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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 18:49:17 GMT
Yeah, he also says that he was wrong about 7 and he hopes he is wrong about 8 also. We have 8 months to learn what's going on. Usually Star Wars isn't as straight forward from the trailers as other movies and you figure out what is going on from them. The Star Wars trailers seemed straight forward enough until TFA. I don't remember one ever giving us a bait-and-switch character. In Star Wars trailers you primarily see slices of action.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 19:10:44 GMT
The Star Wars trailers seemed straight forward enough until TFA. I don't remember one ever giving us a bait-and-switch character. In Star Wars trailers you primarily see slices of action. Meesa gets what audiosane is saying. Him is basically saying dat none of da SW movies trailers were ever misleading about da tone of da movie except for TFA. In all of da SW trailers meesa ever seen Tarpals can only think of 2 movies dat were misleading. TPM: nobody could foresee Jar Jar (or any comical buffoon) being a major character. TFA: nobody could foresee ANH being so heavily rehashed or Rey being an extreme and unexplained MarySue Force user. In both cases da trailers shielded us from ever being able to perceive that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 19:14:00 GMT
Yeah, he also says that he was wrong about 7 and he hopes he is wrong about 8 also. We have 8 months to learn what's going on. Usually Star Wars isn't as straight forward from the trailers as other movies and you figure out what is going on from them. You know as well as I do that a bunch of people have already made up their mind about it.... LOL, ya think? But there's always hope for open minded fans, remember this one?: Open minded fan
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 19:17:02 GMT
I think Mark's trying to be as honest about his disappointment as possible while not coming across as being too negative. Folks like us will pick up on it, but the masses won't. Could you pat yourself on the back just a little more? There's nothing to pat ourselves on the back about. The masses (i.e. general audiences) largely don't pick up on these things because they're not checking up on all the details regarding Star Wars. This shouldn't be difficult to figure out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 19:18:26 GMT
You know as well as I do that a bunch of people have already made up their mind about it.... LOL, ya think? But there's always hope for open minded fans, remember this one?: Open minded fanI just realized something.... Give that guy a haircut, a little Rogaine and glasses.... Jan El Señor ?
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 19:19:55 GMT
The Star Wars trailers seemed straight forward enough until TFA. I don't remember one ever giving us a bait-and-switch character. In Star Wars trailers you primarily see slices of action. Yes. But never before have any of them deliberately tried to deceive audiences. Same with the images, including TFA's poster. How silly does Finn look on it wielding Luke's lightsaber like he's some kind of badass when we all know what really happens?
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 19:25:50 GMT
In Star Wars trailers you primarily see slices of action. Meesa gets what audiosane is saying. Him is basically saying dat none of da SW movies trailers were ever misleading about da tone of da movie except for TFA. In all of da SW trailers meesa ever seen Tarpals can only think of 2 movies dat were misleading. TPM: nobody could foresee Jar Jar (or any comical buffoon) being a major character. TFA: nobody could foresee ANH being so heavily rehashed or Rey being an extreme and unexplained MarySue Force user. In both cases da trailers shielded us from ever being able to perceive that. Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 19:27:47 GMT
LOL, ya think? But there's always hope for open minded fans, remember this one?: Open minded fanI just realized something.... Give that guy a haircut, a little Rogaine and glasses.... Jan El Señor ? Lol. I can't take part in the Rogaine jokes much longer. Just hit 40 and it looks as if I may need some in the next few years. Eiher that, or I'll just join the "shave your head and grow a goatee" club....
