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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 18, 2020 17:48:05 GMT
like how Captain America went back to deliver the infinity stones off to safe places and go to see and live life with his beloved Peggy Carter. Crisis on Infinite Earths didn't send anyone back in time to permanently erase someone's children from history like how Steve Rogers went back in time and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. Hmmm...So you agree with me at least regarding Oliver Queen's sacrifice, his funeral, the music, and the potentially numerous other comparisons then? Still a "wrap up loose ends" plot device for the sake of it to make every character happy, and given how you call out many MCU movies for ripping off other DC shows and movies for very vague reasons two can play that game if you've ever heard the expression, right? Also, by combining both universes into one the billions of other people who had existed on both were likely erased and replaced with different versions that can occupy it, which means families and children were dusted out of existence juuuuuuust to make Barry, Kara, Sarah, John, Cisco, Iris, Caitlyn, Ray, etc. happy. And do they address this and think it was an injustice to do so? Nope, they embrace it with glee. Now, if a Marvel character expressed the same emotion to a similar event in their movie or even TV series you would call them monsters.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 18, 2020 18:45:50 GMT
Crisis on Infinite Earths didn't send anyone back in time to permanently erase someone's children from history like how Steve Rogers went back in time and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. by combining both universes into one the billions of other people who had existed on both were likely erased and replaced with different versions that can occupy it, which means families and children were dusted out of existence They didn't combine the universes. The multiverses were already destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. They went to the dawn of time and basically restarted the Big Bang. So they went from zero universes to a handful of universes (and even brought back Diggle's daughter) and no one went back in time to permanently erase any children from history like Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. In Endgame, they went from 50% (3 and 1/2 billion people on Earth) to 100% (7 billion people on Earth) and then Steve Rogers went back in time and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. Not to mention the millions (who might not have been dusted before) who would die from the famine and starvation caused by the Avengers suddenly increasing the population of Earth by 3 and 1/2 billion overnight. No such famine and starvation would've occurred in Crisis on Infinite Earths.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 18, 2020 19:28:59 GMT
by combining both universes into one the billions of other people who had existed on both were likely erased and replaced with different versions that can occupy it, which means families and children were dusted out of existence They didn't combine the universes. The multiverses were already destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. They went to the dawn of time and basically restarted the Big Bang. So they went from zero universes to a handful of universes (and even brought back Diggle's daughter) and no one went back in time to permanently erase any children from history like Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. In Endgame, they went from 50% (3 and 1/2 billion people on Earth) to 100% (7 billion people on Earth) and then Steve Rogers went back in time and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. Not to mention the millions (who might not have been dusted before) who would die from the famine and starvation caused by the Avengers suddenly increasing the population of Earth by 3 and 1/2 billion overnight. No such famine and starvation would've occurred in Crisis on Infinite Earths. LMAO, dude they did combine universes, they restarted the big bang, restored the multiverse to the way it was except for their original two universes which were made into one THUS rewriting history and erasing the billions of versions of the same people from both and being replaced with new ones. And was this addressed? Nope, not at all, and the heroes didn't care they celebrated that they didn't need to hop from one universe to another again like they traditionally have done to see each other. But go ahead, keep telling yourself Steve Rogers is a selfish, blood sucking fiend and keep holding up the CW DC superheroes as angels sent from above...
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Post by damngumby on Jan 18, 2020 20:11:02 GMT
They didn't combine the universes. The multiverses were already destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. They went to the dawn of time and basically restarted the Big Bang. LMAO, dude they did combine universes, they restarted the big bang, restored the multiverse to the way it was except for their original two universes which were made into one THUS rewriting history and erasing the billions of versions of the same people from both and being replaced with new ones. And was this addressed? Nope, not at all, and the heroes didn't care they celebrated that they didn't need to hop from one universe to another again like they traditionally have done to see each other. They had the means to restore things to the way they were yet they intentionally didn't restore an entire universe, on purpose? For no better reason than to make it easier to get around? JFC, I heard that this Arrow-verse was a fucked up mess, desperately in need of a re-boot, but killing off billions for such a trivial reason. Makes you wonder what sort of person would watch those shows.
