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Post by audiosane on Apr 22, 2017 3:50:01 GMT
Totally misleading to who he turned out to be in the movie. A frightened deserter who is unskilled (except for blasters which he oddly only uses once in the movie) who ran from a cause he was trained from birth to believe in... straight to a cause he pretended to believe in so he could try and find a chance to run from that one also. And along the way he would play the bumbling comic relief and the idolizing sidekick only ever inspired to competency by Rey. Actually they had mental conditioning (hypnosis?). He broke that conditioning at the beginning of the movie. Finn never once behaved like he was brainwashed. He was always portrayed as a well-socialized normal person who was panicky and cowardly at times.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 22, 2017 3:55:03 GMT
Well, I'm not talking about the tone. I'm specifically referring to how TFA's marketing campaign lied to audiences about how Finn was going to be portrayed in the film. They presented him as a reasonably competent main character who might possibly be a Jedi apprentice. The film, however, revealed Finn to be a bumbling comic relief sidekick who kept losing fights, needing others to save him, being made the butt of several jokes and finishing his first film in a coma without having achieve any personal victories or heroic saves. Finn was also thrown under the bus for Rey's big reveal with the lightsaber. He needlessly got his ass kicked twice before she got to shine defeating the main villain of the film with it. The trailers.... deceived you?! You sound beyond petty. It's not petty to be angry that I was lied to as a Star Wars fan. I was excited to see Star Wars' first black lead ever, and I hated that they kept disrespecting and emasculating him in order to further empower the white girl. He was her polar opposite in terms of skills, personal victories, heroic saves and overall competency.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 13:49:55 GMT
Actually they had mental conditioning (hypnosis?). He broke that conditioning at the beginning of the movie. Finn never once behaved like he was brainwashed. He was always portrayed as a well-socialized normal person who was panicky and cowardly at times. He was afraid of his first time going out into battle. Overriding fear broke the brainwashing during that 1st scene. There is a scene where they are talking about him and needing to re-up his brainwashing.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 22, 2017 14:07:43 GMT
Perhaps hes just disappointed with luke the characters choice.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 14:14:45 GMT
But they never said that he would be a Jedi apprentice. The movie had him with a lightsaber for a good chunk of the movie. A call back to when Stormtroopers were going to also have lightsabers in the 1st movie. People thinking that he would be a Jedi apprentice was what they took away from it because they thought that a Stormtrooper was going to be the new Luke. They didn't have to outright say Finn was going to be a Jedi apprentice. Why do you think Disney's marketing went out of their way to ONLY show Finn wielding Luke's lightsaber in the trailers and posters? You think that's an accident? No, they used him to hide Rey's big reveal. Never before has Star Wars' marketing campaign been deceptive. Never before have we ever seen someone fight with a lightsaber who didn't at least have some training with it. Finn was used and disrespected for Rey's benefit. Maybe because he used a lightsaber through the movie. Rey only used it once. The one time she touched it she ran away from it. So, no, the ads for it was not deceptive. And just because we have never seen a non-Jedi use one in battle doesn't mean they can't. It was never said that only Jedi can use them. It was only said that they are a Jedi's weapon. Also, Luke had no training in fighting with a lightsaber (only blocking lasers), but he used it just fine.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 14:23:33 GMT
But they never said that he would be a Jedi apprentice. The movie had him with a lightsaber for a good chunk of the movie. A call back to when Stormtroopers were going to also have lightsabers in the 1st movie. People thinking that he would be a Jedi apprentice was what they took away from it because they thought that a Stormtrooper was going to be the new Luke. I'm not buying that. They showed him in the poster looking ready to fight with a lightsaber and in one of the trailers he was shown confronting Kylo with a lightsaber. It was a reasonable assumption to assume that he could be an apprentice. Disney put that assumption out there based on the scenes of him that they chose to show and how they were packaged. He turned out to be a Stormtrooper. Yes we got to see a couple of scenes with Finn dressed as a Stormtrooper in the trailers but for all we knew it could've been a disguise like Luke and Han wore in ANH. They led us down the path of 2 reasonable assumptions. One turned out to be right and one turned out to be wrong. And that is something you took away from it because of past movies like you said in your post. The trailer was straight forward in telling us that a Stormtrooper leaves the First Order, joins the Resistance and wields a lightsaber. The only people that deceived someone was yourselves. I'll go even further, they used your nostalgia against you. Making you deceive yourselves.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 22, 2017 14:40:41 GMT
