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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Feb 12, 2020 8:58:24 GMT
Was there ever actually any established canon before the prequels came out, about what the Clone Wars was? I know the whole notion that Darth Vader fought Obi-Wan on a volcano and fell in was always canon before the prequels because it was in a novelization and Lucas confirmed it in an interview. But I just don't see what Lucas came up with for the prequels is what he had in mind about Clone Wars when he wrote the first Star Wars. This is a series about space Nazis and space Wizards and a plucky hero and a space pirate, and Lucas starts the Phantom Menace about trades routes? And that's just an extension of how confusing the Clone Wars is. It's unclear what the objective of either side is and what exactly they're fighting for, particularly the Separatists and the droids. The Clone Wars series definitely does a better job of explaining it, but it's an auxiliary material that shouldn't have to be watched to understand the main series. I feel like there's a better explanation of what the Clone Wars was than what we got in the prequels.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 12, 2020 12:26:02 GMT
Was there ever actually any established canon before the prequels came out, about what the Clone Wars was? nope, but there was a lot of lowbrow fiction, down to some female cloners rising against the Empire. there is no indication he had anything concrete except to provide a backstory conflict. Or he had talked about it. the starting of conflict and wars based on taxation is a common theme in history and fiction, see Robin Hood or the history your own country. If you actually watch the movie, you would find that the trade dispute only serves as a background pretext for the main conflict: namely military INVASION of a free system by business organizations (like with trade federations or the Hanseatic league, or Tibet etc) which again serves as a scheme for Palpatine using the corruption and unrest within the Republic to become chancellor. as before, watching the movie helps. It is not that difficult to figure out. Btw, the movies are not about the clone wars (that would be the show) but about the corruption and downfall of liberty and the rise of dictatorship. The clone war essentially happens between Ep II and III. Funny did you not just complain the other way? The objectives are explained in the movies via text and dialogue. They are Separatists (nomen est omen!) wishing to break away (=separate) from the Republic and are lead by count Dooku. The political motivations for separation (corruption, taxation/trade, autonomy, Sith infiltration) are not really relevant but are explained by Dooku, Palpatine, the commercial guilds and other places in the movies. Counter question: the OT is about the "galactic civil war": could you indicate the objectives and goals based on the movie dialogue without just stating "cause they are evil"; and why don't you have a problem with that?
Good then that one does not need the show to understand the movies. Just ask some thinking fans who have never watched the show. Again, this is not the point of the movies. And: Possibly, pity nobody during 4 decades ever came up with something. I guess Lucas will do fine. 
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 12, 2020 21:32:56 GMT
Was there ever actually any established canon before the prequels came out, about what the Clone Wars was? I know the whole notion that Darth Vader fought Obi-Wan on a volcano and fell in was always canon before the prequels because it was in a novelization and Lucas confirmed it in an interview. But I just don't see what Lucas came up with for the prequels is what he had in mind about Clone Wars when he wrote the first Star Wars. This is a series about space Nazis and space Wizards and a plucky hero and a space pirate, and Lucas starts the Phantom Menace about trades routes? And that's just an extension of how confusing the Clone Wars is. It's unclear what the objective of either side is and what exactly they're fighting for, particularly the Separatists and the droids. The Clone Wars series definitely does a better job of explaining it, but it's an auxiliary material that shouldn't have to be watched to understand the main series. I feel like there's a better explanation of what the Clone Wars was than what we got in the prequels. All I know is that George Lucas had the the name 'Mace Windu' floating around in his early concepts for the story.
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