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 18, 2020 20:12:30 GMT
like how Captain America went back to deliver the infinity stones off to safe places and go to see and live life with his beloved Peggy Carter. Crisis on Infinite Earths didn't send anyone back in time to permanently erase someone's children from history like how Steve Rogers went back in time and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. Jorgensen scored a brace tonight against Heerenveen.
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 18, 2020 20:13:13 GMT
by combining both universes into one the billions of other people who had existed on both were likely erased and replaced with different versions that can occupy it, which means families and children were dusted out of existence They didn't combine the universes. The multiverses were already destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. They went to the dawn of time and basically restarted the Big Bang. So they went from zero universes to a handful of universes (and even brought back Diggle's daughter) and no one went back in time to permanently erase any children from history like Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. In Endgame, they went from 50% (3 and 1/2 billion people on Earth) to 100% (7 billion people on Earth) and then Steve Rogers went back in time and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. Not to mention the millions (who might not have been dusted before) who would die from the famine and starvation caused by the Avengers suddenly increasing the population of Earth by 3 and 1/2 billion overnight. No such famine and starvation would've occurred in Crisis on Infinite Earths. If your breathe stinks you should drink more water.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 18, 2020 20:21:47 GMT
They didn't combine the universes. The multiverses were already destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. They went to the dawn of time and basically restarted the Big Bang. So they went from zero universes to a handful of universes (and even brought back Diggle's daughter) and no one went back in time to permanently erase any children from history like Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. In Endgame, they went from 50% (3 and 1/2 billion people on Earth) to 100% (7 billion people on Earth) and then Steve Rogers went back in time and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history. Not to mention the millions (who might not have been dusted before) who would die from the famine and starvation caused by the Avengers suddenly increasing the population of Earth by 3 and 1/2 billion overnight. No such famine and starvation would've occurred in Crisis on Infinite Earths. dude they did combine universes, they restarted the big bang, restored the multiverse to the way it was except for their original two universes which were made into one THUS rewriting history No, they didn't combine universes or rewrite history. They went to the dawn of time and restarted the Big Bang. You seem to be under the misconception that when they restarted the Big Bang, they got to choose which universes would be re-created and which universes wouldn't. They had NO choice. All they could do was restart the Big Bang! Then it would be up to science to determine how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. Heck, after the universes were started, Supergirl and Flash each thought they were on their own Earth and didn't even know that their two Earths had merged. So that proves they didn't combine the universes or rewrite history. The multiverses had been destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. All they did was restart the Big Bang. Then it was science that determined how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. In Endgame, Steve Rogers went back in time and made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Unlike Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the heroes had no control over how many universes would be created from the Big Bang, Steve Rogers did have control over whether or not Peggy Carter's children would be permanently erased from history. And Steve Rogers made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 18, 2020 20:24:10 GMT
LMAO, dude they did combine universes, they restarted the big bang, restored the multiverse to the way it was except for their original two universes which were made into one THUS rewriting history and erasing the billions of versions of the same people from both and being replaced with new ones. And was this addressed? Nope, not at all, and the heroes didn't care they celebrated that they didn't need to hop from one universe to another again like they traditionally have done to see each other. They had the means to restore things to the way they were yet they intentionally didn't restore an entire universe, on purpose? For no better reason than to make it easier to get around? They had NO means to restore things to the way they were. You seem to be under the misconception that when they restarted the Big Bang, they got to choose which universes would be re-created and which universes wouldn't. They had NO choice. All they could do was restart the Big Bang! Then it would be up to science to determine how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. Heck, after the universes were started, Supergirl and Flash each thought they were on their own Earth and didn't even know that their two Earths had merged. So that proves they didn't combine the universes or rewrite history. The multiverses had been destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. All they did was restart the Big Bang. Then it was science that determined how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. In Endgame, Steve Rogers went back in time and made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Unlike Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the heroes had no control over how many universes would be created from the Big Bang, Steve Rogers did have control over whether or not Peggy Carter's children would be permanently erased from history. And Steve Rogers made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history.
