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Post by darkpast on Jan 31, 2020 8:42:38 GMT
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 14, 2020 18:26:43 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Feb 14, 2020 18:46:08 GMT
Finn became a useless character the second they revealed he was a janitor
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 14, 2020 20:29:37 GMT
Finn became a useless character the second they revealed he was a janitor Yes, Finn acts like he's been made to do horrible acts by the First Order. In reality he had a "plush" job cleaning floors/toilets and filling the trash compactor. He didn't have anything to desert for.
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Post by johnspartan on Feb 14, 2020 23:55:34 GMT
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Feb 15, 2020 1:14:11 GMT
List of people who are going to have triggered meltdowns when they see this: * Reylos * People angered by Boyega defending Kelly Marie Tran * โThe Immaculate Virgin MarRey Sueโ demographic * TROS haters * Power Ranger * Rian Johnson fanatics * Owners of โFanboy Tearsโ mugs Let the crying and ranting begin...
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 15, 2020 19:20:06 GMT
List of people who are going to have triggered meltdowns when they see this: * Reylos * People angered by Boyega defending Kelly Marie Tran * โThe Immaculate Virgin MarRey Sueโ demographic * TROS haters * Power Ranger * Rian Johnson fanatics * Owners of โFanboy Tearsโ mugs Let the crying and ranting begin... He would be better off ignoring them all.
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Post by darkpast on Feb 16, 2020 6:20:30 GMT
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Post by ellynmacg on Feb 16, 2020 6:24:17 GMT
I LIKED The Rise of Skywalker, but can't understand for the life of me why anyone wanted him redeemed and to see them together. He's an awful person. Agree 100%. I too like TROS (very much), but the idea of Kylo Ren--even though he did perform one last courageous act--ending up with Rey (following which, they would be a <<gag>> couple) is DISGUSTING. One heroic act as Ben cannot--and should not--cancel out all the horrible things he did as Kylo Ren. Incidentally, what is it with the men of the Skywalker family? First* generation: Annakin Skywalker goes over to the Dark Side, murders an entire village of Sand People, massacres an entire academy of innocent Jedi children, kills his pregnant wife (whether intentionally or not), becomes Darth Vader, kills many more people (along the way torturing his daughter and maiming his son), performs one noble act by returning long enough to the good side to save Sonny-boy and reclaim his Annakin identity, and croaks. Somehow this one-count it, one--virtuous action redeems him sufficiently to allow him a place in the lineup of virtuous-but-deceased Jedi knights. Second generation: Luke Skywalker studies to be a Jedi, battles DV; during the big duel in TESB--in the course of which gets his hand sheared off--learns DV is his father, chooses death over joining dear ol' dad (yes, Luke survives, but he didn't know he would); later almost completes his Jedi training, but knows he'll have to confront DV to win the title; sure (a little too sure?) that he can bring DV back to the good side, battles him AGAIN; gets tortured nearly to death by Palpatine until DV gets an attack of nobility (see above). Later (and that's a part of Luke's life I would have liked to see) establishes a school for Jedi...etc. The point is that Luke stayed good--if kind of grouchy later on--the vast majority of the time, which is more than you can say for the most egregious example of the Third generation: Ben Skywalker-Solo starts off as okay (as far as we know), signs up for Jedi Mastery 101 as taught by his Uncle Luke, turns out to be a budding psychopath who passes some kind of initiation by murdering his own father, and whose merry round of activities is neatly summarized by another poster that I have the chutzpah to quote here: - mass murderer leading a murderous evil regime that killed billions - who mind-raped and tortured Rey with the force - who killed her mentor before her eyes and tried to kill Luke - who maimed and crippled her friend Finn who tried defending her - who decimated the Resistance to de facto a dozen people - who physically abused her and got his ass handed by her several times Yep, it appears that every other generation, the Skywalker boys go violently psycho. That being the case, it's probably just as well that the line ended with Ben/Ren. Back (briefly) to the Reylo shippers. I have one question to ask them: Are you insane?!? These lunatics strike me as the same type of severely misguided/deluded Fromantics who thought that Elsa should have ended up with Hans (before or after he tried to kill first Anna and then her?), because she would have redeemed him. That's all. For the moment, anyway. *If it is true, as Shmi (gads, what a name) claims, that The Force was Annakin's father, then "Anni"/DV really is the first male Skywalker. Gimme a break...
