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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 27, 2020 18:32:51 GMT
This isn't entirely accurate. One episode in season 7 had an entire plot where Seven displayed interest in Chakotay; albeit expressing that in the most Seven way possible, by running a simulation of how that could play out, rather than actually ask Chakotay out himself. Then in the series finale, we find out that at some point between that earlier episode and the finale, Seven and Chakotay had started seeing each other, though they were initially keeping things quiet and taking it slow. However during the glimpse of the future, we learn that they eventually got married; with Janeway saying that when Seven was injured, she made it back to Voyager, only to die in the arms of her husband, Chakotay. Janeway remarks how Chakotay was never quite the same after that. When she visited Chakotay's grave, she comments about hard it was for him to live the rest of his life without "her" and that this is one of the things Janeway is hoping to make right by going back and getting Voyager home sooner. So while they might not have reached the point in the development of their relationship on screen, they did give us the beginning and the end of it; with all the implications of what ostensibly came in between. But of course, this is now the darkest timeline, so naturally they have to shit on anyone living happily ever after... Season 7 ?? I was only talking about Picard. Not any other Star Trek show/series. You couldn't have, seeing as Chakotay was not in Picard at all. - Seven and Chakotay spent a lot of time together. But no hint at sex and romance.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 27, 2020 18:40:49 GMT
Season 7 ?? I was only talking about Picard. Not any other Star Trek show/series. You couldn't have, seeing as Chakotay was not in Picard at all. - Seven and Chakotay spent a lot of time together. But no hint at sex and romance.I guess I don't know who Chakotay is. I thought it was that ninja guy Picard adopted. Who is Chakotay?
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 27, 2020 18:44:46 GMT
You couldn't have, seeing as Chakotay was not in Picard at all. I guess I don't know who Chakotay is. I thought it was that ninja guy Picard adopted. Who is Chakotay? Chakotay was the first officer on Voyager. You're think of Elnor; which, honestly, the only way I'm able to remember that is that it's just short of him being called Eleanor. I'm actually surprised I've managed to learn any of the main characters names; a season and a half into Discovery and I still couldn't tell you who half the characters were or virtually anything about them...
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 27, 2020 18:46:40 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Mar 27, 2020 18:57:32 GMT
I guess I don't know who Chakotay is. I thought it was that ninja guy Picard adopted. Who is Chakotay? Chakotay was the first officer on Voyager. You're think of Elnor; which, honestly, the only way I'm able to remember that is that it's just short of him being called Eleanor. I'm actually surprised I've managed to learn any of the main characters names; a season and a half into Discovery and I still couldn't tell you who half the characters were or virtually anything about them... And Chakotay appeared on Picard ??
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 27, 2020 19:06:53 GMT
Chakotay was the first officer on Voyager. You're think of Elnor; which, honestly, the only way I'm able to remember that is that it's just short of him being called Eleanor. I'm actually surprised I've managed to learn any of the main characters names; a season and a half into Discovery and I still couldn't tell you who half the characters were or virtually anything about them... And Chakotay appeared on Picard ?? No, not at all. But at the end of Voyager Chakotay and Seven started a relationship; which was strongly hinted at being an enduring one, seeing as how Captain (now Admiral) Janeway came back from the future to help Voyager return to Earth sooner. She related how Chakotay and Seven had eventually gotten married in her timeline, before Seven's untimely death during an away mission; which was one of the things Janeway was hoping to change by going back in time. Now here in Picard, we get a mention of Icheb, one of the other charaters from Voyager who interacted with Seven regularly, but nothing about Chakotay or what happened to their relationship in the 20 or so years since. Given his background as a member of the Maquis, it would have made sense for him to have joined the Fenris Rangers with Seven; maybe even be the reason she joined, yet they don't address it at all.
