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Post by Skaathar on Feb 10, 2020 17:54:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 18:19:29 GMT
That'd be neat, I'm open.
The X-Men franchise limped right out of the gate with Anna Paquin as Rogue, in my opinion. I would appreciate casting somebody who looks and acts like the character from the source material. Not for my own benefit because Rogue's a tall drink of water, but that is the point.
Part of her tragedy is she's an attractive, sensual, affectionate outgoing person who can't touch. It's the ultimate drawback for her personality.
If it goes down like it did in that one episode of X-Men the animated series, it doesn't bode well for Captain Marvel. The character, not the film.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 10, 2020 18:43:46 GMT
I'd hate it, but the MRAs who think Captain Marvel is overpowered would love nothing better than to see her lose her powers. The laziest storytelling trope in superhero stories is having the hero lose their powers. "I don't know how to make this character interesting, guess I'll take away their powers."
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Post by politicidal on Feb 10, 2020 19:10:21 GMT
Well I wouldn’t have guessed that.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 10, 2020 19:29:47 GMT
I'd hate it, but the MRAs who think Captain Marvel is overpowered would love nothing better than to see her lose her powers. The laziest storytelling trope in superhero stories is having the hero lose their powers. "I don't know how to make this character interesting, guess I'll take away their powers." Out of curiosity, what's an MRA?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 10, 2020 19:37:16 GMT
I'd hate it, but the MRAs who think Captain Marvel is overpowered would love nothing better than to see her lose her powers. The laziest storytelling trope in superhero stories is having the hero lose their powers. "I don't know how to make this character interesting, guess I'll take away their powers." Out of curiosity, what's an MRA? Mens Rights Activist. It's a real thing, but in the context of the internet it's become a code word for chauvinist douchebag. I'm being sarcastic in my usage of the term, I'm just tired of 'superhero loses their powers' storylines.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 10, 2020 19:42:56 GMT
Out of curiosity, what's an MRA? Mens Rights Activist. It's a real thing, but in the context of the internet it's become a code word for chauvinist douchebag. I'm being sarcastic in my usage of the term, I'm just tired of 'superhero loses their powers' storylines. Ah, got it. I have to agree with the "superhero loses their powers" storylines. It's one of my top 3 most hated superhero storyline cliches. The other two being "superhero fights his/her doppleganger" and "superhero gets mindf#cked so they end up behaving in a villainous way".
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 10, 2020 22:39:55 GMT
That'd be neat, I'm open.
The X-Men franchise limped right out of the gate with Anna Paquin as Rogue, in my opinion. I would appreciate casting somebody who looks and acts like the character from the source material. Not for my own benefit because Rogue's a tall drink of water, but that is the point.
Part of her tragedy is she's an attractive, sensual, affectionate outgoing person who can't touch. It's the ultimate drawback for her personality.
If it goes down like it did in that one episode of X-Men the animated series, it doesn't bode well for Captain Marvel. The character, not the film.
She doesn't really have to start out that way. She does collect personalities.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 23:01:55 GMT
That'd be neat, I'm open.
The X-Men franchise limped right out of the gate with Anna Paquin as Rogue, in my opinion. I would appreciate casting somebody who looks and acts like the character from the source material. Not for my own benefit because Rogue's a tall drink of water, but that is the point.
Part of her tragedy is she's an attractive, sensual, affectionate outgoing person who can't touch. It's the ultimate drawback for her personality.
If it goes down like it did in that one episode of X-Men the animated series, it doesn't bode well for Captain Marvel. The character, not the film.
She doesn't really have to start out that way. She does collect personalities. Just a (rip roaring) preference on my part, but you're absolutely right.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 10, 2020 23:20:35 GMT
I'd hate it, but the MRAs who think Captain Marvel is overpowered would love nothing better than to see her lose her powers. The laziest storytelling trope in superhero stories is having the hero lose their powers. "I don't know how to make this character interesting, guess I'll take away their powers." I think they should lower her power level. Not take them away. Make her just above Hulk and Thor. It looks awesome, but don't make her so tough that she can fly through a spaceship like it's wet paper. I say if they do the Avengers Annual story, they should half her power over to Rogue so neither is that strong.
This movie should have her in a coma through out the 2nd act. Do like a Venom thing with Carol fighting Rogue in her mind. Do something like a cross between the Xavier/Apocalypse fight and when Carol talks to the Supreme Intelligence. For this we'd need a good actress that can switch between Carol and Anna Marie to show when Carol takes over. Or they can just have Carol be around and only Rogue can see her. Like a ghost that can take over sometimes. That way she's on set and not just in a green screen room talking to Rogue. Make the actual villain Mystique and the Brotherhood. Make the conflict be that Rogue doesn't want to go against Mystique so Carol has to change her to being good so she can join the X-men...