Finn never once behaved like he was brainwashed. He was always portrayed as a well-socialized normal person who was panicky and cowardly at times. He was afraid of his first time going out into battle. Overriding fear broke the brainwashing during that 1st scene. There is a scene where they are talking about him and needing to re-up his brainwashing. Was it supposed to be straight-up, Clockwork Orange-style BRAINWASHING that one would just "snap out of," though? I thought it was more indoctrination, social conditioning, etc., and we're supposed to see Finn as making (the beginnings of) a moral distinction that's supposed to be a narrative through line over the course of the film: he goes from abandoning the First Order, to caring only about self-preservation, to -- supposedly -- caring about Rey and then, ultimately, the sad sort of "WCW" version of the Rebel Alliance known in the movie as the Resistance.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 22, 2017 14:55:18 GMT
I'm not buying that. They showed him in the poster looking ready to fight with a lightsaber and in one of the trailers he was shown confronting Kylo with a lightsaber. It was a reasonable assumption to assume that he could be an apprentice. Disney put that assumption out there based on the scenes of him that they chose to show and how they were packaged. He turned out to be a Stormtrooper. Yes we got to see a couple of scenes with Finn dressed as a Stormtrooper in the trailers but for all we knew it could've been a disguise like Luke and Han wore in ANH. They led us down the path of 2 reasonable assumptions. One turned out to be right and one turned out to be wrong. And that is something you took away from it because of past movies like you said in your post. The trailer was straight forward in telling us that a Stormtrooper leaves the First Order, joins the Resistance and wields a lightsaber. The only people that deceived someone was yourselves. No the trailers weren't straightforward. You're just making that up to support your argument. Not once in the trailers is it substantiated that Finn is a Stormtrooper that leaves the First Order. In every scene Finn is in while wearing a Stormtrooper outfit he has his helmet removed. Also every scene that showed him in a Stormtrooper outfit he has a panicked or appalled expression on his face. We never see a scene of him participating in any Stormtrooper actions or behavior. All the other scenes of Finn show him with a lightsaber or in Rey's company. So the question is what is it reasonable to assume? And there are multiple things reasonable to assume. Anyone can say in hindsight after the movie has been out for more than a year that it was only reasonable to assume one thing. But you're full of it if you believe that. People are coming up with hundreds of different speculations right now about the TLJ teaser. That teaser does not tell us anything solid about any of the characters. And it wouldn't be surprising if some of scenes are putting out misleading impressions about certain things. Perhaps even intentionally. But you can always prove your point by telling us right now everything about the characters and the story in TLJ based off of what you saw in the trailer. I'll bookmark your answers in your responding post and we'll see if you're right in December.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 14:57:43 GMT
He was afraid of his first time going out into battle. Overriding fear broke the brainwashing during that 1st scene. There is a scene where they are talking about him and needing to re-up his brainwashing. Was it supposed to be straight-up, Clockwork Orange-style BRAINWASHING that one would just "snap out of," though? I thought it was more indoctrination, social conditioning, etc., and we're supposed to see Finn as making (the beginnings of) a moral distinction that's supposed to be a narrative through line over the course of the film: he goes from abandoning the First Order, to caring only about self-preservation, to -- supposedly -- caring about Rey and then, ultimately, the sad sort of "WCW" version of the Rebel Alliance known in the movie as the Resistance. In a way, yes, indoctrination was also used. But that was only because they got them at a young age. But there was also brainwashing there that they had to also be brainwashed again to keep them on the First Order's side. I think it was Kylo that said that it wasn't a good idea because they could break out of it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 22, 2017 15:07:34 GMT
