|
Post by dazz on Dec 23, 2019 0:25:22 GMT
Yes the finale, the last chapter the swan song in the Skywalker Saga a trilogy of trilogies 40 years in the making, of one of the most popular franchises in all of history...is tracking to do almost a thrid of what Endgame did, when 4 years ago SW crushed Avengers numbers like they were nothing, eclipsing their "poultry" $1.5b peak by over $500m, now they are expected to be doing barely over 1/3 of Avengers numbers for their big epic finale, lets celebrate the coup de gras of Star Wars.
Oh and you get that due to the high cost of this movie it's got an insanely high break even point right? if TFA and TLJ are anything to go by this is going to need to gross between $900 and $1b just to not lose Disney money, and depending on how well received it is by the fans it could either smash that number like it was nothing or struggle and scrape tooth and nail to reach it, it's a little too early to tell at this point.
Dude, the franchise is worth it. That this ended it well is all they needed. They also set up numerous potential Disney+ shows. It shouldn't have taken this long. Lucas got distracted. The original vision was 9 movies, one every 3 years so Episode 1-1986 Episode 2-1989 Episode 3-1992 Episode 7-1995 Episode 8-1998 Episode 9-2001 Again this has nothing to do with what I said.
|
|
|
Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 23, 2019 0:53:39 GMT
That was $290 million. Deadline are saying that because this movie opened a week later into December could have had an effect because people are busy Christmas shopping but we'll see. I always expected this would do worse than The Last Jedi but would still pass $1 billion. nope the TLJ and MSM attacking fans for 2 years Yes, the fans who promise to boycott people's entire careers and post death threats online deserve respect.
|
|
|
Post by darkpast on Dec 23, 2019 0:57:12 GMT
nope the TLJ and MSM attacking fans for 2 years Yes, the fans who promise to boycott people's entire careers and post death threats online deserve respect. can't paint the fandom as bad cause .0001% are assholes
|
|
|
Post by merh on Dec 23, 2019 4:30:30 GMT
Dude, the franchise is worth it. That this ended it well is all they needed. They also set up numerous potential Disney+ shows. It shouldn't have taken this long. Lucas got distracted. The original vision was 9 movies, one every 3 years so Episode 1-1986 Episode 2-1989 Episode 3-1992 Episode 7-1995 Episode 8-1998 Episode 9-2001 Again this has nothing to do with what I said.
They needed a good end to the saga. We have potential tv shows set up. Poe has a story they can investigate. We saw a potential show set up for Lando & that girl looking for her past. There is potential hanging in the story.
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Dec 23, 2019 4:47:45 GMT
Again this has nothing to do with what I said.
They needed a good end to the saga. We have potential tv shows set up. Poe has a story they can investigate. We saw a potential show set up for Lando & that girl looking for her past. There is potential hanging in the story. Which has what to do with the box office?
I am not criticising the movie's story, I have yet to see the movie, I am discussing the movie's box office and significant drop in attendance, as well as it's high cost which set a high bar for it to pass to just break even, nothing about that is any way related to the responses you have given.
Also did SW need more loose ends for spin offs? we are already getting a Cassian Andor series, an Obi-Wan series, another season of the Mandalorian, I dunno if Resistance has another season, they have the loose ends from Rebels to carry on from, KOTR they can tell, years of comic and novel materials they can adapt, there is no need for more loose threads which are at best years and years away from being worked on if at all.
|
|
|
Post by merh on Dec 23, 2019 5:03:29 GMT
They needed a good end to the saga. We have potential tv shows set up. Poe has a story they can investigate. We saw a potential show set up for Lando & that girl looking for her past. There is potential hanging in the story. Which has what to do with the box office?
I am not criticising the movie's story, I have yet to see the movie, I am discussing the movie's box office and significant drop in attendance, as well as it's high cost which set a high bar for it to pass to just break even, nothing about that is any way related to the responses you have given.
Also did SW need more loose ends for spin offs? we are already getting a Cassian Andor series, an Obi-Wan series, another season of the Mandalorian, I dunno if Resistance has another season, they have the loose ends from Rebels to carry on from, KOTR they can tell, years of comic and novel materials they can adapt, there is no need for more loose threads which are at best years and years away from being worked on if at all.
That they may not NEED a giant box office if this leads to other moneymaking potential. Did you know the reason they made the Incredible Hulk movie was toy sales were good off the Hulk? Which is a whole other thing for SW. Merchandising. I do not get the mentality of SW fans. When Lucas wasnt making movies, they were releasing books with a trove of characters. Marvel can have 3 movies a year & was it 4 Netflix series, AoS & Cloak & Dagger? Why are SW fans so limited? Why should it be so hard to track multiple stories? I pretty much see all the MCU & DC movies plus the SW ones. Jurassic Park/World. We have a new Matrix coming (really? After that 3rd one?) John Wick... We can all keep track of multiple plots of stories. There are dozens, maybe hundreds of planets in the SW universe. All have potential stories. And all are reason to make these shows. To sell merchandise. Lucas said he made more off toy sales than directing the SW films
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 23, 2019 14:22:47 GMT
Honestly that's not a great opening.
