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Post by Skaathar on Feb 2, 2020 5:02:16 GMT
I don't understand why exactly you're responding to me, as I originally stated I'm glad that the Shang Chi cast is primarily Asian. Rather my question to you since you seem so pro-bending is, following your logic that Marvel can do whatever they want with their intellectual properties, would you be perfectly happy had Eddie Redmayne been cast as Shang Chi? Sure, but I’m not Asian. Ok, good to know. Thanks for the straightforward answer. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, because it would irritate me if they cast a non-asian for an Asian character. If that's perfectly fine for you then good for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 22:06:12 GMT
That's the same as asking if I'm interested in casting Shia Laboof, and I'm not interested in casting Shia Laboof as Shia Laboof in the Shia Laboof story. This is the problem with hypothetical situations. No to Shia Laboof because I'd go to great lengths to avoid him, yes to Sam Jackson as Nick Fury because it makes sense, yes to Tessa Thompson and Idris Elba because they make sense and no to Black Panther because it doesn't make sense.
I don't duck anything. I answered these already. Saying no to Shia Laboof isn't the contradiction you think it is. Most onscreen characters could be anybody, especially in science fiction and fantasy. An argument could be made some characters are an exception, and I'm about 99% certain you know Black Panther's one of them. An exception to the rule doesn't disprove the rule.
It's called hedging the question. Casting Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie makes no more or less sense than casting Shia as T'Challa. Why exactly is Black Panther an exception? He's a fictional character from a fictional land. From your logic, that means he can be portrayed by any actor the studio chooses. So why would he be an exception? I know it's hedging the question. It was all but dead in the water when you said Shia Leboof. You couldn't even keep it ambiguous and say a "white actor" playing T'Challa, you had to go with Shia Leboof.
My point coming in here was science fiction and fantasy allows for more liberties with the casting. It doesn't need to be politically correct or pandering. For example, if you filled the war room in the Pentagon with women, that may be less realistic in today's world. If you filled the war room on Earth colony 65-a1 in the Gamma Quadrant in the year 24018 AD with women, it's not so pandering.
Black Panther is a fictional character from a fictional land, this is my argument and this is my logic. The next round of scrutiny would have me ask if it's worth it to deduct a significant black character of its authenticity and give it to a white actor. My answer is no. He's a black king, black superhero and black character whose influences include prominent black figures like Marcus Garvey. Casting a white actor to play him is whitewashing a perfectly good character.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 14, 2020 17:39:51 GMT
It's called hedging the question. Casting Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie makes no more or less sense than casting Shia as T'Challa. Why exactly is Black Panther an exception? He's a fictional character from a fictional land. From your logic, that means he can be portrayed by any actor the studio chooses. So why would he be an exception? I know it's hedging the question. It was all but dead in the water when you said Shia Leboof. You couldn't even keep it ambiguous and say a "white actor" playing T'Challa, you had to go with Shia Leboof.
My point coming in here was science fiction and fantasy allows for more liberties with the casting. It doesn't need to be politically correct or pandering. For example, if you filled the war room in the Pentagon with women, that may be less realistic in today's world. If you filled the war room on Earth colony 65-a1 in the Gamma Quadrant in the year 24018 AD with women, it's not so pandering.
Black Panther is a fictional character from a fictional land, this is my argument and this is my logic. The next round of scrutiny would have me ask if it's worth it to deduct a significant black character of its authenticity and give it to a white actor. My answer is no. He's a black king, black superhero and black character whose influences include prominent black figures like Marcus Garvey. Casting a white actor to play him is whitewashing a perfectly good character.
The reason I specifically stated Shia is because you said this: So according to you, they could cast any actor they think is a good fit for the role and change that character's appearance or backstory to fit. Right? Shia is not a bad actor, has some solid skills if you watched his more recent movies. The issue is he doesn't have the right color or physical qualities to look like the King of Wakanda. Similarly, Tessa Thompson is a good actress, just that she doesn't have the right color or physical qualities to match Valkyrie. So I don't see why you're fine with Tess as Valkyrie but seem to balk at the idea that Shia could be T'Challa. In your response, it seems you're dead set on claiming Black Panther is a black king, a black superhero and a black character. But you don't seem to apply the same rules to either Heimdall or Valkyrie. And this is where I wonder about the double standards. Are you saying it's fine to change the race/color of white characters but we should maintain the race/color of black characters? Also just FYI, there are Caucasians in Africa, so it wouldn't be weird to have a white person in a fictional land in Africa.
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