Was it supposed to be straight-up, Clockwork Orange-style BRAINWASHING that one would just "snap out of," though? I thought it was more indoctrination, social conditioning, etc., and we're supposed to see Finn as making (the beginnings of) a moral distinction that's supposed to be a narrative through line over the course of the film: he goes from abandoning the First Order, to caring only about self-preservation, to -- supposedly -- caring about Rey and then, ultimately, the sad sort of "WCW" version of the Rebel Alliance known in the movie as the Resistance. In a way, yes, indoctrination was also used. But that was only because they got them at a young age. But there was also brainwashing there that they had to also be brainwashed again to keep them on the First Order's side. I think it was Kylo that said that it wasn't a good idea because they could break out of it. Interesting. Thanks for clarifying. Don't remember that scene too vividly apart from the crack about using a clone army instead.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 15:19:01 GMT
And that is something you took away from it because of past movies like you said in your post. The trailer was straight forward in telling us that a Stormtrooper leaves the First Order, joins the Resistance and wields a lightsaber. The only people that deceived someone was yourselves. No the trailers weren't straightforward. You're just making that up to support your argument. Not once in the trailers is it substantiated that Finn is a Stormtrooper that leaves the First Order. In every scene Finn is in while wearing a Stormtrooper outfit he has his helmet removed. Also every scene that showed him in a Stormtrooper outfit he has a panicked or appalled expression on his face. We never see a scene of him participating in any Stormtrooper actions or behavior. All the other scenes of Finn show him with a lightsaber or in Rey's company. So the question is what is it reasonable to assume? And there are multiple things reasonable to assume. Anyone can say in hindsight after the movie has been out for more than a year that it was only reasonable to assume one thing. But you're full of it if you believe that. People are coming up with hundreds of different speculations right now about the TLJ teaser. That teaser does not tell us anything solid about any of the characters. And it wouldn't be surprising if some of scenes are putting out misleading impressions about certain things. Perhaps even intentionally. But you can always prove your point by telling us right now everything about the characters and the story in TLJ based off of what you saw in the trailer. I'll bookmark your answers in your responding post and we'll see if you're right in December. He was one of the Stormtroopers in the transport shuttle. Just because you couldn't see that doesn't mean nobody else didn't. Even before the movie came out they said he was a Stormtrooper. The reasonable assumption is that he is a deserter and joins up with Rey and uses a lightsaber at some point. Don't think past what is there. The nostalgic assumption is to think about what happened in A New Hope and use that for The Force Awakens. I mean, we are doing the same exact thing with The Last Jedi trailer and assuming Luke will start the Gray Jedi (at least I am). We can be totally wrong and Luke just doesn't want to restart the Jedi order again. From this teaser (which doesn't show much) we can only assume that Luke doesn't want to start the Jedi Order again, but wants to train Rey enough to help take down Kylo and the First Order. We need a full trailer to make a real assumption. Everything else that we can think of from the movie comes from what they say in interviews. Gorilla Walkers, Casino planet, Rose, First Order hounding the Resistance, Finn going on a character changing adventure, etc.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 22, 2017 15:31:12 GMT
No the trailers weren't straightforward. You're just making that up to support your argument. Not once in the trailers is it substantiated that Finn is a Stormtrooper that leaves the First Order. In every scene Finn is in while wearing a Stormtrooper outfit he has his helmet removed. Also every scene that showed him in a Stormtrooper outfit he has a panicked or appalled expression on his face. We never see a scene of him participating in any Stormtrooper actions or behavior. All the other scenes of Finn show him with a lightsaber or in Rey's company. So the question is what is it reasonable to assume? And there are multiple things reasonable to assume. Anyone can say in hindsight after the movie has been out for more than a year that it was only reasonable to assume one thing. But you're full of it if you believe that. People are coming up with hundreds of different speculations right now about the TLJ teaser. That teaser does not tell us anything solid about any of the characters. And it wouldn't be surprising if some of scenes are putting out misleading impressions about certain things. Perhaps even intentionally. But you can always prove your point by telling us right now everything about the characters and the story in TLJ based