Hell Endgame opened with a billion in it's weekend.
I guess Star Wars really is dead.
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Dec 23, 2019 15:40:50 GMT
Which has what to do with the box office?
I am not criticising the movie's story, I have yet to see the movie, I am discussing the movie's box office and significant drop in attendance, as well as it's high cost which set a high bar for it to pass to just break even, nothing about that is any way related to the responses you have given.
Also did SW need more loose ends for spin offs? we are already getting a Cassian Andor series, an Obi-Wan series, another season of the Mandalorian, I dunno if Resistance has another season, they have the loose ends from Rebels to carry on from, KOTR they can tell, years of comic and novel materials they can adapt, there is no need for more loose threads which are at best years and years away from being worked on if at all.
That they may not NEED a giant box office if this leads to other moneymaking potential. Did you know the reason they made the Incredible Hulk movie was toy sales were good off the Hulk? Which is a whole other thing for SW. Merchandising. I do not get the mentality of SW fans. When Lucas wasnt making movies, they were releasing books with a trove of characters. Marvel can have 3 movies a year & was it 4 Netflix series, AoS & Cloak & Dagger? Why are SW fans so limited? Why should it be so hard to track multiple stories? I pretty much see all the MCU & DC movies plus the SW ones. Jurassic Park/World. We have a new Matrix coming (really? After that 3rd one?) John Wick... We can all keep track of multiple plots of stories. There are dozens, maybe hundreds of planets in the SW universe. All have potential stories. And all are reason to make these shows. To sell merchandise. Lucas said he made more off toy sales than directing the SW films That depends on how big a gain in merch they can make off of this, SW has dropped almost 20% year to year in terms of retail sales since 2016, they went from like $3b in sales to less than $2b in just 2 years even with movies coming out, if this see's a rise in merch back to $3b then yeah at this point TROS could make not a penny more and Disney would be like F it we made our money, but that's unlikely as those merch numbers are the result of 10 other films, 2 other long running TV shows, and several original video game, novel and comic creations, so unlikely last minute add ons to the legacy are going to raise merch sales by almost 40%.
And Disney wont move forward of other projects if TROS fails to make money, that's common sense, they will invest it in properties that show profitability, not ones that stem from failures, have we been hearing anything about Solo sequel or spin off ideas? no because it bombed and Disney decided to scrap the "A Star Wars Story" series in it's tracks afterwards, so if TROS bomb expect much the same reaction towards it's specific characters.
Also god you are so clueless, it isn't about not being able to follow multiple storylines, this is the idiotic excuse Disney and WB have used for the separation of TV and films and why certain characters are barred from appearing in the TV shows, which we all call them out on the bullshit nature of it, it is about the money, these Disney+ shows cost GOT money to make, Disney is not going to debut 3 seasons of these shows on the service at the same time due to it being less profitable for them to do so, this is where the MCU had the benefit, their network TV shows were done a lot cheaper and they look it, the Netflix shows they were being paid to make for Netflix to air them, so it was no skin off their nose, as for movies Disney is not going to risk it when Solo bombed so hard when it only had a 6 month break between it and TLJ, and why give up an extra release slot they could give to Pixar or take away from Marvel or not develop a Fox IP they brought?
It is not the story elements that limit SW it is the sandpit they are in, Disney is not going to spunk $500m on SW shows a year to just throw $200-300m of that down the drain by overcrowding their service so that no one show is worth the price of it's cost, they also are not going to pump out more $250m movies and shell out $150-200m in marketing per film if they aren't making heaps of cash back, especially if doing so means taking food off of another branches plate.
And ultimately how big merch does will tend to follow how big a movie does, a $1b movie is a much bigger ad for toys and merch than a $500m grossing movie, because twice as many people potentially saw the $1b movie compared to the $500m movie, so a bomb in theatres means a $400m+ advert for their merch was seen by less than anywhere as low as 100m people world wide, the more people who see the movie a means the more money Disney makes or atleast the less they may lose, but it also means the dollar per eyeball ratio is shrinking, $900m is basically $4 per person they spent on advertising the new merch, $1.8b would mean they spent $2 per person to advertise as well as widening the scope of who they advertised to, so if it bombs it fails on multiple levels, where as if it is a success it is also such on multiple levels, so regardless Disney wants and needs these movies to be successful, they wont make them otherwise.
|
|
|
Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 23, 2019 16:21:16 GMT
Box Office Opening Weekend:
The Force Awakens
Domestic = $248 million Worldwide = $529 million
The Last Jedi
Domestic = $220 million Worldwide = $450 million
The Rise of Skywalker
Domestic = $175 million Worldwide = $374 million
|
|
|
Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 23, 2019 20:31:56 GMT
For what it’s worth, the movie’s OW total came in a bit higher than the estimates.
|
|
|
Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 23, 2019 20:38:51 GMT
For what it’s worth, the movie’s OW total came in a bit higher than the estimates. That must depend on the source. I’ve seen sources that say they were hoping for $250 million domestic.
