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Post by Skaathar on Jan 15, 2020 3:12:59 GMT
Sorry, but I'm really irritated by that mask. Where the f**k is the skull? Also, just once I'd like to see a skilled h2h female movie fighter who doesn't use that scissor-leg hurricanrana throw. Talk about overused. Other than that, great looking trailer. If people were trained in the same place, they would know the same moves. They are both Black Widows. That doesn't explain why Wasp uses the same move, or Daisy Johnson, or Melinda May, or Colombiana, or Mrs. Smith, or Lara Croft, or some of the Charlie's Angels, or a whole plethora of other action females. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 15, 2020 16:26:47 GMT
If people were trained in the same place, they would know the same moves. They are both Black Widows. That doesn't explain why Wasp uses the same move, or Daisy Johnson, or Melinda May, or Colombiana, or Mrs. Smith, or Lara Croft, or some of the Charlie's Angels, or a whole plethora of other action females. Okay, then think of it like this: It is an easy way for a woman to disorient a guy and bring him down quickly. Plus it looks good when they do it.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 15, 2020 18:08:15 GMT
That doesn't explain why Wasp uses the same move, or Daisy Johnson, or Melinda May, or Colombiana, or Mrs. Smith, or Lara Croft, or some of the Charlie's Angels, or a whole plethora of other action females. Okay, then think of it like this: It is an easy way for a woman to disorient a guy and bring him down quickly. Plus it looks good when they do it. From a realistic point of view, it's not an easy maneuver to use at all. Forget the high gymnastic ability needed by the woman, the man can simply take a step back and the maneuver would fail. Now I agree it looks cool... if it isn't overused. Unfortunately it is used by nearly every female action star for the last 2 decades and it's getting pretty old. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 15, 2020 22:04:47 GMT
Okay, then think of it like this: It is an easy way for a woman to disorient a guy and bring him down quickly. Plus it looks good when they do it. From a realistic point of view, it's not an easy maneuver to use at all. Forget the high gymnastic ability needed by the woman, the man can simply take a step back and the maneuver would fail. Now I agree it looks cool... if it isn't overused. Unfortunately it is used by nearly every female action star for the last 2 decades and it's getting pretty old. And all the women in the MCU that use it have high gymnastic ability. Especially Wasp, Natasha and Melinda. And all the guys they use it on are grunts. When Natasha tried it on Bucky, she got thrown through a table.
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Post by raiderjedi on Jan 15, 2020 22:27:51 GMT
No skull The trailer was meh i got Johnny English vibes A bolt of lightning contains enough energy to toast 100,000 slices of bread
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 16, 2020 1:57:47 GMT
From a realistic point of view, it's not an easy maneuver to use at all. Forget the high gymnastic ability needed by the woman, the man can simply take a step back and the maneuver would fail. Now I agree it looks cool... if it isn't overused. Unfortunately it is used by nearly every female action star for the last 2 decades and it's getting pretty old. And all the women in the MCU that use it have high gymnastic ability. Especially Wasp, Natasha and Melinda. And all the guys they use it on are grunts. When Natasha tried it on Bucky, she got thrown through a table. Yes, which means this is not true: In any case, it's not the maneuver itself that's the issue but that it's overused. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 16, 2020 18:02:35 GMT
From a realistic point of view, it's not an easy maneuver to use at all. Forget the high gymnastic ability needed by the woman, the man can simply take a step back and the maneuver would fail. Now I agree it looks cool... if it isn't overused. Unfortunately it is used by nearly every female action star for the last 2 decades and it's getting pretty old. And all the women in the MCU that use it have high gymnastic ability. Especially Wasp, Natasha and Melinda. And all the guys they use it on are grunts. When Natasha tried it on Bucky, she got thrown through a table. All I know is if ScarJo jumps on my face, I'm going with it. I'll just tell my wife somebody took over my mind with codewords spoken in Russian.
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 16, 2020 18:03:45 GMT
And all the women in the MCU that use it have high gymnastic ability. Especially Wasp, Natasha and Melinda. And all the guys they use it on are grunts. When Natasha tried it on Bucky, she got thrown through a table. All I know is if ScarJo jumps on my face, I'm going with it. I'll just tell my wife somebody took over my mind with codewords spoken in Russian. My wife will probably join. She thinks Scarjo is "incredibly Sexy"... |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 16, 2020 19:28:09 GMT
And all the women in the MCU that use it have high gymnastic ability. Especially Wasp, Natasha and Melinda. And all the guys they use it on are grunts. When Natasha tried it on Bucky, she got thrown through a table. All I know is if ScarJo jumps on my face, I'm going with it. I'll just tell my wife somebody took over my mind with codewords spoken in Russian. Personally I'd prefer someone in a skirt, like Wanda. Then just tell my wife I really really tried to get her off. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 16, 2020 20:50:38 GMT
And all the women in the MCU that use it have high gymnastic ability. Especially Wasp, Natasha and Melinda. And all the guys they use it on are grunts. When Natasha tried it on Bucky, she got thrown through a table. Yes, which means this is not true: In any case, it's not the maneuver itself that's the issue but that it's overused. And who do they all use it on? Faceless grunts. And it works every time on them. Also, up to Ant-man and the Wasp on my MCU chronological order viewing. Hope used it on a guy while she was flying and size changing.
How does it not working on Bucky mean that "it's an easy way to disorient someone" not true? It's still true because it still works. Bucky just knew how to counter it.
