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Post by vegalyra on Jan 23, 2020 14:37:49 GMT
Not a film most people know in the USA, but in an American Hippie in Israel, an unmanned tractor rolls over flowers. A lot of the movie uses heavy handed symbolism like unnamed assailants killing hippies and a dream sequence where the main protagonist hits some reel to reel computers with an oversized sledge hammer.   |
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Post by koskiewicz on Jan 23, 2020 17:40:11 GMT
The entire film, "The Seventh Seal" is filled with symbolism.
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Post by bravomailer on Jan 23, 2020 17:51:23 GMT
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Post by bravomailer on Jan 23, 2020 17:53:01 GMT
The Omega Man (1971)  Clint takes on that pose at the end of Gran Torino .
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 23, 2020 18:32:56 GMT
George Lucas may as well be beating the viewer over the head with a Bible when he made "Phantom Menace", the Jesus comparisions are absurdly obvious (virgin birth, prophecy, Anakin is the chosen one)
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 23, 2020 19:53:22 GMT
George Lucas may as well be beating the viewer over the head with a Bible when he made "Phantom Menace", the Jesus comparisions are absurdly obvious (virgin birth, prophecy, Anakin is the chosen one)  False equivalency. Maybe you got beaten over the head with that bible too much: - There is no indication that Shmi Skywalker was a virgin; look up what a virgin is if you do not know. How Shi became pregnant is explained in Revenge of the Sith. - The chosen one or prophesies are a common mythology tropes that long, long predates the Jesus Christ gospel. Bringing balance to the force (by destroying the Sith) and being the saviour & redeemer/king of Jews are very different things btw. - I seem not to remember the passages in the bible where Jesus Christ betrays those he swore to protect and massacres them, including his wife and children?
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Post by bravomailer on Jan 23, 2020 20:00:57 GMT
Cool Hand Luke is filled with Christian symbolism but perhaps not heavy-handed ones.
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Post by bravomailer on Jan 23, 2020 20:06:57 GMT
Alexander Nevsky The crosses on the German bishop's miter convey a little Stalinist propaganda. Just a little!  |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 23, 2020 20:10:15 GMT
George Lucas may as well be beating the viewer over the head with a Bible when he made "Phantom Menace", the Jesus comparisions are absurdly obvious (virgin birth, prophecy, Anakin is the chosen one) False equivalency. Maybe you got beaten over the head with that bible too much: - There is no indication that Shmi Skywalker was a virgin; look up what a virgin is if you do not know. How Shi became pregnant is explained in Revenge of the Sith.
Please refresh my memory...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 20:12:24 GMT
Cool Hand Luke is filled with Christian symbolism but perhaps not heavy-handed ones. Joker, Spiderman 2 and Cool Hand Luke all made use of a main character being carried in a Jesus like manner. Cool Hand Luke was probably the cleverest about it. Spiderman 2 walked a fine line in the train scene.
Joker was probably the most heavy handed about it, not that I'm complaining.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 23, 2020 20:24:14 GMT
George Lucas may as well be beating the viewer over the head with a Bible when he made "Phantom Menace", the Jesus comparisions are absurdly obvious (virgin birth, prophecy, Anakin is the chosen one) - The chosen one or prophesies are a common mythology tropes that long, long predates the Jesus Christ gospel. Were any of those proto-Jesus Christs carpenters as well? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 20:24:28 GMT
George Lucas may as well be beating the viewer over the head with a Bible when he made "Phantom Menace", the Jesus comparisions are absurdly obvious (virgin birth, prophecy, Anakin is the chosen one) False equivalency. Maybe you got beaten over the head with that bible too much: - There is no indication that Shmi Skywalker was a virgin; look up what a virgin is if you do not know. How Shi became pregnant is explained in Revenge of the Sith.- The chosen one or prophesies are a common mythology tropes that long, long predates the Jesus Christ gospel. Bringing balance to the force (by destroying the Sith) and being the saviour & redeemer/king of Jews are very different things btw. - I seem not to remember the passages in the bible where Jesus Christ betrays those he swore to protect and massacres them, including his wife and children? I missed that part then. I didn't even know his mother's name was Shmi.
No I didn't think she was a virgin because they explicitly stated it, but I thought the pieces of no visible father + powerful wonder child with overtones of chosen one were enough to imply the Jesus metaphor. I thought it was out there for us to make up our own minds.
