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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 0:27:21 GMT
I imply nothing. Michelle Williams publicly thanked the fact that she had the life insider womb terminated, for that huge piece of gold she held in her hands. I respect ALL human life, both born & unborn. Stop trying to signal your own fake virtuosity to make it appear you are such a wondorous Mother Theresa. What is it you exactly do to help all the unwanted and unnecessary children in the world? I support charities that are pro life.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 0:38:45 GMT
I support charities that are pro life. And how is that helping those already living and suffering because they weren’t really loved or wanted? Are you supporting disadvantaged children? I support causes such as this one here: Rosalie Hall
I also would like to introduce you to this lady right here: Rebecca Kiessling I introduce you to the latter, because you criticize me for being Pro Life even though I am female. This lady here has PLENTY reason to oppose abortion.
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Post by goz on Jan 15, 2020 2:22:50 GMT
No, it is a 'potential' child and non-sustainable life. It is not yet a child. She CHOSE an opportunity over a potential life. That is a VERY different thing. AS for the speech she made, it was saying just that. She is pro-CHOICE. Let me just give you this scenario which is personal to me. Say I was a talented and famous film star. I was offered a major role and I was pregnant. To accept the offer would not be possible due to the pregnancy. I say no. Two weeks later I miscarry. In my case it would have been FIVE major roles I knocked back BECAUSE of YOUR GOD and YOUR moral values. I will admit, that like me, she was fortunate in being able to get pregnant at will, however THAT is the risk that she took. In that scenario she can still give her child another brother or sister. No, it WAS a child, & had as much a right to life as you, me, & Michelle Williams. Yes, she chose opportunity over life, & that is very sad. It wasn't a child. A child can live outside its mother's womb. A foetus cannot.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 3:44:22 GMT
No, it WAS a child, & had as much a right to life as you, me, & Michelle Williams. Yes, she chose opportunity over life, & that is very sad. It wasn't a child. A child can live outside its mother's womb. A foetus cannot. It's still alive.
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Post by goz on Jan 15, 2020 5:26:55 GMT
It wasn't a child. A child can live outside its mother's womb. A foetus cannot. It's still alive. ..in the womb.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 15, 2020 7:20:05 GMT
The only thing precious clusium is your attitude towards something that is none of your damn business. Williams need not mention her own business either, but regardless, it is most certainly NONE of yours. Right to body autonomy is first and foremost and you as a female should understand this more than anyone. It was a child, who had a right to life. No.
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Post by mslo79 on Jan 15, 2020 13:13:55 GMT
There is no debate... abortion is wrong. it's murder in the eyes of God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)).
anyone who says otherwise does not respect human life at it's most innocent stage. it's really that simple.
those who vehemently oppose those who are against abortion, just shows you what's in their hearts and it's not from God.
like I have said before... liberals put a persons choice higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around. if someone fails to see this much, they are VERY blind to seeing right from wrong as look how each political party labels the issue... pro-life vs pro-choice. one tells the issue like it truly is (i.e. pro-life) while the other sugar coats a immoral act under the guise of a choice.
abortion is a major basic moral test and those who are backwards on this issue, tend to be backward in many other moral areas to.
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Post by faustus5 on Jan 15, 2020 13:39:24 GMT
There is no debate... abortion is wrong. There is plenty of debate, you ignorant fuckwit, that's why it is a legal procedure in every civilized nation on earth, where rational adults are at the helm and not useless, deluded nitwits like you. Anyone who says this and doesn't resolutely hold funerals for miscarriages, demand death certificates for miscarriages, weeps uncontrollably at miscarriages, and registers fetuses as citizens upon learning they are pregnant doesn't really believe this garbage at all. It's really that simple.
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 15, 2020 14:05:16 GMT
weeps uncontrollably at miscarriages To be fair, a lot of people are extremely upset by miscarriages, even if they're pro-choice. But it definitely tends to be a lesser grief than if a baby dies, even amongst pro-life people.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 15, 2020 14:10:13 GMT
There is no debate... abortion is wrong. it's murder in the eyes of God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). anyone who says otherwise does not respect human life at it's most innocent stage. it's really that simple. those who vehemently oppose those who are against abortion, just shows you what's in their hearts and it's not from God. like I have said before... liberals put a persons choice higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around. if someone fails to see this much, they are VERY blind to seeing right from wrong as look how each political party labels the issue... pro-life vs pro-choice. one tells the issue like it truly is (i.e. pro-life) while the other sugar coats a immoral act under the guise of a choice. abortion is a major basic moral test and those who are backwards on this issue, tend to be backward in many other moral areas to. "liberals put a persons choice higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around. if someone fails to see this much, they are VERY blind to seeing right from wrong as look how each political party labels the issue... " Uh the GOP is hardly "pro-life", drone strikes have increased 400% under Trump and right now he is contributing to the massacre of children in Yemen. I've brought up the Yemen massacre several times to you when this "prolife" debate comes up and yet you never address it, and let's face it you probably never will. If you have your own personal moral issues against abortion fine, but the idea that voting Republican is a good purity test for who values human life is fucking laughable.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 15:07:52 GMT
It was a child, who had a right to life. No. Yes.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 15:09:29 GMT
I support causes such as this one here: Rosalie Hall
I also would like to introduce you to this lady right here: Rebecca Kiessling I introduce you to the latter, because you criticize me for being Pro Life even though I am female. This lady here has PLENTY reason to oppose abortion. Hall sounds legit, that Kiessling can go and peddle her phony propaganda elsewhere. Phony propaganda my eye. If she had been aborted neither she - nor her children - would be here right now.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 15:10:02 GMT
You would have to define alive, compared to hosting of its mother, or a sentient alive breathing CO2. It has a heartbeat while still in the womb.