off of what you saw in the trailer. I'll bookmark your answers in your responding post and we'll see if you're right in December. He was one of the Stormtroopers in the transport shuttle. Just because you couldn't see that doesn't mean nobody else didn't. Even before the movie came out they said he was a Stormtrooper. The reasonable assumption is that he is a deserter and joins up with Rey and uses a lightsaber at some point. Don't think past what is there. The nostalgic assumption is to think about what happened in A New Hope and use that for The Force Awakens. I mean, we are doing the same exact thing with The Last Jedi trailer and assuming Luke will start the Gray Jedi (at least I am). We can be totally wrong and Luke just doesn't want to restart the Jedi order again. From this teaser (which doesn't show much) we can only assume that Luke doesn't want to start the Jedi Order again, but wants to train Rey enough to help take down Kylo and the First Order. We need a full trailer to make a real assumption. Everything else that we can think of from the movie comes from what they say in interviews. Gorilla Walkers, Casino planet, Rose, First Order hounding the Resistance, Finn going on a character changing adventure, etc. Who knew that one of those Troopers was Finn with his helmet on? Seriously? And the problem with your point is that you're still asserting that there was only one reasonable assumption. And I'm sorry but that's just not true. There were even media outlets and online articles speculating if Finn was a Jedi apprentice based off of trailers. There was even a backlash on some forums because some people were pissed that the new Jedi was going to be black and claimed this was forcing racial political correctness on the new SW movie. All true... So your implication still doesn't hold water.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 15:47:53 GMT
Who knew that one of those Troopers was Finn with his helmet on? Seriously? And the problem with your point is that you're still asserting that there was only one reasonable assumption. And I'm sorry but that's just not true. There were even media outlets and online articles speculating if Finn was a Jedi apprentice based off of trailers. There was even a backlash on some forums because some people were pissed that the new Jedi was going to be black and claimed this was forcing racial political correctness on the new SW movie. All true... So your implication still doesn't hold water. Again, assumptions coming from nostalgia. It happened in past movies so he was the new Luke. Nobody looked at the girl being the new Luke because she was a girl. People are still pissed that she is the new Luke because she is a girl. Everything Rey did, Anakin did in The Phantom Menace at an even earlier age, but she is labeled a Mary Sue. Hell, she even says that she flew the Falcon before and people still cry about her knowing how to fly it. But anyway. All that the articles and videos say about what will happen in TFA comes from past assumptions and what they want to happen in the movie and not what they are actually looking at.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 22, 2017 16:08:01 GMT
Who knew that one of those Troopers was Finn with his helmet on? Seriously? And the problem with your point is that you're still asserting that there was only one reasonable assumption. And I'm sorry but that's just not true. There were even media outlets and online articles speculating if Finn was a Jedi apprentice based off of trailers. There was even a backlash on some forums because some people were pissed that the new Jedi was going to be black and claimed this was forcing racial political correctness on the new SW movie. All true... So your implication still doesn't hold water. Again, assumptions coming from nostalgia. It happened in past movies so he was the new Luke. Nobody looked at the girl being the new Luke because she was a girl. People are still pissed that she is the new Luke because she is a girl. Everything Rey did, Anakin did in The Phantom Menace at an even earlier age, but she is labeled a Mary Sue. Hell, she even says that she flew the Falcon before and people still cry about her knowing how to fly it. But anyway. All that the articles and videos say about what will happen in TFA comes from past assumptions and what they want to happen in the movie and not what they are actually looking at. Oh plenty of people considered that Rey might be the new Luke also. (There were multiple speculations). And where did they get that idea? From scenes of her dressed like Luke Skywalker and zipping around on a landspeeder bike. If you want to blame it on past assumptions then you'd have to say that's the same reason people thought Rey could be a new Jedi. As far as the Rey is a MarySue thing, that's a whole 'nother can of worms! But I'll just say this: I don't recall kid Anakin ever competing his Force abilities against another Force user, ...let alone winning, ...all the time, ...on the first time trying it, ...without any training! (Or any other Force user in SW for that matter).
