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Post by Ass_E9 on Jan 22, 2020 18:23:35 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 22, 2020 18:29:17 GMT
The rat at the end of The Departed.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jan 22, 2020 18:59:55 GMT
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 22, 2020 20:50:19 GMT
The rat at the end of The Departed. This feels more like a visual gag than an attempt at actual symbolism.
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rogerthat
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Post by rogerthat on Jan 22, 2020 21:55:36 GMT
If you ever watched Room 237 you might think The Shining was extreme in its symbolism
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 22, 2020 22:12:50 GMT
The rat at the end of The Departed. This feels more like a visual gag than an attempt at actual symbolism. The symbolism is that the rat runs passed the State House. Of course, a lot of the people who complain about the rat don't even get that.
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Post by Catman on Jan 22, 2020 22:14:51 GMT
The Omega Man (1971)
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Post by ck100 on Jan 22, 2020 22:31:15 GMT
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Post by senan90 on Jan 23, 2020 0:05:57 GMT
The ravens in A Simple Plan
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2020 0:12:35 GMT
This feels more like a visual gag than an attempt at actual symbolism. The symbolism is that the rat runs passed the State House.
Of course, a lot of the people who complain about the rat don't even get that. I didn't pick up on that either, but I always saw it as a visual gag as well.
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Post by sostie on Jan 23, 2020 0:12:51 GMT
The rat at the end of The Departed. The first that came to mind for me too
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 23, 2020 0:30:42 GMT
The symbolism is that the rat runs passed the State House.
Of course, a lot of the people who complain about the rat don't even get that. I didn't pick up on that either, but I always saw it as a visual gag as well. The State House is a symbol throughout for Colin's desire to escape his crooked life, and at the end with the rat crawling and even pausing right in front of it, it's echoing the theme that everyone is crooked, even at the top.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2020 0:35:17 GMT
I didn't pick up on that either, but I always saw it as a visual gag as well. The State House is a symbol throughout for Colin's desire to escape his crooked life, and at the end with the rat crawling and even pausing right in front of it, it's echoing the theme that everyone is crooked, even at the top. But doesn't everyone already assume that everyone at the top is especially crooked?
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Post by sostie on Jan 23, 2020 0:46:59 GMT
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 23, 2020 0:58:50 GMT
The State House is a symbol throughout for Colin's desire to escape his crooked life, and at the end with the rat crawling and even pausing right in front of it, it's echoing the theme that everyone is crooked, even at the top. But doesn't everyone already assume that everyone at the top is especially crooked? Then why trust them with the Patriot Act, which is referenced seemingly randomly? People were surprised at the cover up of pedophilia in the Catholic Church, which is also referenced seemingly randomly. All of the characters are surprised to find that the FBI would use a mob boss as an informant. How obvious or groundbreaking the point is isn't really relevant to there being a point. Scorsese shows and the characters comment on that State House repeatedly, and at the end a rat is positioned directly in front of it. Do you think that's an accident?
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 23, 2020 1:04:59 GMT
But doesn't everyone already assume that everyone at the top is especially crooked? Then why trust them with the Patriot Act, which is referenced seemingly randomly? People were surprised at the cover up of pedophilia in the Catholic Church, which is also referenced seemingly randomly. All of the characters are surprised to find that the FBI would use a mob boss as an informant. How obvious or groundbreaking the point is isn't really relevant to there being a point. Scorsese shows and the characters comment on that State House repeatedly, and at the end a rat is positioned directly in front of it. Do you think that's an accident? I didn't say it was and I don't have a problem with it.
I am just saying that the people at the top I have always distrusted the most and I assumed most people did. Isn't heavy handed used to describe when something is used in an overly obvious and in your face way?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 23, 2020 1:21:40 GMT
Then why trust them with the Patriot Act, which is referenced seemingly randomly? People were surprised at the cover up of pedophilia in the Catholic Church, which is also referenced seemingly randomly. All of the characters are surprised to find that the FBI would use a mob boss as an informant. How obvious or groundbreaking the point is isn't really relevant to there being a point. Scorsese shows and the characters comment on that State House repeatedly, and at the end a rat is positioned directly in front of it. Do you think that's an accident? I didn't say it was and I don't have a problem with it.
I am just saying that the people at the top I have always distrusted the most and I assumed most people did. Isn't heavy handed used to describe when something is used in an overly obvious and in your face way?
Yeah, but how heavy handed is it if most people don't even get it? They mostly see the rat and go "oh, it's a movie about rats so there's a literal rat! HA" and don't notice the building, or even know what the building is. If someone does get it and finds it heavy handed anyway, that's perfectly fine. I'm only disputing whether or not it was symbolic.
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Post by gw on Jan 23, 2020 3:28:21 GMT
I enjoyed the movie, but The Tragedy of Man has many moments of heavy symbolism. The most obvious of which is probably the stone carriers turning into the stone blocks of the pyramids as they reach their last step.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Jan 23, 2020 3:42:59 GMT
The Fountain (2006)
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 23, 2020 13:02:34 GMT
I didn't pick up on that either, but I always saw it as a visual gag as well. The State House is a symbol throughout for Colin's desire to escape his crooked life, and at the end with the rat crawling and even pausing right in front of it, it's echoing the theme that everyone is crooked, even at the top. Again though, that was the theme of the entire film. To give shape to the theme in the final shot seems a little too film-school for someone of Scorsese's caliber.
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