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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 22:27:53 GMT
Should Disney sell the rights to Spider-Man and the Hulk to Universal so they can no longer use them in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
If the first two Hulk films are anything to go by, I think Universal could easily make an incredible third Hulk film and they could easily make an incredible Spider-Man film that appealed everyone of all ages and not just kids and comic nerds like the first two Spider-Man films if they had the rights to the character to do so.
It most likely won't happen and Marvel won't likely sell the rights to these characters anytime soon considering they are greedy and don't care about real Spider-Man and Hulk fans anymore and most people these days prefer both characters to be treated like a joke.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 12, 2020 22:37:29 GMT
They don't even own the rights to Spider-Man and Hulk, so how can they even sell their rights?
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 12, 2020 22:39:10 GMT
They don't even own the rights to Spider-Man and Hulk, so how can they even sell their rights? And given Universal's history of 'Dark Universe', I would rather see a Professor Hulk film from MCU. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 12, 2020 23:54:13 GMT
Go to school.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 13, 2020 1:03:37 GMT
They don't even own the rights to Spider-Man and Hulk, so how can they even sell their rights? And given Universal's history of 'Dark Universe', I would rather see a Professor Hulk film from MCU. Let’s not go crazy. |
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Post by James on Jan 13, 2020 1:54:00 GMT
It doesn’t really matter who owns them, just wait until Disney makes another Hulk movie, if that happens.
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 13, 2020 8:58:20 GMT
The rights for Hulk and Namor just reverted back to Disney/Marvel Studios from Universal. Universal only had the distrubution rights btw. But that is no longer the case.
Universal never had and never will have the rights to Spider-man. Sony does have the rights. Sony has made a deal with Marvel Studios for them to produce the movies on Sony's behalf.
If Sony Pictures ever got sold to another company (rumors of Apple buying them are getting stronger) the full rights to Spider-man will revert back to Disney/Marvel Studios. If that were to happen, Marvel Studios would be in control of the full Marvel IP for the first time.
Your whole OP is nonsense. Like the judge said, go to school.
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Post by dazz on Jan 13, 2020 17:27:34 GMT
No, firstly as stated Sony own the rights to the Spidey films, secondly Universal only made 1 Hulk movie, the Ang Lee Hulk which was terrible, Marvel made The Incredible Hulk and Universal simply distributed it, after that the Hulk rights were a bit iffy, from what I have been told and learned is Marvel owned the rights to the character, they could make a movie anytime they wanted, but Universal had a first look option in regards to distribution, meaning Marvel/Disney would have to offer Universal the option to distribute the movie, which they never wanted to do, this is why Universal also never produced their own Hulk film as they no longer had the rights, and Disney simply worked around it by using Hulk in the Avengers films and in Ragnarok.
Marvel will never let go of their rights unless Disney is in the shitter, for one they will not give up those film rights nor would anyone want them under the parameters Disney/Marvel would offer them up, Marvel retained at worst 50% of the merch rights if not 100% of them once Disney brought the company as that is where the money is at, Spidey grossed over $1b for the first time theatrically last year, but grosses closer to $2b every year in merch alone, no one is picking up a movie IP with a merch number that high without getting a slice of that pie and Disney will never give that up either.
Universal could do a great film with those characters maybe, but then they could also make another Ang Lee's Hulk, or TASM 2 keep in mind Sony produced every pidey film until Homecoming, so the same company produced TASM 2 and Spider Man 3 as well as both Spiderman 1 and Into The Spiderverse, so it's like yeah they could make something great and they could make something dogshit, theres no promise on which though, and also Disney could play hardball and be very constraining with ow they let someone use their IP if they ever did sell it again, Sony have this issue with Spidey and Fox had this issue with F4 and X-Men, despite owning the rights to both they were not allowed to mix them.
So yeah no Disney shouldn't give up the rights to their properties, it makes no sense for them to do so.
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 13, 2020 17:39:09 GMT
No, firstly as stated Sony own the rights to the Spidey films, secondly Universal only made 1 Hulk movie, the Ang Lee Hulk which was terrible, Marvel made The Incredible Hulk and Universal simply distributed it, after that the Hulk rights were a bit iffy, from what I have been told and learned is Marvel owned the rights to the character, they could make a movie anytime they wanted, but Universal had a first look option in regards to distribution, meaning Marvel/Disney would have to offer Universal the option to distribute the movie, which they never wanted to do, this is why Universal also never produced their own Hulk film as they no longer had the rights, and Disney simply worked around it by using Hulk in the Avengers films and in Ragnarok. Marvel will never let go of their rights unless Disney is in the shitter, for one they will not give up those film rights nor would anyone want them under the parameters Disney/Marvel would offer them up, Marvel retained at worst 50% of the merch rights if not 100% of them once Disney brought the company as that is where the money is at, Spidey grossed over $1b for the first time theatrically last year, but grosses closer to $2b every year in merch alone, no one is picking up a movie IP with a merch number that high without getting a slice of that pie and Disney will never give that up either. Universal could do a great film with those characters maybe, but then they could also make another Ang Lee's Hulk, or TASM 2 keep in mind Sony produced every pidey film until Homecoming, so the same company produced TASM 2 and Spider Man 3 as well as both Spiderman 1 and Into The Spiderverse, so it's like yeah they could make something great and they could make something dogshit, theres no promise on which though, and also Disney could play hardball and be very constraining with ow they let someone use their IP if they ever did sell it again, Sony have this issue with Spidey and Fox had this issue with F4 and X-Men, despite owning the rights to both they were not allowed to mix them. So yeah no Disney shouldn't give up the rights to their properties, it makes no sense for them to do so. MS has regained full controll of all Hulk related rights. Thats why MS can release a She-Hulk series on D+. Universal would never distribute something through a Disney owned channel. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 13, 2020 17:39:40 GMT
I wish MCU could just break away from Disney and be its own studio.
