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Post by Skaathar on Jan 26, 2020 21:24:09 GMT
Men are stronger than women. It's not "stupid", it's a fact. Despite quoting and highlighting the entire text you missed my point, genius, hating on transgenders for the issue is stupid ie YOU are stupid for this, because the issue is not on them it's on the sports themselves, because they separate divisions too binarily, I do not argue that trans women should not compete with biological women in sports where the genetic differences between a trans woman and a born woman unfairly favour the trans woman, give them their own divisions but still respect their identity and there should be no problem unless you are a hateful pile of crap in which case I got nothing for yah I am afraid. There aren't enough transgender people competing in most sports to warrant their own division. That's the fairest solution of course, but at the moment they're too few for a separate division specifically for them.
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Post by dazz on Jan 26, 2020 21:37:59 GMT
Despite quoting and highlighting the entire text you missed my point, genius, hating on transgenders for the issue is stupid ie YOU are stupid for this, because the issue is not on them it's on the sports themselves, because they separate divisions too binarily, I do not argue that trans women should not compete with biological women in sports where the genetic differences between a trans woman and a born woman unfairly favour the trans woman, give them their own divisions but still respect their identity and there should be no problem unless you are a hateful pile of crap in which case I got nothing for yah I am afraid. There aren't enough transgender people competing in most sports to warrant their own division. That's the fairest solution of course, but at the moment they're too few for a separate division specifically for them. But then is controversy over these women which lets be honest is what it will be most likely due to you know a male transgender beating out born men athletes wont bring about the same controversy as men as viewed as being more able bodied in this regard, but will such out cries and excuses to villainise and vilify these transgender athletes going to encourage more transgender athletes? I kind of doubt it, either give them their own division to play in or figure a way around it, I dunno maybe make them compete in higher weight classes whilst maintaining a lower weight to try and offset the differences I dunno, but I think it's unfair to allow them to compete just to then bitch if they win, unless they officially tried to hide the fact they are transgender to give themselves an advantage that is.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 27, 2020 0:04:09 GMT
There aren't enough transgender people competing in most sports to warrant their own division. That's the fairest solution of course, but at the moment they're too few for a separate division specifically for them. But then is controversy over these women which lets be honest is what it will be most likely due to you know a male transgender beating out born men athletes wont bring about the same controversy as men as viewed as being more able bodied in this regard, but will such out cries and excuses to villainise and vilify these transgender athletes going to encourage more transgender athletes? I kind of doubt it, either give them their own division to play in or figure a way around it, I dunno maybe make them compete in higher weight classes whilst maintaining a lower weight to try and offset the differences I dunno, but I think it's unfair to allow them to compete just to then bitch if they win, unless they officially tried to hide the fact they are transgender to give themselves an advantage that is. Another solution would be to have a single open division where all genders compete together. Then when there's a specific gender that is sufficiently populous enough and is consistently shown to be at a disadvantage to the others, they can be separated into their own division. What this means in the real world is that natural-born women will have their own division whereas the men's division will be converted to an open division (and I believe this is already the case in the US) and all other genders will be competing under this division. If trans-women or trans-men ever get numerous enough in a certain sport then they can get their own division. Till that time, they stay in the open division. Natural-born women would of course still be allowed into the open division should they prefer. I've attended a few HEMA tournaments where this model was implemented.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 30, 2020 2:02:01 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 30, 2020 2:07:35 GMT
Didn't they already introduce their first transgender character in Jessica Jones?
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Post by darkpast on Jan 30, 2020 2:08:45 GMT
Didn't they already introduce their first transgender character in Jessica Jones? maybe, but Netflix shows were never part of MCU
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Post by darkpast on Feb 25, 2020 4:18:45 GMT
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 25, 2020 5:13:41 GMT
Goes along with the narrative of Ike Perlmutter being a racist, misogynistic penny pinching, dick being over Kevin. And Disney realizing that maybe just maybe Kevin Feige knew what he was doing and had him stop reporting to him. So makes sense.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 15, 2020 13:09:44 GMT
Despite quoting and highlighting the entire text you missed my point, genius, hating on transgenders for the issue is stupid ie YOU are stupid for this, because the issue is not on them it's on the sports themselves, because they separate divisions too binarily, I do not argue that trans women should not compete with biological women in sports where the genetic differences between a trans woman and a born woman unfairly favour the trans woman, give them their own divisions but still respect their identity and there should be no problem unless you are a hateful pile of crap in which case I got nothing for yah I am afraid. There aren't enough transgender people competing in most sports to warrant their own division. That's the fairest solution of course, but at the moment they're too few for a separate division specifically for them.Oh, well. Then they shouldn't be allowed to compete. That's the logical solution. Men competing against women or no competition at all. Clearly, the latter is the most logical answer, but logic has never entered into the conversation when it comes to trans people.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 15, 2020 18:57:46 GMT
There aren't enough transgender people competing in most sports to warrant their own division. That's the fairest solution of course, but at the moment they're too few for a separate division specifically for them. Oh, well. Then they shouldn't be allowed to compete. That's the logical solution. Men competing against women or no competition at all. Clearly, the latter is the most logical answer, but logic has never entered into the conversation when it comes to trans people. There really isn't any fair solution to this. Whatever solution gets put in place will put one group or another disadvantaged. I certainly wouldn't want to completely ban transgender people from competing but I'm also not blind to the advantages and disadvantages they may have over non-transgender competitors. So far the best compromise I've seen is to make the men's division an open division where all genders can compete, then if there's enough of them just make a separate division for cis women. Cis women can also compete in the open division of course, but they also have the option of just competing under the women's division. Men (both cis and trans) as well as trans women will all need to stay in the open division.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 16, 2020 21:33:02 GMT