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 21, 2017 19:30:34 GMT
He also publicly defends the prickles, so I'm not too concerned yet.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 21, 2017 20:12:48 GMT
Meesa gets what audiosane is saying. Him is basically saying dat none of da SW movies trailers were ever misleading about da tone of da movie except for TFA. In all of da SW trailers meesa ever seen Tarpals can only think of 2 movies dat were misleading. TPM: nobody could foresee Jar Jar (or any comical buffoon) being a major character. TFA: nobody could foresee ANH being so heavily rehashed or Rey being an extreme and unexplained MarySue Force user. In both cases da trailers shielded us from ever being able to perceive that. Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it. Yeah, no other SW trailers smelled so much of market research and smoke and mirrors as TFA's did! Obviously to pull in every possible demographic in large numbers at the box office. And by the time the truth circulated around to the demographics who got suckered and screwed over, it would be too late. Just one glaring example of that is Finn. He actually got more screen time than Rey in the trailers. And every scene he was in (and I do mean every) he was in action and full of assertive emotions. You got the impression that he was always in the middle of the drama and that he was deeply concerned and competent for whatever the cause was. Totally misleading to who he turned out to be in the movie. A frightened deserter who is unskilled (except for blasters which he oddly only uses once in the movie) who ran from a cause he was trained from birth to believe in... straight to a cause he pretended to believe in so he could try and find a chance to run from that one also. And along the way he would play the bumbling comic relief and the idolizing sidekick only ever inspired to competency by Rey. And that's only one example of many ways in which TFA trailers were misleading.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 22:08:13 GMT
In Star Wars trailers you primarily see slices of action. Yes. But never before have any of them deliberately tried to deceive audiences. Same with the images, including TFA's poster. How silly does Finn look on it wielding Luke's lightsaber like he's some kind of badass when we all know what really happens? But that Finn moment was actually in the movie. Was even in the trailer. And it was a moment of him trying to be what he was not. Would you rather have the poster with Finn holding a lightsaber but being slammed on the ground?
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 22:13:16 GMT
Meesa gets what audiosane is saying. Him is basically saying dat none of da SW movies trailers were ever misleading about da tone of da movie except for TFA. In all of da SW trailers meesa ever seen Tarpals can only think of 2 movies dat were misleading. TPM: nobody could foresee Jar Jar (or any comical buffoon) being a major character. TFA: nobody could foresee ANH being so heavily rehashed or Rey being an extreme and unexplained MarySue Force user. In both cases da trailers shielded us from ever being able to perceive that. Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it. But they never said that he would be a Jedi apprentice. The movie had him with a lightsaber for a good chunk of the movie. A call back to when Stormtroopers were going to also have lightsabers in the 1st movie. People thinking that he would be a Jedi apprentice was what they took away from it because they thought that a Stormtrooper was going to be the new Luke.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 22:17:27 GMT
Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it. Totally misleading to who he turned out to be in the movie. A frightened deserter who is unskilled (except for blasters which he oddly only uses once in the movie) who ran from a cause he was trained from birth to believe in... straight to a cause he pretended to believe in so he could try and find a chance to run from that one also. And along the way he would play the bumbling comic relief and the idolizing sidekick only ever inspired to competency by Rey. Actually they had mental conditioning (hypnosis?). He broke that conditioning at the beginning of the movie.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 21, 2017 22:43:26 GMT
Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it. But they never said that he would be a Jedi apprentice. The movie had him with a lightsaber for a good chunk of the movie. A call back to when Stormtroopers were going to also have lightsabers in the 1st movie. People thinking that he would be a Jedi apprentice was what they took away from it because they thought that a Stormtrooper was going to be the new Luke. I'm not buying that. They showed him in the poster looking ready to fight with a lightsaber and in one of the trailers he was shown confronting Kylo with a lightsaber. It was a reasonable assumption to assume that he could be an apprentice. Disney put that assumption out there based on the scenes of him that they chose to show and how they were packaged. He turned out to be a Stormtrooper. Yes we got to see a couple of scenes with Finn dressed as a Stormtrooper in the trailers but for all we knew it could've been a disguise like Luke and Han wore in ANH. They led us down the path of 2 reasonable assumptions. One turned out to be right and one turned out to be wrong.
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 22, 2017 0:30:55 GMT
Meesa gets what audiosane is saying. Him is basically saying dat none of da SW movies trailers were ever misleading about da tone of da movie except for TFA. In all of da SW trailers meesa ever seen Tarpals can only think of 2 movies dat were misleading. TPM: nobody could foresee Jar Jar (or any comical buffoon) being a major character. TFA: nobody could foresee ANH being so heavily rehashed or Rey being an extreme and unexplained MarySue Force user. In both cases da trailers shielded us from ever being able to perceive that. Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it. The trailers.... deceived you?! You sound beyond petty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 0:48:52 GMT
Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it. The trailers.... deceived you?! You sound beyond petty. So do yousa! Seriously! How long have yousen been watchin' movies?!? Yousa never heard someone say that they were fooled by da trailers before!?! Of all da things yousen could talk about yousa tried to bad mouth hims over that?!?