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 15, 2020 18:04:00 GMT
I LIKED The Rise of Skywalker, but can't understand for the life of me why anyone wanted him redeemed and to see them together. He's an awful person. Agree 100%. I too like TROS (very much), but the idea of Kylo Ren--even though he did perform one last courageous act--ending up with Rey (following which, they would be a <<gag>> couple) is DISGUSTING. One heroic act as Ben cannot--and should not--cancel out all the horrible things he did as Kylo Ren. Incidentally, what is it with the men of the Skywalker family? First* generation: Annakin Skywalker goes over to the Dark Side, murders an entire village of Sand People, massacres an entire academy of innocent Jedi children, kills his pregnant wife (whether intentionally or not), becomes Darth Vader, kills many more people (along the way torturing his daughter and maiming his son), performs one noble act by returning long enough to the good side to save Sonny-boy and reclaim his Annakin identity, and croaks. Somehow this one-count it, one--virtuous action redeems him sufficiently to allow him a place in the lineup of virtuous-but-deceased Jedi knights. Second generation: Luke Skywalker studies to be a Jedi, battles DV; during the big duel in TESB--in the course of which gets his hand sheared off--learns DV is his father, chooses death over joining dear ol' dad (yes, Luke survives, but he didn't know he would); later almost completes his Jedi training, but knows he'll have to confront DV to win the title; sure (a little too sure?) that he can bring DV back to the good side, battles him AGAIN; gets tortured nearly to death by Palpatine until DV gets an attack of nobility (see above). Later (and that's a part of Luke's life I would have liked to see) establishes a school for Jedi...etc. The point is that Luke stayed good--if kind of grouchy later on--the vast majority of the time, which is more than you can say for the most egregious example of theThird generation: Ben Skywalker-Solo starts off as okay (as far as we know), signs up for Jedi Mastery 101 as taught by his Uncle Luke, turns out to be a budding psychopath who passes some kind of initiation by murdering his own father, and whose merry round of activities is neatly summarized by another poster that I have the chutzpah to quote here: - mass murderer leading a murderous evil regime that killed billions - who mind-raped and tortured Rey with the force - who killed her mentor before her eyes and tried to kill Luke - who maimed and crippled her friend Finn who tried defending her - who decimated the Resistance to de facto a dozen people - who physically abused her and got his ass handed by her several times Yep, it appears that every other generation, the Skywalker boys go violently psycho. That being the case, it's probably just as well that the line ended with Ben/Ren. Back (briefly) to the Reylo shippers. I have one question to ask them: Are you insane?!? These lunatics strike me as the same type of severely misguided/deluded Fromantics who thought that Elsa should have ended up with Hans (before or after he tried to kill first Anna and then her?), because she would have redeemed him. That's all. For the moment, anyway. *If it is true, as Shmi (gads, what a name) claims, that The Force was Annakin's father, then "Anni"/DV really is the first male Skywalker. Gimme a break... Padme and Leia (Ren) are completely willing to disregard the (major) sins of the men they love simply because they love them. Shit, Rey does it too when she goes from HATING Ren to for some reason giving a shit about his soul at some point during The Last Jedi. Luke does it too, but the point is, don't give me this "Skywalker men" stuff.
It's something I've always hated about the series. Luke was my favorite character as a kid, but even as a child I HATED his obsession with saving Vader in ROTJ. He went from my favorite character to someone I arguably hated (once he surrendered and became obsessed with saving Vader). The excusing of mass murder in Star Wars is downright infuriating.
I hated Kylo Ren. That was a good thing when you're playing a villain. It means the actor did a good job portraying his character. He was what Anakin should have been; instead of that awfurl portrayal and performance we got in the prequels. But not only did they redeem him, they seemed hell-bent on doing for about a movie and a half. I will say I thought the scene between him and Harrison Ford was VERY WELL DONE, but I just hated how they were intent on redeeming him since some point in The Last Jedi. Vader's decision was last minute. Spur of the moment. At most, he was thinking it the last 30 minutes of ROTJ. With Ben, it's eased for a movie and a half.
It all started in The Last Jedi. The throne room scene was both simultaneously awesome and fucked up the next movie - which is why JJ was FORCED to dig up the Emperor - in a monumental way. You're watching it and your shocked. Then after it settles down, you're like, "Wait...what?" They killed the big villain in the 2nd part of a trilogy. *facepalm* That's fine if Kylo Ren is the new big bad, but again, they were hell-bent on redeeming him (and didn't hide that). I don't even hate The Last Jedi as much as some, it's an ok movie, but Rian Johnson really did fuck up monumentally.
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