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 18, 2020 20:35:34 GMT
dude they did combine universes, they restarted the big bang, restored the multiverse to the way it was except for their original two universes which were made into one THUS rewriting history No, they didn't combine universes or rewrite history. They went to the dawn of time and restarted the Big Bang. You seem to be under the misconception that when they restarted the Big Bang, they got to choose which universes would be re-created and which universes wouldn't. They had NO choice. All they could do was restart the Big Bang! Then it would be up to science to determine how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. Heck, after the universes were started, Supergirl and Flash each thought they were on their own Earth and didn't even know that their two Earths had merged. So that proves they didn't combine the universes or rewrite history. The multiverses had been destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. All they did was restart the Big Bang. Then it was science that determined how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. In Endgame, Steve Rogers went back in time and made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Unlike Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the heroes had no control over how many universes would be created from the Big Bang, Steve Rogers did have control over whether or not Peggy Carter's children would be permanently erased from history. And Steve Rogers made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history. If it itches... scratch
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 18, 2020 20:36:28 GMT
They had the means to restore things to the way they were yet they intentionally didn't restore an entire universe, on purpose? For no better reason than to make it easier to get around? They had NO means to restore things to the way they were. You seem to be under the misconception that when they restarted the Big Bang, they got to choose which universes would be re-created and which universes wouldn't. They had NO choice. All they could do was restart the Big Bang! Then it would be up to science to determine how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. Heck, after the universes were started, Supergirl and Flash each thought they were on their own Earth and didn't even know that their two Earths had merged. So that proves they didn't combine the universes or rewrite history. The multiverses had been destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. All they did was restart the Big Bang. Then it was science that determined how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. In Endgame, Steve Rogers went back in time and made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Unlike Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the heroes had no control over how many universes would be created from the Big Bang, Steve Rogers did have control over whether or not Peggy Carter's children would be permanently erased from history. And Steve Rogers made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history. Cats dont like the cold. They always seek out heat.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 18, 2020 20:38:51 GMT
dude they did combine universes, they restarted the big bang, restored the multiverse to the way it was except for their original two universes which were made into one THUS rewriting history No, they didn't combine universes or rewrite history. They went to the dawn of time and restarted the Big Bang. You seem to be under the misconception that when they restarted the Big Bang, they got to choose which universes would be re-created and which universes wouldn't. They had NO choice. All they could do was restart the Big Bang! Then it would be up to science to determine how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. Heck, after the universes were started, Supergirl and Flash each thought they were on their own Earth and didn't even know that their two Earths had merged. So that proves they didn't combine the universes or rewrite history. The multiverses had been destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. All they did was restart the Big Bang. Then it was science that determined how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. In Endgame, Steve Rogers went back in time and made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Unlike Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the heroes had no control over how many universes would be created from the Big Bang, Steve Rogers did have control over whether or not Peggy Carter's children would be permanently erased from history. And Steve Rogers made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history. So because they had no control they should just ignore that by their universes being combined in resulted in the termination of previous versions of billions of people including children, infants, human and otherwise and just go about their day and be jolly? "Who cares how many people were erased to make way for us to be closer together? We're all on the same Earth now! Yay!" Some heroes, only bothered honoring Oliver Queen when others died too. But Steve didn't erase Peggy's children out of existence, he went back in time and settled down with her and started a family, there is no evidence to say he was never not her husband in the continuity of the MCU Hope your enjoying the unnecessary stress to your day! XD
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 18, 2020 20:39:35 GMT
They had the means to restore things to the way they were yet they intentionally didn't restore an entire universe, on purpose? For no better reason than to make it easier to get around? They had NO means to restore things to the way they were. You seem to be under the misconception that when they restarted the Big Bang, they got to choose which universes would be re-created and which universes wouldn't. They had NO choice. All they could do was restart the Big Bang! Then it would be up to science to determine how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. Heck, after the universes were started, Supergirl and Flash each thought they were on their own Earth and didn't even know that their two Earths had merged. So that proves they didn't combine the universes or rewrite history. The multiverses had been destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. All they did was restart the Big Bang. Then it was science that determined how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. In Endgame, Steve Rogers went back in time and made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Unlike Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the heroes had no control over how many universes would be created from the Big Bang, Steve Rogers did have control over whether or not Peggy Carter's children would be permanently erased from history. And Steve Rogers made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history. Repeating yourself won't do you any favors, now go to school.