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Post by audiosane on Apr 22, 2017 1:35:44 GMT
Yeah, no other SW trailers smelled so much of market research and smoke and mirrors as TFA's did! Obviously to pull in every possible demographic in large numbers at the box office. And by the time the truth circulated around to the demographics who got suckered and screwed over, it would be too late. Just one glaring example of that is Finn. He actually got more screen time than Rey in the trailers. And every scene he was in (and I do mean every) he was in action and full of assertive emotions. You got the impression that he was always in the middle of the drama and that he was deeply concerned and competent for whatever the cause was. Totally misleading to who he turned out to be in the movie. A frightened deserter who is unskilled (except for blasters which he oddly only uses once in the movie) who ran from a cause he was trained from birth to believe in... straight to a cause he pretended to believe in so he could try and find a chance to run from that one also. And along the way he would play the bumbling comic relief and the idolizing sidekick only ever inspired to competency by Rey. And that's only one example of many ways in which TFA trailers were misleading. Great observations. I knew Finn got a decent amount of screen time in the trailers, but I never thought to count the seconds. I'm interested to see what they end up being between the two teasers and the official trailer. The first two teasers only showed Finn breathing heavily, but they went out of their way at the end of the marketing campaign to only show Finn with Luke's lightsaber, including the damn poster. I honestly believe they only forced Finn to use it in the film in order to put that footage in the trailer. Based on what we saw, he had no business wielding it. This would be just as stupid as forcing Han Solo to fight Darth Vader in a lightsaber fight because we all know how that would end. Well, technically, getting your ass kicked for the further empowerment of your co-lead is being in the middle of the drama.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 22, 2017 3:31:54 GMT
Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it. But they never said that he would be a Jedi apprentice. The movie had him with a lightsaber for a good chunk of the movie. A call back to when Stormtroopers were going to also have lightsabers in the 1st movie. People thinking that he would be a Jedi apprentice was what they took away from it because they thought that a Stormtrooper was going to be the new Luke. They didn't have to outright say Finn was going to be a Jedi apprentice. Why do you think Disney's marketing went out of their way to ONLY show Finn wielding Luke's lightsaber in the trailers and posters? You think that's an accident? No, they used him to hide Rey's big reveal. Never before has Star Wars' marketing campaign been deceptive. Never before have we ever seen someone fight with a lightsaber who didn't at least have some training with it. Finn was used and disrespected for Rey's benefit. However, it's clear in the film that Rey's the real Jedi because Luke's lightsaber only called to her, and Finn got his ass kicked in a melee fight with a henchman. So by the time he faces Kylo Ren, you know that ass whuppin's coming. Watch around 1M31S into the trailer below, Han's voiceover says "...the Jedi..." as the camera focuses on Finn. No accident. Furthermore, John Boyega's reaction to that line, "Damn right!" made it sound like being a Jedi was actually in Finn's future. TR-8R using his energy melee weapon was a good callback to stormtroopers using lightsabers in the original artwork. Finn used a lightsaber so that Rey could have her big reveal before looking superior wielding it as she kicked Kylo Ren's ass. Why was Finn given Luke's lightsaber? Because he was confirmed as being Force sensitive or because he was confirmed as being trained with it or melee weapons in general? No. Finn was given the lightsaber... to hand to Rey. He was her lightsaber caddy. TFA then forced him to fight with it so that they could use some of the footage in the trailers and posters.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 22, 2017 3:39:01 GMT
Serious question, because I'm too lazy/dejected to go watch the it ever again, but: was Rey even in the trailer, or teaser? I only remember Finn and Kylo and BB8, in terms of the new characters.
Check that: the teaser. Don't remember Rey being in it at all. I never watched the trailer(s), as part of my longstanding policy of not watching anything more than the teasers dating back to TPM. (Because at that time, I was still treating these movies as "real," legitimate Star Wars movies, not the cash grab, SJW -- well, you know.)
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Post by audiosane on Apr 22, 2017 3:47:42 GMT
Serious question, because I'm too lazy/dejected to go watch the it ever again, but: was Rey even in the trailer, or teaser? I only remember Finn and Kylo and BB8, in terms of the new characters. Check that: the teaser. Don't remember Rey being in it at all. I never watched the trailer(s), as part of my longstanding policy of not watching anything more than the teasers dating back to TPM. (Because at that time, I was still treating these movies as "real," legitimate Star Wars movies, not the cash grab, SJW -- well, you know.) Rey was in everything. In TFA, they made sure not to hint at any Jedi-related things, and TLJ goes all out with that.
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