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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 13:27:50 GMT
Who said they were not? Who said they were? This is a great topic for this board, huh?
I just saw a report on television that the sales of artificial meats are significantly rising, thus this topic.
I believe that plants are living things. For example it can be easy to tell the difference between a living and a dead plant much as it it easy to tell the difference between a living and a dead animal. Plants can sense and search out water and sunlight and respond to other environmental phenomena. The intricacies of the science can be confusing especially distinguishing when if ever a simple chain reaction becomes a "choice." There are microbes that are considered "both" plant and animal (or a third category), because they can photosynthesize and are motile.
What then might be the reason for eating only plants? If you eat rice instead of beef are you not eating the little baby rice instead of a cow that lived a full and happy life and died a timely, swift, and likely mostly painless death?
Deciding what to eat? I would recommend whatever you as humans need to maintain your health. If you can be healthy eating only lettuce, then fine. Suppose other people need beef? Would you deny them that? I can see the argument to never eat human meat, never be a cannibal. Extending that to things that more or less resemble human flesh makes some sense, but where do you finally draw the line?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 13:41:59 GMT
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 13:45:40 GMT
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Post by Isapop on Jan 12, 2020 13:53:00 GMT
What then might be the reason for eating only plants? If you eat rice instead of beef are you not eating the little baby rice instead of a cow that lived a full and happy life and died a timely, swift, and likely mostly painless death? The argument for vegetarianism is about the long term negative environmental impact of continuing to raise animals for food. It's not about being nice to our animal friends.
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Post by clusium on Jan 12, 2020 13:55:00 GMT
Who said they were not? Who said they were? This is a great topic for this board, huh? I just saw a report on television that the sales of artificial meats are significantly rising, thus this topic. I believe that plants are living things. For example it can be easy to tell the difference between a living and a dead plant much as it it easy to tell the difference between a living and a dead animal. Plants can sense and search out water and sunlight and respond to other environmental phenomena. The intricacies of the science can be confusing especially distinguishing when if ever a simple chain reaction becomes a "choice." There are microbes that are considered "both" plant and animal (or a third category), because they can photosynthesize and are motile. What then might be the reason for eating only plants? If you eat rice instead of beef are you not eating the little baby rice instead of a cow that lived a full and happy life and died a timely, swift, and likely mostly painless death? Deciding what to eat? I would recommend whatever you as humans need to maintain your health. If you can be healthy eating only lettuce, then fine. Suppose other people need beef? Would you deny them that? I can see the argument to never eat human meat, never be a cannibal. Extending that to things that more or less resemble human flesh makes some sense, but where do you finally draw the line? Yes, some of them are actually carnivores!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 13:55:22 GMT
I'm vegan.
Meat, dairy, and eggs, is pain, suffering, and death. I am strongly morally opposed to it.
Here, watch this, if you can...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 13:56:22 GMT
What then might be the reason for eating only plants? If you eat rice instead of beef are you not eating the little baby rice instead of a cow that lived a full and happy life and died a timely, swift, and likely mostly painless death? The argument for vegetarianism is about the long term negative environmental impact of continuing to raise animals for food. It's not about being nice to our animal friends. It is both, and more. And vegetarianism isn't enough... Go vegan 🌱
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 14:17:53 GMT
Who said they were not? Who said they were? This is a great topic for this board, huh? I just saw a report on television that the sales of artificial meats are significantly rising, thus this topic. I believe that plants are living things. For example it can be easy to tell the difference between a living and a dead plant much as it it easy to tell the difference between a living and a dead animal. Plants can sense and search out water and sunlight and respond to other environmental phenomena. The intricacies of the science can be confusing especially distinguishing when if ever a simple chain reaction becomes a "choice." There are microbes that are considered "both" plant and animal (or a third category), because they can photosynthesize and are motile. What then might be the reason for eating only plants? If you eat rice instead of beef are you not eating the little baby rice instead of a cow that lived a full and happy life and died a timely, swift, and likely mostly painless death? Deciding what to eat? I would recommend whatever you as humans need to maintain your health. If you can be healthy eating only lettuce, then fine. Suppose other people need beef? Would you deny them that? I can see the argument to never eat human meat, never be a cannibal. Extending that to things that more or less resemble human flesh makes some sense, but where do you finally draw the line? Yes, some of them are actually carnivores!!!! Truth Be Told
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Post by Isapop on Jan 12, 2020 14:31:20 GMT
The argument for vegetarianism is about the long term negative environmental impact of continuing to raise animals for food. It's not about being nice to our animal friends. It is both I suppose that's true. However, it is the environmental argument that is the most rationally compelling, and when the OP tries to frame the issue as "You can't really draw the line where our concern for suffering stops, so why draw it anywhere?", he is side-stepping the real arena of the debate.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 14:40:57 GMT
What then might be the reason for eating only plants? If you eat rice instead of beef are you not eating the little baby rice instead of a cow that lived a full and happy life and died a timely, swift, and likely mostly painless death? The argument for vegetarianism is about the long term negative environmental impact of continuing to raise animals for food. It's not about being nice to our animal friends. First it is very important to understand that cows, for an example, do not eat fossil fuels. That means they cannot put CO 2 in the atmosphere unless plants have taken it out very recently (in the geological time scale of things). It is therefore mathematically impossible for cows to violate the "cycle of life" regulation of CO 2 levels. More cows? Not to worry, it can't happen without more plants first. Fewer cows? Now where will plants get their CO 2? You see there is a lower limit to animal life. I thought you had more sense than that. Mentally retarded people who think they are "scientists" simply because they are too plain stupid to understand the art of religion, often say things that have obviously nothing to do with science. It is the reason Donald Trump is currently president and likely will be reelected.