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Post by raiderjedi on Jan 18, 2020 20:45:26 GMT
Odd how a thread about Alita and Spiderman got derailed into something about how all the Avengers are terrible mass murderers and all DC superheroes are complete angels. scabab perhaps can investigate and determine if there was a particular user who is responsible. On the subject of the OP, it has already been determined which is the preferred film between the two.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 18, 2020 20:48:01 GMT
No, they didn't combine universes or rewrite history. They went to the dawn of time and restarted the Big Bang. You seem to be under the misconception that when they restarted the Big Bang, they got to choose which universes would be re-created and which universes wouldn't. They had NO choice. All they could do was restart the Big Bang! Then it would be up to science to determine how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. Heck, after the universes were started, Supergirl and Flash each thought they were on their own Earth and didn't even know that their two Earths had merged. So that proves they didn't combine the universes or rewrite history. The multiverses had been destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. All they did was restart the Big Bang. Then it was science that determined how many universes would be created from the Big Bang. In Endgame, Steve Rogers went back in time and made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Unlike Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the heroes had no control over how many universes would be created from the Big Bang, Steve Rogers did have control over whether or not Peggy Carter's children would be permanently erased from history. And Steve Rogers made the selfish choice to permanently erase Peggy Carter's children from history. So because they had no control they should just ignore that by their universes being combined in resulted in the termination of previous versions of billions of people including children, infants, human and otherwise and just go about their day and be jolly? When World War II ended, do you think none of the Allies soldiers celebrated or were jolly that the war was over and they had survived the war? Do you think that no one went on with their lives? They had survived a Crisis that destroyed the multiverse. It's natural to celebrate the end of a crisis like that. And when a crisis or war ends, people move on with their lives. They don't mope around and get drunk every day and just become fat like Thor did. Steve didn't erase Peggy's children out of existence, he went back in time and settled down with her and started a family And when Steve went back in time to settle down with Peggy Carter and start a family with Peggy Carter, he took Peggy Carter away from the man she was supposed to marry and thus permanently erased their children from history forever. there is no evidence to say he was never not her husband in the continuity of the MCU Except for the fact that Steve Rogers was frozen in ice in 1945 and woke up in 2011. So clearly Steve Rogers was never Peggy Carter's husband or the father of her children in MCU.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 18, 2020 20:52:59 GMT
Odd how a thread about Alita and Spiderman got derailed into something about how all the Avengers are terrible mass murderers and all DC superheroes are complete angels. scabab perhaps can investigate and determine if there was a particular user who is responsible. On the subject of the OP, it has already been determined which is the preferred film between the two. scabab _doesn't need to investigate. We can all see on page 1 of this thread who is responsible. I replied to this thread "Agreed. FFH is the worst Spider-Man movie ever made.", which is clearly within the subject of this thread. Then JudgeJuryDredd replied to my post with "Crisis on Infinite Earths totally copied off of Endgame by the way.", which is clearly off-topic from the subject of this thread. So there's your answer as to who's responsible!