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 22, 2017 17:47:08 GMT
The trailers.... deceived you?! You sound beyond petty. So do yousa! Seriously! How long have yousen been watchin' movies?!? Yousa never heard someone say that they were fooled by da trailers before!?! Of all da things yousen could talk about yousa tried to bad mouth hims over that?!? Of course I have - and exactly my point. We live in an era where people complain the trailers give too much away now. And here this guy is complaining that they don't give him the whole story. It's a ridiculous comment.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 18:07:15 GMT
Again, assumptions coming from nostalgia. It happened in past movies so he was the new Luke. Nobody looked at the girl being the new Luke because she was a girl. People are still pissed that she is the new Luke because she is a girl. Everything Rey did, Anakin did in The Phantom Menace at an even earlier age, but she is labeled a Mary Sue. Hell, she even says that she flew the Falcon before and people still cry about her knowing how to fly it. But anyway. All that the articles and videos say about what will happen in TFA comes from past assumptions and what they want to happen in the movie and not what they are actually looking at. Oh plenty of people considered that Rey might be the new Luke also. (There were multiple speculations). And where did they get that idea? From scenes of her dressed like Luke Skywalker and zipping around on a landspeeder bike. If you want to blame it on past assumptions then you'd have to say that's the same reason people thought Rey could be a new Jedi. As far as the Rey is a MarySue thing, that's a whole 'nother can of worms! But I'll just say this: I don't recall kid Anakin ever competing his Force abilities against another Force user, ...let alone winning, ...all the time, ...on the first time trying it, ...without any training! (Or any other Force user in SW for that matter). So pretty straight forward. We got what we saw without giving the movie away. So you are saying that the girl that has flashbacks of the slaughter at the Jedi academy had no training? I'm thinking no one caught on to that or didn't wanted to catch on to that. Yes, I know she didn't see that until she touched Vader's lightsaber, but it wasn't there to catch that bit of history to store in the Force. But she could have been. You see, people wanted her to be exactly like Luke (because ANH and TFA were the same exact movie) so that means she had no training at all ever. But then there is something we aren't remembering. Leia, with no training at all, and living in luxury, was strong enough to override Vader's interrogations. She was also good with a blaster for being a senator. Mary Sue? Nope. And then you talk about her competing against another Force user. How do we know where Ben left off in his training. We are assuming he is as awesome and powerful as Vader was in ANH. No one is thinking that maybe he only learned some mind tricks and lightsaber techniques. That he is using the memory of Vader to make himself look good. That all he has in his arsenal is the ability to hold things.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 22, 2017 19:01:31 GMT
Oh plenty of people considered that Rey might be the new Luke also. (There were multiple speculations). And where did they get that idea? From scenes of her dressed like Luke Skywalker and zipping around on a landspeeder bike. If you want to blame it on past assumptions then you'd have to say that's the same reason people thought Rey could be a new Jedi. As far as the Rey is a MarySue thing, that's a whole 'nother can of worms! But I'll just say this: I don't recall kid Anakin ever competing his Force abilities against another Force user, ...let alone winning, ...all the time, ...on the first time trying it, ...without any training! (Or any other Force user in SW for that matter). So pretty straight forward. We got what we saw without giving the movie away. So you are saying that the girl that has flashbacks of the slaughter at the Jedi academy had no training? I'm thinking no one caught on to that or didn't wanted to catch on to that. Yes, I know she didn't see that until she touched Vader's lightsaber, but it wasn't there to catch that bit of history to store in the Force. But she could have been. You see, people wanted her to be exactly like Luke (because ANH and TFA were the same exact movie) so that means she had no training at