I actually find it a little disappointing. I liked the Jesus/child of destiny metaphor.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 23, 2020 20:30:21 GMT
False equivalency. Maybe you got beaten over the head with that bible too much: - There is no indication that Shmi Skywalker was a virgin; look up what a virgin is if you do not know. How Shi became pregnant is explained in Revenge of the Sith.
Please refresh my memory...
Qui-Gon Jinn in Ep I ( vis-a-vis the Jedi council): A boy. ….It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians. Plapatine (in Ep III): (sitting before a gigantic plasma field looking like a ovum with sperm floating within)
Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life
(looks meaningful at Anakin).virgin : noun - a person who has never had sexual intercourse.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 23, 2020 20:47:56 GMT
Please refresh my memory...
Qui-Gon Jinn in Ep I ( vis-a-vis the Jedi council): A boy. ….It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians. Plapatine (in Ep III): (sitting before a gigantic plasma field looking like a ovum with sperm floating within)
Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life
(looks meaningful at Anakin).virgin : noun - a person who has never had sexual intercourse.
Thanks.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 23, 2020 20:48:07 GMT
Please refresh my memory...
Qui-Gon Jinn in Ep I ( vis-a-vis the Jedi council): A boy. ….It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians. Plapatine (in Ep III): (sitting before a gigantic plasma field looking like a ovum with sperm floating within)
Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life
(looks meaningful at Anakin).virgin : noun - a person who has never had sexual intercourse. You're really hammering in she wasn't a virgin. You know something about her and Watto we don't? 🤔 |
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Post by jcush on Jan 23, 2020 20:57:18 GMT
Qui-Gon Jinn in Ep I ( vis-a-vis the Jedi council): A boy. ….It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians. Plapatine (in Ep III): (sitting before a gigantic plasma field looking like a ovum with sperm floating within)
Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life
(looks meaningful at Anakin).virgin : noun - a person who has never had sexual intercourse. You're really hammering in she wasn't a virgin. You know something about her and Watto we don't? 🤔 Wait, isn't Watto Anakin's father?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 23, 2020 21:02:07 GMT
George Lucas may as well be beating the viewer over the head with a Bible when he made "Phantom Menace", the Jesus comparisions are absurdly obvious (virgin birth, prophecy, Anakin is the chosen one) False equivalency. Maybe you got beaten over the head with that bible too much: - There is no indication that Shmi Skywalker was a virgin; look up what a virgin is if you do not know. How Shi became pregnant is explained in Revenge of the Sith. - The chosen one or prophesies are a common mythology tropes that long, long predates the Jesus Christ gospel. Bringing balance to the force (by destroying the Sith) and being the saviour & redeemer/king of Jews are very different things btw. - I seem not to remember the passages in the bible where Jesus Christ betrays those he swore to protect and massacres them, including his wife and children? "- There is no indication that Shmi Skywalker was a virgin" Mispoke, I meant sexless conception "- The chosen one or prophesies are a common mythology tropes that long, long predates the Jesus Christ gospel. Bringing balance to the force (by destroying the Sith) and being the saviour & redeemer/king of Jews are very different things btw." So what? They may be common tropes, but if were gonna throw in the sexless/immaculate conception, it's kinda obvious where it was specifically insipired from. "- I seem not to remember the passages in the bible where Jesus Christ betrays those he swore to protect and massacres them, including his wife and children?" Did I say the story of Anakin was completely analagous to Jesus? I don't remember stating that, you're Strawmanning me. The point is, the whole "chosen one was that was born from sexless/supernatural birth" has a very obvious source material.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 21:15:18 GMT
Please refresh my memory...
Qui-Gon Jinn in Ep I ( vis-a-vis the Jedi council): A boy. ….It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians. Plapatine (in Ep III): (sitting before a gigantic plasma field looking like a ovum with sperm floating within)
Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life
(looks meaningful at Anakin).virgin : noun - a person who has never had sexual intercourse. That's it? All that shows is Anakin's mother could have been impregnated through some way other than sex. She may or may not be a virgin but I saw no indication Anakin was conceived the old fashioned way. That clip directly contradicts that notion by suggesting the other dude is so powerful he could will somebody into pregnancy with the force.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 23, 2020 21:26:58 GMT
Honest trailers said the Death Star attack in the 1977 film was obviously Freudian.
"Can we pull out in time?"
"Let's blow this thing and go home."
etc.
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Post by petrolino on Jan 25, 2020 5:24:58 GMT
The tree shaking in 'The Virgin Spring'.
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