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 18, 2020 20:57:56 GMT
So because they had no control they should just ignore that by their universes being combined in resulted in the termination of previous versions of billions of people including children, infants, human and otherwise and just go about their day and be jolly? When World War II ended, do you think none of the Allies soldiers celebrated or were jolly that the war was over and they had survived the war? Do you think that no one went on with their lives? They had survived a Crisis that destroyed the multiverse. It's natural to celebrate the end of a crisis like that. And when a crisis or war ends, people move on with their lives. They don't mope around and get drunk every day and just become fat like Thor did. Steve didn't erase Peggy's children out of existence, he went back in time and settled down with her and started a family And when Steve went back in time to settle down with Peggy Carter and start a family with Peggy Carter, he took Peggy Carter away from the man she was supposed to marry and thus permanently erased their children from history forever. there is no evidence to say he was never not her husband in the continuity of the MCU Except for the fact that Steve Rogers was frozen in ice in 1945 and woke up in 2011. So clearly Steve Rogers was never Peggy Carter's husband or the father of her children in MCU. There could exist 2 Steve Rogers in the same timeline, like Endgame shows 2012 Cap fighting 2023 Cap. Likewise, 2023 Cap went back in time and married Peggy and raised a family with her, while 2011 Cap is still frozen in ice.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 18, 2020 21:02:22 GMT
Odd how a thread about Alita and Spiderman got derailed into something about how all the Avengers are terrible mass murderers and all DC superheroes are complete angels. scabab perhaps can investigate and determine if there was a particular user who is responsible. On the subject of the OP, it has already been determined which is the preferred film between the two. Yeah, you're right, time for the fun to stop - Besides, with DC-Fan its not like there are no other opportunities where they present themselves as fools on the internet.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 18, 2020 21:05:47 GMT
So because they had no control they should just ignore that by their universes being combined in resulted in the termination of previous versions of billions of people including children, infants, human and otherwise and just go about their day and be jolly? When World War II ended, do you think none of the Allies soldiers celebrated or were jolly that the war was over and they had survived the war? Do you think that no one went on with their lives? They had survived a Crisis that destroyed the multiverse. It's natural to celebrate the end of a crisis like that. And when a crisis or war ends, people move on with their lives. They don't mope around and get drunk every day and just become fat like Thor did. Steve didn't erase Peggy's children out of existence, he went back in time and settled down with her and started a family And when Steve went back in time to settle down with Peggy Carter and start a family with Peggy Carter, he took Peggy Carter away from the man she was supposed to marry and thus permanently erased their children from history forever. there is no evidence to say he was never not her husband in the continuity of the MCU Except for the fact that Steve Rogers was frozen in ice in 1945 and woke up in 2011. So clearly Steve Rogers was never Peggy Carter's husband or the father of her children in MCU. Dude, you could've easily avoided this whole thing but instead you chose to give my response attention and engage in debate with me, I was messing around with you and you played right into the trap and rose your heart beat higher than usual and allowed your blood to boil. Everybody has had their good laugh at you, now settle down and take my advice and look into programs that will allow you to get a GED - Education matters and it is never too late.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 18, 2020 21:07:03 GMT
Odd how a thread about Alita and Spiderman got derailed into something about how all the Avengers are terrible mass murderers and all DC superheroes are complete angels. scabab perhaps can investigate and determine if there was a particular user who is responsible. On the subject of the OP, it has already been determined which is the preferred film between the two. scabab _doesn't need to investigate. We can all see on page 1 of this thread who is responsible. I replied to this thread "Agreed. FFH is the worst Spider-Man movie ever made.", which is clearly within the subject of this thread. Then JudgeJuryDredd replied to my post with "Crisis on Infinite Earths totally copied off of Endgame by the way.", which is clearly off-topic from the subject of this thread. So there's your answer as to who's responsible! AND you could've just easily ignored it, instead you got angry and are throwing temper tantrums like a little kid upset that their parents didn't get them what they wanted from the toy store.
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Post by scabab on Jan 18, 2020 21:08:09 GMT
DC-Fan has been permanently banned from this forum since about 10 minutes ago. There's no need to go into it further as it's not going to continue anymore.
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