disney money, and depending on how well received it is by the fans it could either smash that number like it was nothing or struggle and scrape tooth and nail to reach it, it's a little too early to tell at this point.
Dude, the franchise is worth it. That this ended it well is all they needed. They also set up numerous potential Disney+ shows. It shouldn't have taken this long. Lucas got distracted. The original vision was 9 movies, one every 3 years so Episode 1-1986 Episode 2-1989 Episode 3-1992 Episode 7-1995 Episode 8-1998 Episode 9-2001
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