Oh, well. Then they shouldn't be allowed to compete. That's the logical solution. Men competing against women or no competition at all. Clearly, the latter is the most logical answer, but logic has never entered into the conversation when it comes to trans people. There really isn't any fair solution to this. Whatever solution gets put in place will put one group or another disadvantaged. I certainly wouldn't want to completely ban transgender people from competing but I'm also not blind to the advantages and disadvantages they may have over non-transgender competitors. So far the best compromise I've seen is to make the men's division an open division where all genders can compete, then if there's enough of them just make a separate division for cis women. Cis women can also compete in the open division of course, but they also have the option of just competing under the women's division. Men (both cis and trans) as well as trans women will all need to stay in the open division. They get their own leagues and divisions or they can't compete. No one is at a disadvantage in this situation. Men and women aren't equal athletically. That's just a fact. These people should compete against others like or no one at all. Catering to them and letting dudes "beat up" on women is fucking disgusting.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 16, 2020 22:56:44 GMT
There really isn't any fair solution to this. Whatever solution gets put in place will put one group or another disadvantaged. I certainly wouldn't want to completely ban transgender people from competing but I'm also not blind to the advantages and disadvantages they may have over non-transgender competitors. So far the best compromise I've seen is to make the men's division an open division where all genders can compete, then if there's enough of them just make a separate division for cis women. Cis women can also compete in the open division of course, but they also have the option of just competing under the women's division. Men (both cis and trans) as well as trans women will all need to stay in the open division. They get their own leagues and divisions or they can't compete. No one is at a disadvantage in this situation. Men and women aren't equal athletically. That's just a fact. These people should compete against others like or no one at all. Catering to them and letting dudes "beat up" on women is fucking disgusting. But if women wanted to compete in the men's division, would you be ok with that?
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 17, 2020 17:56:25 GMT
They get their own leagues and divisions or they can't compete. No one is at a disadvantage in this situation. Men and women aren't equal athletically. That's just a fact. These people should compete against others like or no one at all. Catering to them and letting dudes "beat up" on women is fucking disgusting. But if women wanted to compete in the men's division, would you be ok with that? No. Men and women aren't equal physically. That's a fact.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 17, 2020 19:24:49 GMT
But if women wanted to compete in the men's division, would you be ok with that? No. Men and women aren't equal physically. That's a fact. So you're saying even if a female competitor herself wanted to compete against the men, because she believed she was good enough, that she shouldn't be allowed to do so?
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 17, 2020 20:07:53 GMT
No. Men and women aren't equal physically. That's a fact. So you're saying even if a female competitor herself wanted to compete against the men, because she believed she was good enough, that she shouldn't be allowed to do so? This is the problem with the world. Fucking beliefs and feelings. Men are faster and stronger than women. This is what matters, not "beliefs". And before you point me towards some article about some girl that beat a boy in something, we both know those are so minimal that they are the exception to the rule. It's real life. Sorry.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 17, 2020 20:19:26 GMT
So you're saying even if a female competitor herself wanted to compete against the men, because she believed she was good enough, that she shouldn't be allowed to do so? This is the problem with the world. Fucking beliefs and feelings. Men are faster and stronger than women. This is what matters, not "beliefs". And before you point me towards some article about some girl that beat a boy in something, we both know those are so minimal that they are the exception to the rule. It's real life. Sorry. I do not disagree that men are usually stronger than women, which is why I'm against men being allowed to compete in women's divisions, even men turned trans women. What I'm open to, however, is the ability of women to compete in the men's division should they choose to. Same way I think lighter fighters should be given the option to compete in heavier weight classes should they wish to but heavy fighters aren't allowed to compete in lighter weight classes.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 17, 2020 20:24:11 GMT
This is the problem with the world. Fucking beliefs and feelings. Men are faster and stronger than women. This is what matters, not "beliefs". And before you point me towards some article about some girl that beat a boy in something, we both know those are so minimal that they are the exception to the rule. It's real life. Sorry. I do not disagree that men are usually stronger than women, which is why I'm against men being allowed to compete in women's divisions, even men turned trans women. What I'm open to, however, is the ability of women to compete in the men's division should they choose to. Same way I think lighter fighters should be given the option to compete in heavier weight classes should they wish to but heavy fighters aren't allowed to compete in lighter weight classes.This is not a good comparison AT ALL.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 17, 2020 21:28:18 GMT
I do not disagree that men are usually stronger than women, which is why I'm against men being allowed to compete in women's divisions, even men turned trans women. What I'm open to, however, is the ability of women to compete in the men's division should they choose to. Same way I think lighter fighters should be given the option to compete in heavier weight classes should they wish to but heavy fighters aren't allowed to compete in lighter weight classes.This is not a good comparison AT ALL. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 17, 2020 22:09:14 GMT
This is not a good comparison AT ALL. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion. Guys fighting other guys - or women fighting other women - in different weight classes is not comparable to men and women fighting each other. It was just a bad comparison. Really stupid.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 18, 2020 0:09:46 GMT
You're certainly entitled to your own opinion. Guys fighting other guys - or women fighting other women - in different weight classes is not comparable to men and women fighting each other. It was just a bad comparison. Really stupid. If you say so. I'd like to think a 100 pound man wrestling a 400 pound man is at least somewhat comparable to a 150 pound woman wrestling a 150 pound man.
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