all ever. But then there is something we aren't remembering. Leia, with no training at all, and living in luxury, was strong enough to override Vader's interrogations. She was also good with a blaster for being a senator. Mary Sue? Nope. And then you talk about her competing against another Force user. How do we know where Ben left off in his training. We are assuming he is as awesome and powerful as Vader was in ANH. No one is thinking that maybe he only learned some mind tricks and lightsaber techniques. That he is using the memory of Vader to make himself look good. That all he has in his arsenal is the ability to hold things. I suppose there's an outside possibility that somehow she was previously trained and that was eluded to in the vision. The problem with that is that we also see that she is abandoned and left on Jakku as a child. So how could she be trained since she has been on Jakku all that time? As far as Leia overriding Vader's interrogations, we don't know if Vader ever used Force mind probe on her. That's never shown or said in ANH. In addition to that the Force wasn't supposed to be behind Leia being able to resist the interrogation. It was mind control training given to the royal family of Alderaan. The lines never made it into the movie but they were part of the script. You can see Hamill reading the line in this video at about the 2 minutes: 41 seconds mark. Yeah you listed Kylo's strengths implying he might not have any outside of that. Funny that Rey beat Kylo with something different. She beat him at all his strengths doing the same thing. So the point still stands.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 22, 2017 19:53:39 GMT
But they never said that he would be a Jedi apprentice. The movie had him with a lightsaber for a good chunk of the movie. A call back to when Stormtroopers were going to also have lightsabers in the 1st movie. People thinking that he would be a Jedi apprentice was what they took away from it because they thought that a Stormtrooper was going to be the new Luke. They didn't have to outright say Finn was going to be a Jedi apprentice. Why do you think Disney's marketing went out of their way to ONLY show Finn wielding Luke's lightsaber in the trailers and posters? You think that's an accident? No, they used him to hide Rey's big reveal. Never before has Star Wars' marketing campaign been deceptive. Never before have we ever seen someone fight with a lightsaber who didn't at least have some training with it. Finn was used and disrespected for Rey's benefit. However, it's clear in the film that Rey's the real Jedi because Luke's lightsaber only called to her, and Finn got his ass kicked in a melee fight with a henchman. So by the time he faces Kylo Ren, you know that ass whuppin's coming. Watch around 1M31S into the trailer below, Han's voiceover says "...the Jedi..." as the camera focuses on Finn. No accident. Furthermore, John Boyega's reaction to that line, "Damn right!" made it sound like being a Jedi was actually in Finn's future. TR-8R using his energy melee weapon was a good callback to stormtroopers using lightsabers in the original artwork. Finn used a lightsaber so that Rey could have her big reveal before looking superior wielding it as she kicked Kylo Ren's ass. Why was Finn given Luke's lightsaber? Because he was confirmed as being Force sensitive or because he was confirmed as being trained with it or melee weapons in general? No. Finn was given the lightsaber... to hand to Rey. He was her lightsaber caddy. TFA then forced him to fight with it so that they could use some of the footage in the trailers and posters. Great pix and great points!... The more I think about it the more right you are about them being deceitful with those TFA trailers. In addition to what you brought out here, they hid Rey being the action hero. We saw the Millennium Falcon doing those acrobatics on Jakku, then we see Han and Chewie so we're led to believe Han was flying. Not one shot of Rey flying the Falcon! Not one shot of Rey saving Finn from the Rathtars. Not one shot of Rey shooting her blaster at the Stormtroopers. Not one shot of Rey fighting Kylo with lightsabers in the forest. (Just Finn doing it). Just Rey with tears in her eyes bending over on the snowy ground when she looked up at the Millennium Falcon coming to pick her (and Finn) up. If anyone thinks all of this wasn't deliberate then they must want to go swimming in Egypt because they're obviously in de Nile (denial).