|
|
|
Post by darkpast on Dec 23, 2019 20:41:20 GMT
For what it’s worth, the movie’s OW total came in a bit higher than the estimates. That must depend on the source. I’ve seen sources that say they were hoping for $250 million domestic. movie was tracking for 175m ow, but analysts were predicting 200m+ ow. Reviews probably hurt ow somewhat
|
|
|
Post by johnspartan on Dec 23, 2019 20:56:36 GMT
www.wsj.com/articles/star-wars-opens-to-massivebut-series-low-175-5-million-11577039960‘Star Wars’ Leads Box Office With DISAPPOINTING $175.5 Million Final installment of Skywalker trilogy opens down 20% from ‘Last Jedi’ debut After mixed fan reaction and thumbs-down from most critics, “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” took in an estimated $175.5 million in the U.S. and Canada over the weekend, the lowest opening of the trilogy produced by Walt Disney Co. The “Skywalker” opening, which theater owners had hoped would debut north of $200 million, is 29% below the 2015 installment “The Force Awakens” and 20% below “The Last Jedi” from 2017. Though massive by most standards, the “Skywalker” opening fell short of exhibitor hopes, considering it was the culmination of a series accustomed to record-setting openings.
|
|
|
Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 23, 2019 20:57:04 GMT
For what it’s worth, the movie’s OW total came in a bit higher than the estimates. That must depend on the source. I’ve seen sources that say they were hoping for $250 million domestic. I’m talking about the weekend estimates from yesterday, where Disney “estimated” that the movie’s final OW gross would be $175.5 million.
|
|
|
Post by scabab on Dec 23, 2019 22:46:52 GMT
Looks like the final actual total was almost $3 million higher than the estimates.
|
|
|
Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 23, 2019 23:33:56 GMT
Looks like the final actual total was almost $3 million higher than the estimates. Okay. That’s slightly good news where it’s concerned. What’s your gut feeling on where it’s going from here?
|
|
|
Post by scabab on Dec 24, 2019 0:57:32 GMT
Okay. That’s slightly good news where it’s concerned. What’s your gut feeling on where it’s going from here? I'd say it's a given that it will do worse than The Last Jedi. It'll probably be closer to Rogue One if anything but it might beat that out worldwide. I would be surprised if it passed Rogue One domestically though. If it had the exact same legs as The Last Jedi it would just scrape $500 million. Maybe something like $500 million in US and $1.1 billion worldwide...at a guess. Everyone will compare it to the opening of the last two movies but it's not an accurate comparison because this one opened on a later week that's generally much quieter. Aquaman opened this weekend last year to only $68 million and finished with $335 million. The reason the new Jumanji opened a lot higher than the last one was because that one also opened this weekend two years ago.
|
|
|
Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 24, 2019 2:11:37 GMT
John Campea, who hates TROS, admits it's stupid to try to portray it as flopping financially:
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Dec 24, 2019 2:35:02 GMT
Okay. That’s slightly good news where it’s concerned. What’s your gut feeling on where it’s going from here? I'd say it's a given that it will do worse than The Last Jedi. It'll probably be closer to Rogue One if anything but it might beat that out worldwide. I would be surprised if it passed Rogue One domestically though. If it had the exact same legs as The Last Jedi it would just scrape $500 million. Maybe something like $500 million in US and $1.1 billion worldwide...at a guess. Everyone will compare it to the opening of the last two movies but it's not an accurate comparison because this one opened on a later week that's generally much quieter. Aquaman opened this weekend last year to only $68 million and finished with $335 million. The reason the new Jumanji opened a lot higher than the last one was because that one also opened this weekend two years ago. Interesting point about the weekend, that's a fair enough reason I guess for the lower opening, though the Jumanji comparison is a little weak, could also be that Jumanji 3 did better because Jumanji 2 was just 2 years and not 22 years ago like 1 was, and Jumanji 2 was nearly a member of the billion dollar club.
But if the weekend being too close to X-Mas is why TROS's opening is down do you figure this will carry over to the rest of the movies run or do you think it can make up those loses over time? As you mentioned Jumanji & Aquaman both of those ended up clearly making up for their stifled openings, so what do you think the chances are TROS can do the same?
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Dec 24, 2019 2:45:16 GMT
John Campea, who hates TROS, admits it's stupid to try to portray it as flopping financially: He is also a blatant cock suckling sycophant for SW and has used and made every excuse under the sun to sugar coat and not admit to there being any sort of problems with SW or Lucasfilm, but then you really cannot say it flopped as that means it failed to make money, that's not something we will know until the final box office for the films entire run comes in, or it passes $1b whichever comes first.
One can say the opening was a disappointment IF it failed to meet expectations, but then that's such a slippery slope as which expectations do you judge by? I mean after Friday it was expected to do $190m domestically for the weekend, so $175 is a disappointment as it means that the box office fell out a little after opening day which is not a good thing, but I mean it can turn this around, Scabab mentioned Jumanji and Aquaman before, those crushed overall despite weaker openings, so TROS could do the same thing, which would be cool to see.
|
|