Saying that a martial arts move is overused is like saying a punch is overused. Does it bother you when you see someone doing a roundhouse kick or uppercut?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 21:17:40 GMT
Was he not a joke in Thor? so embarrassing. Where is Wonder Woman? she is how gods should act like. Breathing is fun. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 16, 2020 22:35:55 GMT
Yes, which means this is not true: In any case, it's not the maneuver itself that's the issue but that it's overused. And who do they all use it on? Faceless grunts. And it works every time on them. Also, up to Ant-man and the Wasp on my MCU chronological order viewing. Hope used it on a guy while she was flying and size changing.
How does it not working on Bucky mean that "it's an easy way to disorient someone" not true? It's still true because it still works. Bucky just knew how to counter it.
Saying that a martial arts move is overused is like saying a punch is overused. Does it bother you when you see someone doing a roundhouse kick or uppercut?
A jab, cross, front kick, roundhouse, tackle... these are all very basic moves that make up the foundation of human fighting, and they're pretty easy to do (relatively speaking). Trying to equate a hurricanrana to an uppercut is like comparing an icepick to a drill. A better comparison would be something like a tombstone piledriver. How would you feel if nearly every male action hero (regardless of size or musculature) used a tombstone piledriver in every one of their fights, again and again, whether against grunts or skilled opponents? Could you honestly say you wouldn't get tired of it? |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 17, 2020 16:23:25 GMT
And who do they all use it on? Faceless grunts. And it works every time on them. Also, up to Ant-man and the Wasp on my MCU chronological order viewing. Hope used it on a guy while she was flying and size changing.
How does it not working on Bucky mean that "it's an easy way to disorient someone" not true? It's still true because it still works. Bucky just knew how to counter it.
Saying that a martial arts move is overused is like saying a punch is overused. Does it bother you when you see someone doing a roundhouse kick or uppercut?
A jab, cross, front kick, roundhouse, tackle... these are all very basic moves that make up the foundation of human fighting, and they're pretty easy to do (relatively speaking). Trying to equate a hurricanrana to an uppercut is like comparing an icepick to a drill. A better comparison would be something like a tombstone piledriver. How would you feel if nearly every male action hero (regardless of size or musculature) used a tombstone piledriver in every one of their fights, again and again, whether against grunts or skilled opponents? Could you honestly say you wouldn't get tired of it? Think about the characters that use it. All of them are athletic and some of the best fighters. We never see someone like Wanda use it. We even see Captain Marvel kinda use it on Thanos.
But a Tombstone is not a visually exciting move that would allow for fast motion in a movie. It would have to be on the last grunt and be done like a reverse Hurricanrana. Like catching someone and spinning them really fast. But we do see a lot of them use the "Rock Bottom" (don't know the official name of it) or spear (if in motion).
And it seems a lot of wrestlers do the Hurricanrana (almost every female wrestler).
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 17, 2020 17:31:25 GMT
A jab, cross, front kick, roundhouse, tackle... these are all very basic moves that make up the foundation of human fighting, and they're pretty easy to do (relatively speaking). Trying to equate a hurricanrana to an uppercut is like comparing an icepick to a drill. A better comparison would be something like a tombstone piledriver. How would you feel if nearly every male action hero (regardless of size or musculature) used a tombstone piledriver in every one of their fights, again and again, whether against grunts or skilled opponents? Could you honestly say you wouldn't get tired of it? Think about the characters that use it. All of them are athletic and some of the best fighters. We never see someone like Wanda use it. We even see Captain Marvel kinda use it on Thanos.
But a Tombstone is not a visually exciting move that would allow for fast motion in a movie. It would have to be on the last grunt and be done like a reverse Hurricanrana. Like catching someone and spinning them really fast. But we do see a lot of them use the "Rock Bottom" (don't know the official name of it) or spear (if in motion).
And it seems a lot of wrestlers do the Hurricanrana (almost every female wrestler).
A spear is just a tackle, which is a very basic fighting move. I don't recall many male action stars performing a rock bottom other than Dwayne Johnson, so it's definitely nowhere near as overused as the hurricanrana. I disagree with the tombstone not being visually exciting, I find it pretty exhilirating to see. But fine, if you want something with more twirly-whirly stuff then let's say a spinning back breaker. What if almost every male action star performed a spinning back breaker in their fights, again and again, against numerous enemies regardless if they're grunts or final bosses. Can you really say you won't get tired of seeing it? And no, not all the characters that use the hurricanrana are athletic. Or rather, not all the actresses that use it are athletic. Or at least, not athletic enough to pull off a move like that in real life. I mean, sure I'm willing to suspend disbelief, same way I'm willing to suspend disbelief whenever I see Captain America do a spinning flip kick even though I know Chris Evans can never do anything like that in real life. But seeing a 110-pound Zoe Saldana pull off a hurricanrana is like seeing Chris Evans perform a choke slam. It will make sense in some movies where their powers provide logic, but it won't make sense in other movies. And it gets pretty tiring if you see it being pulled time and time again.
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Post by scabab on Jan 20, 2020 11:47:03 GMT
I wasn't interested in this originally but I'm starting to think it might be better than a bunch of others. Gives me Winter Soldier vibes.
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 20, 2020 12:55:28 GMT
I wasn't interested in this originally but I'm starting to think it might be better than a bunch of others. Gives me Winter Soldier vibes. It gives me James Bond vibes. Ans a good Bond at that. |
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