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 21:26:12 GMT
So pretty straight forward. We got what we saw without giving the movie away. So you are saying that the girl that has flashbacks of the slaughter at the Jedi academy had no training? I'm thinking no one caught on to that or didn't wanted to catch on to that. Yes, I know she didn't see that until she touched Vader's lightsaber, but it wasn't there to catch that bit of history to store in the Force. But she could have been. You see, people wanted her to be exactly like Luke (because ANH and TFA were the same exact movie) so that means she had no training at all ever. But then there is something we aren't remembering. Leia, with no training at all, and living in luxury, was strong enough to override Vader's interrogations. She was also good with a blaster for being a senator. Mary Sue? Nope. And then you talk about her competing against another Force user. How do we know where Ben left off in his training. We are assuming he is as awesome and powerful as Vader was in ANH. No one is thinking that maybe he only learned some mind tricks and lightsaber techniques. That he is using the memory of Vader to make himself look good. That all he has in his arsenal is the ability to hold things. I suppose there's an outside possibility that somehow she was previously trained and that was eluded to in the vision. The problem with that is that we also see that she is abandoned and left on Jakku as a child. So how could she be trained since she has been on Jakku all that time? As far as Leia overriding Vader's interrogations, we don't know if Vader ever used Force mind probe on her. That's never shown or said in ANH. In addition to that the Force wasn't supposed to be behind Leia being able to resist the interrogation. It was mind control training given to the royal family of Alderaan. The lines never made it into the movie but they were part of the script. You can see Hamill reading the line in this video at about the 2 minutes: 41 seconds mark. Yeah you listed Kylo's strengths implying he might not have any outside of that. Funny that Rey beat Kylo with something different. She beat him at all his strengths doing the same thing. So the point still stands. Jason Bourne. Rey would have had minor training before she went to Jakku. She either forgot it or suppressed the memory. Something that is possible since she keeps running away from anything Jedi related. Like Ben Skywalker did as a kid in the Legacy novels when he was terrorized by a Dark Side presence. Having that traumatic experience as a child would do that. But it's continually implied that Leia is strong in the Force. But were his strengths all that strong? That's the point. He made a good show of it, but there was no one there to show that he was powerful. When Rey showed up with her "skills" he was made to back down. He knew how to use the Force on a person's mind, but no one could resist him. His only real strength was to hold things in place (Rey and a laser blast). Maybe he was a good dueler, but he went up against a guy that had no skill and a girl that used the lightsaber like the staff she trained with for most her life while injured.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2017 21:37:10 GMT
Not one shot of Rey flying the Falcon! Not one shot of Rey saving Finn from the Rathtars. Not one shot of Rey shooting her blaster at the Stormtroopers. Not one shot of Rey fighting Kylo with lightsabers in the forest. (Just Finn doing it). Just Rey with tears in her eyes bending over on the snowy ground when she looked up at the Millennium Falcon coming to pick her (and Finn) up. If anyone thinks all of this wasn't deliberate then they must want to go swimming in Egypt because they're obviously in de Nile (denial). But those were big moments for Rey. Not for Finn. Rey pulling the lightsaber from the snow was Rey's moment. Why spoil that in the trailer? You'd know that she was the one to pull the lightsaber if they showed her fighting. And showing Han and Chewie didn't lead us to believe that they were flying the Falcon. They even showed them in the Falcon saying they are home. Again, this is you being led away from what was actually in the trailers then blaming others for your misdirection. You're being shown some pictures that goes along with what happens in the movie and you think this is some kind of proof. No, this is still you wanting the narrative to go your way when it doesn't. The pictures only show a guy with a lightsaber. That's like being shown a picture of Han cutting open the Tauntaun and saying that Han will become a Jedi.
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