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Post by senan90 on Jan 12, 2020 14:48:25 GMT
I'm vegan. Meat, dairy, and eggs, is pain, suffering, and death. I am strongly morally opposed to it. Here, watch this, if you can... No thanks. But I'd rather watch this instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 14:53:21 GMT
I'm vegan. Meat, dairy, and eggs, is pain, suffering, and death. I am strongly morally opposed to it. Here, watch this, if you can... No thanks. But I'd rather watch this instead. Off topic. This thread has nothing to do with the Irish War of Independence.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 12, 2020 14:58:48 GMT
The argument for vegetarianism is about the long term negative environmental impact of continuing to raise animals for food. It's not about being nice to our animal friends. First it is very important to understand that cows, for an example, do not eat fossil fuels. That means they cannot put CO 2 in the atmosphere unless plants have taken it out very recently (in the geological time scale of things). It is therefore mathematically impossible for cows to violate the "cycle of life" regulation of CO 2 levels. More cows? Not to worry, it can't happen without more plants first. Less cows? Now where will plants get their CO 2? You see there is a lower limit to animal life. I thought you had more sense than that. Mentally retarded people who think they are "scientists" simply because they are too plain stupid to understand the art of religion, often say things that have obviously nothing to do with science. It is the reason Donald Trump is currently president and likely will be reelected. I said, "long term negative environmental impact". That is a broad topic, and yet you seem to think I typed "CO2 output of cows". I don't think I am a scientist. I can only point to the work of scientists. And as soon as you resort to your signature references to "mentally retarded people" you reveal your own agitation at being skewered.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 15:02:44 GMT
First it is very important to understand that cows, for an example, do not eat fossil fuels. That means they cannot put CO 2 in the atmosphere unless plants have taken it out very recently (in the geological time scale of things). It is therefore mathematically impossible for cows to violate the "cycle of life" regulation of CO 2 levels. More cows? Not to worry, it can't happen without more plants first. Less cows? Now where will plants get their CO 2? You see there is a lower limit to animal life. I thought you had more sense than that. Mentally retarded people who think they are "scientists" simply because they are too plain stupid to understand the art of religion, often say things that have obviously nothing to do with science. It is the reason Donald Trump is currently president and likely will be reelected. I said, "long term negative environmental impact". That is a broad topic, and yet you seem to think I typed "CO2 output of cows". I don't think I am a scientist. I can only point to the work of scientists. And as soon as you resort to your signature references to "mentally retarded people" you reveal your own agitation at being skewed.
If you are not a scientist then you cannot point out the work of scientists. And by the way you haven't. Again I thought you had more sense than that.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 12, 2020 15:11:01 GMT
If you are not a scientist then you cannot point out the work of scientists. And THAT could well prove to be the most colossally idiotic statement seen on this board the entire year, and it's only January.
P.S. The only way that scientific advances have been utilized to benefit society has been when non-scientists (people in positions of power) have pointed to the work of scientists.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 15:20:49 GMT
I'm vegan. Meat, dairy, and eggs, is pain, suffering, and death. I am strongly morally opposed to it. Here, watch this, if you can... < video [2 hours!] > Simply because you cannot hear the screams of the little baby rice doesn't mean they don't suffer. I understand some animals for human consumption operations are inconsiderate of the "happiness" and well being of their animals, and I am strongly and morally opposed to that. There are however well trained people keeping humans alive with food animals. When you post a 2 hour video, maybe include a brief synopsis so people can decide whether to spend their precious data on it, please and thank you.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 15:24:34 GMT
If you are not a scientist then you cannot point out the work of scientists. And THAT could well prove to be the most colossally idiotic statement seen on this board the entire year, and it's only January.
P.S. The only way that scientific advances have been utilized to benefit society has been when non-scientists (people in positions of power) have pointed to the work of scientists.
That is still no argument against eating meat, just saying. No, I don't expect you to provide one, but I will be here if you try.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 15:24:44 GMT
I'm vegan. Meat, dairy, and eggs, is pain, suffering, and death. I am strongly morally opposed to it. Here, watch this, if you can... < video [2 hours!] ] > There are however well trained people keeping humans alive with food animals No, there aren't.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 12, 2020 15:33:42 GMT
And THAT could well prove to be the most colossally idiotic statement seen on this board the entire year, and it's only January.
P.S. The only way that scientific advances have been utilized to benefit society has been when non-scientists (people in positions of power) have pointed to the work of scientists.
That is still no argument against eating meat, just saying. No, I don't expect you to provide one, but I will be here if you try. Any discerning reader would have seen that my initial post wasn't taking a side in the debate, but rather pointing out how you try to side-step the ground where the real battle is taking place.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 12, 2020 15:35:25 GMT
There are however well trained people keeping humans alive with food animals No, there aren't. Pardon me going slightly off topic, but I am opposed to euthanizing humans. That is not because I doubt the technology exists, but because I doubt a good reason exists for strangers to participate in such things. If a person truly wants to commit suicide, I would rather they do not ask for my participation. You have a point, it is difficult to know how much suffering there might be. I maintain that there are people who are mindful of that and try to reduce suffering to a minimum. You realize animals die anyway eventually?
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