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Post by kleinreturns on Mar 27, 2020 19:45:38 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Mar 27, 2020 20:18:41 GMT
Data's death made no sense at all. If they can give Picard (an organic) a new body, why not Data (a synth). Data said dying made him more human. Most humans don't want to die. Especially if they can remain young. This seems like another attempt to attract female viewers. Women like to cry.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 27, 2020 21:05:31 GMT
This seems like another attempt to attract female viewers. Women like to cry. Just stop. Knock it off with that stupid bullshit.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 27, 2020 21:15:24 GMT
This seems like another attempt to attract female viewers. Women like to cry. Just stop. Knock it off with that stupid bullshit. Hey, that's my opinion. I have the right to my opinion. It's also a continual complaint of mine about society in general. I have a right to complain about things that aggravate me.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 27, 2020 21:22:23 GMT
Just stop. Knock it off with that stupid bullshit. Hey, that's my opinion. I have the right to my opinion. It's also a continual complaint of mine about society in general. I have a right to complain about things that aggravate me. Do it somewhere else.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 27, 2020 21:23:33 GMT
Hey, that's my opinion. I have the right to my opinion. It's also a continual complaint of mine about society in general. I have a right to complain about things that aggravate me. Do it somewhere else. No.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 27, 2020 21:35:07 GMT
I knew there had to be a reason I had you blocked previously; should have known better than to unblock you. Call us when you've joined the rest of us in the 21st century.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 27, 2020 21:54:32 GMT
I knew there had to be a reason I had you blocked previously; should have known better than to unblock you. Call us when you've joined the rest of us in the 21st century. So you discriminate against those with different opinions than you. That's not very 21rst Century of you. Not very 1rst Ammendment either. Tsk, tsk, tsk . . .
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Post by dazz on Mar 27, 2020 22:28:17 GMT
I knew there had to be a reason I had you blocked previously; should have known better than to unblock you. Call us when you've joined the rest of us in the 21st century. So you discriminate against those with different opinions than you. That's not very 21rst Century of you. Not very 1rst Ammendment either. Tsk, tsk, tsk . . . What world do you live in, that's very 21st century to discriminate based on differing opinions, also you have the right to speak your mind, others have the right to respond to that in any way they see fit so long as such a response does not include an illegal act so he can block you all he wants if he feels you are being an ignorant twit, which you are.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 27, 2020 22:31:42 GMT
So you discriminate against those with different opinions than you. That's not very 21rst Century of you. Not very 1rst Ammendment either. Tsk, tsk, tsk . . . What world do you live in, that's very 21st century to discriminate based on differing opinions, also you have the right to speak your mind, others have the right to respond to that in any way they see fit so long as such a response does not include an illegal act so he can block you all he wants if he feels you are being an ignorant twit, which you are.
Nope. He doesn't have to agree with me. But he should be tolerant of other opinions. Blocking me is not tolerance.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 28, 2020 6:41:17 GMT
What world do you live in, that's very 21st century to discriminate based on differing opinions, also you have the right to speak your mind, others have the right to respond to that in any way they see fit so long as such a response does not include an illegal act so he can block you all he wants if he feels you are being an ignorant twit, which you are.
Nope. He doesn't have to agree with me. But he should be tolerant of other opinions. Blocking me is not tolerance. Let's be clear about one thing, tolerance is not a blanket acceptance of all things; it is not a celebration that all opinions are equal and it is least of all acceptance of intolerance. That is a logical fallacy. Tolerance is not an absolutely, all or nothing concept. People have varying tolerances for physical sensation or food tolerances. There can absolutely be a limit to one's tolerance; which is exactly the point. It is the measure of the boundaries of what is acceptable or unacceptable; whether that tolerance is physical moral or social. The bare minimum to make the grade is a zero sum impact, rather than a negative impact on society. Better that one did nothing at all, than spout nonsensical garbage that would willfully drag humanity down and set us back.
