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Post by Carl LaFong on Jan 8, 2020 21:16:08 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 8, 2020 22:35:47 GMT
Well the Iliad, like so many classical works, is about the evils of excessive passion, not toxic masculinity specifically.
Toxic masculinity is a Marxist term for anything that is not in line with current Liberal trends.
Was it toxic masculinity for Achilles to whine to his mother and have her influence Zeus to harm the Greeks? Sounds like spoiled Mama's boy behavior.
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Post by theravenking on Jan 9, 2020 13:34:11 GMT
No American Psycho?
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Post by Zos on Jan 9, 2020 15:45:54 GMT
"Toxic masculinity is a Marxist term for anything that is not in line with current Liberal trends."
...Oh, my.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 9, 2020 17:06:13 GMT
It being from The Guardian, I am surprised they limited the list to only 10 titles - I would have thought they would make it at least 100!
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Post by koskiewicz on Jan 11, 2020 20:49:39 GMT
"The Wild Bunch"
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Post by pippinmaniac on Jan 15, 2020 21:57:56 GMT
Masculinity itself is not toxic. Bad behavior can be found in both genders.
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Post by darknessfish on Jan 16, 2020 13:24:47 GMT
Every crime thriller ever?
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Post by cooly44 on Jan 18, 2020 12:52:08 GMT
Did they compile a list of toxic femininity books? Off the top of my head:
East of Eden
Jude The Obscure
Gone Girl
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jan 19, 2020 9:19:42 GMT
Men are horrible, just horrible.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 19, 2020 19:27:57 GMT
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 19, 2020 22:41:42 GMT
Masculinity itself is not toxic. Bad behavior can be found in both genders. That's why they specified toxic masculinity. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 19, 2020 22:42:00 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 19, 2020 22:50:36 GMT
"Toxic masculinity is a Marxist term for anything that is not in line with current Liberal trends." ...Oh, my. What else is it?
Divide and conquer.
Since they have no list of toxic femininity (they would be books about mothers I guess ).
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 19, 2020 23:43:25 GMT
The more I think about it, the more erroneous the description of the Iliad as about toxic masculinity becomes.
Achilles gets into an argument with Agamemnon because the latter is mad he has to give up his concubine. Achilles considers his behavior dishonorable. Agamemnon suggests as leader, he could take anyone's war prizes, including that of Achilles, which makes him really mad and more insulting. Thus he refuses to fight, and asks his mother to influence Zeus so the Trojans will get the upper hand and the Greeks will be forced to come begging him for help.
Not sure where toxic masculinity comes into it.
Only when his best friend is killed does Achilles get murderously vengeful. So he gets angry because his "boyfriend" dies. He later cries in the arms of another man.
That sounds very un-toxic masculine. The trouble starts because he gets too emotional.
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