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Post by dazz on Jan 13, 2020 17:46:51 GMT
No, firstly as stated Sony own the rights to the Spidey films, secondly Universal only made 1 Hulk movie, the Ang Lee Hulk which was terrible, Marvel made The Incredible Hulk and Universal simply distributed it, after that the Hulk rights were a bit iffy, from what I have been told and learned is Marvel owned the rights to the character, they could make a movie anytime they wanted, but Universal had a first look option in regards to distribution, meaning Marvel/Disney would have to offer Universal the option to distribute the movie, which they never wanted to do, this is why Universal also never produced their own Hulk film as they no longer had the rights, and Disney simply worked around it by using Hulk in the Avengers films and in Ragnarok. Marvel will never let go of their rights unless Disney is in the shitter, for one they will not give up those film rights nor would anyone want them under the parameters Disney/Marvel would offer them up, Marvel retained at worst 50% of the merch rights if not 100% of them once Disney brought the company as that is where the money is at, Spidey grossed over $1b for the first time theatrically last year, but grosses closer to $2b every year in merch alone, no one is picking up a movie IP with a merch number that high without getting a slice of that pie and Disney will never give that up either. Universal could do a great film with those characters maybe, but then they could also make another Ang Lee's Hulk, or TASM 2 keep in mind Sony produced every pidey film until Homecoming, so the same company produced TASM 2 and Spider Man 3 as well as both Spiderman 1 and Into The Spiderverse, so it's like yeah they could make something great and they could make something dogshit, theres no promise on which though, and also Disney could play hardball and be very constraining with ow they let someone use their IP if they ever did sell it again, Sony have this issue with Spidey and Fox had this issue with F4 and X-Men, despite owning the rights to both they were not allowed to mix them. So yeah no Disney shouldn't give up the rights to their properties, it makes no sense for them to do so. MS has regained full controll of all Hulk related rights. Thats why MS can release a She-Hulk series on D+. Universal would never distribute something through a Disney owned channel. They have had that since 2012, the only thing that seems to have changed is Universal's right of first refusal has run out, Universal since atleast 2012 and maybe even earlier didn't have the right to make any Hulk related properties, they only had distribution rights to a Hulk based movie which is why Marvel just spliced Hulk into Ragnarok because technically it was a Thor movie not a Hulk movie.
Also Universal probably would, if they had the rights to something and Disney paid them enough for it, WB have distributed lots of their stuff on channels owned by other studios, just look at Lucifer & Gotham which aired on Fox.
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 13, 2020 17:51:56 GMT
MS has regained full controll of all Hulk related rights. Thats why MS can release a She-Hulk series on D+. Universal would never distribute something through a Disney owned channel. They have had that since 2012, the only thing that seems to have changed is Universal's right of first refusal has run out, Universal since atleast 2012 and maybe even earlier didn't have the right to make any Hulk related properties, they only had distribution rights to a Hulk based movie which is why Marvel just spliced Hulk into Ragnarok because technically it was a Thor movie not a Hulk movie.
Also Universal probably would, if they had the rights to something and Disney paid them enough for it, WB have distributed lots of their stuff on channels owned by other studios, just look at Lucifer & Gotham which aired on Fox.
Thats what I said. Universal no longer has any rights to whatever Marvel property. The only thing Marvel beeds back to achieve reunification of their IP is Spider-man. And that will be coming back soon. Go Apple! |
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Post by dazz on Jan 13, 2020 18:17:43 GMT
They have had that since 2012, the only thing that seems to have changed is Universal's right of first refusal has run out, Universal since atleast 2012 and maybe even earlier didn't have the right to make any Hulk related properties, they only had distribution rights to a Hulk based movie which is why Marvel just spliced Hulk into Ragnarok because technically it was a Thor movie not a Hulk movie.
Also Universal probably would, if they had the rights to something and Disney paid them enough for it, WB have distributed lots of their stuff on channels owned by other studios, just look at Lucifer & Gotham which aired on Fox.
Thats what I said. Universal no longer has any rights to whatever Marvel property. The only thing Marvel beeds back to achieve reunification of their IP is Spider-man. And that will be coming back soon. Go Apple! Which I had said myself which you then responded to me, so I was just reiterating what I had said as you seemed to have misread what I had said, also no you said Disney reclaimed the rights, they always had the rights, just not the distribution, which may have just been movie based, which was the case with X-Men until their 2015/6 renegotiations where Fox was given the rights to make X-Men shows, so Disney may have always been able to do a She Hulk show, just that until now they didn't have an outlet worthy of the cost for that show.
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