But at the same time, doing that means that the Carol in a coma will not know that she turned Rogue. Because it's just a personality fragment in Rogue's head. Not a telepathic link.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 10, 2020 23:24:15 GMT
She doesn't really have to start out that way. She does collect personalities. Just a (rip roaring) preference on my part, but you're absolutely right. I was thinking that would be a good way for them to have changed Fox Rogue closer to the comics version. I mean she did hold on to Magneto for a long time. And he was full of sass. They could have turned her into the Age of Apocalypse version (the one with Polaris's powers). All they did was give her Logan's personality off screen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 6:12:22 GMT
Just a (rip roaring) preference on my part, but you're absolutely right. I was thinking that would be a good way for them to have changed Fox Rogue closer to the comics version. I mean she did hold on to Magneto for a long time. And he was full of sass. They could have turned her into the Age of Apocalypse version (the one with Polaris's powers). All they did was give her Logan's personality off screen. I wonder if they're going to bring Mystique back in. They said they were avoiding Magneto because of burnout, and Mystique was a pretty important character in the X-Men movies, more than I remember from the series (and she wasn't exactly unimportant then either).
There's potential.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 11, 2020 16:46:08 GMT
So... who do you guys want to see cast as Rogue? Pictures will be highly appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 18:20:21 GMT
Not a fan of this possibility. Captain Marvel 2 should be a cosmic movie about the Kree and the Skrulls.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 12, 2020 21:15:21 GMT
Not a fan of this possibility. Captain Marvel 2 should be a cosmic movie about the Kree and the Skrulls. Didn't we... already get that? That's basically like putting the Brotherhood in all the X-men movies. All they did was introduce a secondary villain.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 12, 2020 21:20:01 GMT
I was thinking that would be a good way for them to have changed Fox Rogue closer to the comics version. I mean she did hold on to Magneto for a long time. And he was full of sass. They could have turned her into the Age of Apocalypse version (the one with Polaris's powers). All they did was give her Logan's personality off screen. I wonder if they're going to bring Mystique back in. They said they were avoiding Magneto because of burnout, and Mystique was a pretty important character in the X-Men movies, more than I remember from the series (and she wasn't exactly unimportant then either).
There's potential.
The easiest way to make a tough villain into a troubled hero is to have them being influenced by someone else. They like to stick close to the comics and bringing in Mystique is the easiest way to do that. Only thing is that they have to not Loki/Magneto... /Mystique her. Make her a semi one-off villain. Don't keep bringing her back every movie as a main character for every X-men movie. "Surprise" returning villains are a good thing.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 12, 2020 22:06:04 GMT
I wonder if they're going to bring Mystique back in. They said they were avoiding Magneto because of burnout, and Mystique was a pretty important character in the X-Men movies, more than I remember from the series (and she wasn't exactly unimportant then either).
There's potential.
The easiest way to make a tough villain into a troubled hero is to have them being influenced by someone else. They like to stick close to the comics and bringing in Mystique is the easiest way to do that. Only thing is that they have to not Loki/Magneto... /Mystique her. Make her a semi one-off villain. Don't keep bringing her back every movie as a main character for every X-men movie. "Surprise" returning villains are a good thing. I wouldn't even mind if they used her and never showed her Blue form. Have her as a character. Cast with a good, middle aged, character actress that stays in human form.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 13, 2020 19:35:35 GMT
The easiest way to make a tough villain into a troubled hero is to have them being influenced by someone else. They like to stick close to the comics and bringing in Mystique is the easiest way to do that. Only thing is that they have to not Loki/Magneto... /Mystique her. Make her a semi one-off villain. Don't keep bringing her back every movie as a main character for every X-men movie. "Surprise" returning villains are a good thing. I wouldn't even mind if they used her and never showed her Blue form. Have her as a character. Cast with a good, middle aged, character actress that stays in human form. I rather she had more than one human form (ones she made up and not just copies) and a "main" actress for Mystique. Like don't have her keep changing to regular Jennifer Lawrence because that's who's under the blue make-up. Also, have her wearing clothes. Her "clothes" is just her skin like when she turns into other people (man that made no sense for them to do that).
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 13, 2020 19:42:58 GMT
I wouldn't even mind if they used her and never showed her Blue form. Have her as a character. Cast with a good, middle aged, character actress that stays in human form. I rather she had more than one human form (ones she made up and not just copies) and a "main" actress for Mystique. Like don't have her keep changing to regular Jennifer Lawrence because that's who's under the blue make-up. Also, have her wearing clothes. Her "clothes" is just her skin like when she turns into other people (man that made no sense for them to do that). I'd rather they just not include Mystique in the first place. There are plenty of X-Men characters far more interesting than Mystique.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 13, 2020 22:12:07 GMT
I rather she had more than one human form (ones she made up and not just copies) and a "main" actress for Mystique. Like don't have her keep changing to regular Jennifer Lawrence because that's who's under the blue make-up. Also, have her wearing clothes. Her "clothes" is just her skin like when she turns into other people (man that made no sense for them to do that). I'd rather they just not include Mystique in the first place. There are plenty of X-Men characters far more interesting than Mystique. Well, if you're adapting Avengers Annual #10 and you have the main characters to do so... You use them. And the comics version of Mystique is far more interesting than the one they used in the movies.
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