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Post by dazz on Mar 28, 2020 8:27:20 GMT
What world do you live in, that's very 21st century to discriminate based on differing opinions, also you have the right to speak your mind, others have the right to respond to that in any way they see fit so long as such a response does not include an illegal act so he can block you all he wants if he feels you are being an ignorant twit, which you are.
Nope. He doesn't have to agree with me. But he should be tolerant of other opinions. Blocking me is not tolerance. Actually it is, intolerance would be Stargazer trying to report you and get you banned for having such opinions.
You get to speak your mind so long as it falls within the accepted parameters of the boards code of conduct, Stargazer has the right to block you so he doesn't have to see what you say, same as we all have the right and ability to mute or turn off the TV, Radio, tablet, computer or whatever when someone starts spouting rhetoric that you don't agree with, tolerance is in allowing someone to speak their mind, does not mean they have to listen to it.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2020 17:38:05 GMT
Nope. He doesn't have to agree with me. But he should be tolerant of other opinions. Blocking me is not tolerance. Let's be clear about one thing, tolerance is not a blanket acceptance of all things; it is not a celebration that all opinions are equal and it is least of all acceptance of intolerance. That is a logical fallacy. Tolerance is not an absolutely, all or nothing concept. People have varying tolerances for physical sensation or food tolerances. There can absolutely be a limit to one's tolerance; which is exactly the point. It is the measure of the boundaries of what is acceptable or unacceptable; whether that tolerance is physical moral or social. The bare minimum to make the grade is a zero sum impact, rather than a negative impact on society. Better that one did nothing at all, than spout nonsensical garbage that would willfully drag humanity down and set us back. I, and we talk about many more things than my views on the female impact on entertainment. Are you really that offended by my interpretation of why shows like Star Trek went from exploration to soap opera? I never said you were stupid or gay. I don't agree with every opinion you post on here. But I don't tell you to stop posting your opinion. Or threaten to block you. Reading an opinion is tolerance. Disagreeing sometimes on somethings is natural any place many people share their opinions. Telling anybody to stop posting their opinions is intolerance. Threatening to block anybody because of one opinion --- among many of their's posted --- is intolerance. Especially when you and I agree half the time. (And I have a sneaky suspicion if you could have me banned, you would.)
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2020 17:57:11 GMT
Nope. He doesn't have to agree with me. But he should be tolerant of other opinions. Blocking me is not tolerance. Actually it is, intolerance would be Stargazer trying to report you and get you banned for having such opinions.
You get to speak your mind so long as it falls within the accepted parameters of the boards code of conduct, Stargazer has the right to block you so he doesn't have to see what you say, same as we all have the right and ability to mute or turn off the TV, Radio, tablet, computer or whatever when someone starts spouting rhetoric that you don't agree with, tolerance is in allowing someone to speak their mind, does not mean they have to listen to it.
No, that's wrong. Anybody reporting me and trying to get me blocked based on anything I have done wouldn't be intolerance. It would just be stupid. Based on the forum rules. My opinions have and do fall within the parameters of the boards code of conduct. Anybody has the right to be intolerant. Blocking anybody for any reason is intolerance. Telling anybody to stop posting their opinions is intolerance. (Actually it's hypocritical when that person is freely posting their own opinions.) Turning off the TV, radio, tablet or computer just because you have the ability, is intolerance. I believe it's called "Confirmation Bias". "Free speech" is allowing someone to speak their mind. Not listening is not tolerance. Blocking them is not tolerance. (Calling them a twit just because of one opinion, is not tolerance either.) And keep this in context here. I have given my opinion on many things here. Many more than just my interpretation of the female impact on entertainment. So to block a whole poster and all their opinions just because of one opinion among many stated, is the height of intolerance. I don't agree with anybody all the time. I haven't blocked anybody. I don't agree with stargazer all the time. I never blocked him. I certainly don't agree with you calling me a twit. But I haven't blocked you. Because I'm tolerant of other opinions and disagreement.
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