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Post by faustus5 on Jan 15, 2020 15:19:10 GMT
You would have to define alive, compared to hosting of its mother, or a sentient alive breathing CO2. It has a heartbeat while still in the womb. What an utterly meaningless and bullshit criteria to use for anything important.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 15:27:07 GMT
It has a heartbeat while still in the womb. What an utterly meaningless and bullshit criteria to use for anything important. Oh so, when a person's heart suddenly stops beating, we shouldn't worry about the person. It's only a myth that it means that the person is dead or near death. Got it!!!
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Post by faustus5 on Jan 15, 2020 15:37:23 GMT
Oh so, when a person's heart suddenly stops beating, we shouldn't worry about the person. It's only a myth that it means that the person is dead or near death. Got it!!! Oh, so the moment the heart exists and starts beating, we grant full citizen ship to the fetus because that's the only and most important criteria in our minds--they get to vote, they get counted in a census, they have the right to bear arms, everything! Got it.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 15, 2020 16:12:38 GMT
Oh so, when a person's heart suddenly stops beating, we shouldn't worry about the person. It's only a myth that it means that the person is dead or near death. Got it!!! Oh, so the moment the heart exists and starts beating, we grant full citizen ship to the fetus because that's the only and most important criteria in our minds--they get to vote, they get counted in a census, they have the right to bear arms, everything! Got it. Why just fetuses? All animals with a heart! From the lowest fish to the most developed mammal!
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Post by goz on Jan 15, 2020 19:38:40 GMT
weeps uncontrollably at miscarriages To be fair, a lot of people are extremely upset by miscarriages, even if they're pro-choice. But it definitely tends to be a lesser grief than if a baby dies, even amongst pro-life people. I wept uncontrollably at all five of mine. I am not pro abortion. With my history I would never have one, however I am PRO CHOICE because MY choice was taken away from me by forces outside my control and it makes me SO ANGRY that the religious on here talk about God being the one in control when they would say that THEIR GOD took away my babies. Fuck them.
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Post by goz on Jan 15, 2020 21:00:22 GMT
There is no debate... abortion is wrong. it's murder in the eyes of God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). anyone who says otherwise does not respect human life at it's most innocent stage. it's really that simple. those who vehemently oppose those who are against abortion, just shows you what's in their hearts and it's not from God. like I have said before... liberals put a persons choice higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around. if someone fails to see this much, they are VERY blind to seeing right from wrong as look how each political party labels the issue... pro-life vs pro-choice. one tells the issue like it truly is (i.e. pro-life) while the other sugar coats a immoral act under the guise of a choice. abortion is a major basic moral test and those who are backwards on this issue, tend to be backward in many other moral areas to. Why did God murder five of my babies that I wanted more than anything? Can you NOT see the hypocrisy in this statement? Once again, hypocrisy much? ...and yet your God does this routinely often and apparently randomly? Where was my 'choice' when your God miscarried my babies? Where is the difference? REALLY? Why is it 'moral' for your God to kill babies indiscriminately and yet the women involved have no choice? Tell me where the 'morality' is in this situation. I frankly don't see it. I don't see also that it is ' moral' to discriminate against gay people nor moral to convert developing countries to Christianity and to abandon their own beliefs, nor for priests to sexually abuse children, nor for Christian churches to be rich and many parishioners poor. I do';t think it is moral for the Catholic Church to preach against contraception and then be anti abortion. I don't think it is moral to emotionally blackmail people into thinking that they are going to Hell so that they will come to church and give the church money. I don't think it is moral for men to be celibate to be priests. I don't think many things are truly 'moral' that your church and others require of people. I find your church choc full of hypocrisy, immorality and evil.
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 23:35:36 GMT
Phony propaganda my eye. If she had been aborted neither she - nor her children - would be here right now. Yes, you just don’t get it. I do.
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