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Post by hi224 on Apr 26, 2017 15:51:25 GMT
What would you say were the main reasons he was turned so predominantly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 15:54:11 GMT
He was mentally unstable (but it's also kinda reasonable that he would be).
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Post by Jedan Archer on Apr 26, 2017 16:47:08 GMT
What would you say were the main reasons he was turned so predominantly.
Lucas gave a psychological answer to that in the prequels: Ep1: the Jedi found him when he already had developed deep emotional attachments with certain people, especially his mother, in combination with a sense of responsibility and guilt (I will come back and free you, mom, I promise). Thus, the "he's too old" and the "I sense much fear in you" discussion in the Jedi council. Ep2: The Jedi won't allow for personal attachments ("shadow of greed") or to entertain personal relationships, but Anakin is unable to let go (premonitions and guilt). He breaks his vow, but is unable to save his mother. The guilt and fear of loss leads to the urge to control things, and thus the lust for power (I will stop people from dying) as well as angst, brutality (slaughtering of sandpeople and children) and resentment against authorities/Jedi. The path to the dark side is laid, the rest is painting by numbers. Ep3: He projects those fears of loss and lust for power from his mother onto his secret wife. There is a talented puppet master who knows how to play this in his favor, especially by filling the father role for Anakin (who never had one, except for Qui Gon who died too early, and Obi who was rather a brother). It ends in bloodshed again, and culminates in the downfall of institutions (Jedi) and of democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 18:53:13 GMT
What would you say were the main reasons he was turned so predominantly.
Lucas gave a psychological answer to that in the prequels: Ep1: the Jedi found him when he already had developed deep emotional attachments with certain people, especially his mother, in combination with a sense of responsibility and guilt (I will come back and free you, mom, I promise). Thus, the "he's too old" and the "I sense much fear in you" discussion in the Jedi council. Ep2: The Jedi won't allow for personal attachments ("shadow of greed") or to entertain personal relationships, but Anakin is unable to let go (premonitions and guilt). He breaks his vow, but is unable to save his mother. The guilt and fear of loss leads to the urge to control things, and thus the lust for power (I will stop people from dying) as well as angst, brutality (slaughtering of sandpeople and children) and resentment against authorities/Jedi. The path to the dark side is laid, the rest is painting by numbers. Ep3: He projects those fears of loss and lust for power from his mother onto his secret wife. There is a talented puppet master who knows how to play this in his favor, especially by filling the father role for Anakin (who never had one, except for Qui Gon who died too early, and Obi who was rather a brother). It ends in bloodshed again, and culminates in the downfall of institutions (Jedi) and of democracy.
This is more or less correct. Anakin was a messed up dude, but it's also kinda understandable. He grew up as a slave without a father for like the first 10 years of his life. Despite that, he seemed to adjust to life in a mostly decent way, but he always kinda had a chip on his shoulder. Then he finds a father figure in Qui-Gon and a calling in life (as a potential Jedi), but he loses him almost immediately. On top of that, the Jedi Council think he's ultimately going to be more trouble than he's worth (despite reluctantly deciding to let Obi-Wan train him). And on top of even that, he has the pressure of being the supposed "Chosen One" who will destroy the Sith. And then of course you have the "no attachments" bullshit, and that's just not how this kid rolls. It's not "cool," but Anakin is a psychologically damaged person who's had to deal with a bunch of bullshit. He never got the chance to develop a good sense of emotional maturity. So it kinda makes sense that he'd ultimately turn evil. Would I have preferred if he were a true tragic hero (more along the lines of Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight)? Yes. But what we got still makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 15:35:37 GMT
It went wrong when they allowed Obi-Wan to train him
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Post by medjay on May 5, 2017 13:32:24 GMT
What would you say were the main reasons he was turned so predominantly. Because Star Wars is a fairy tale.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 5, 2017 19:46:38 GMT
What would you say were the main reasons he was turned so predominantly. Because Star Wars is a fairy tale. I hope you mean this as a compliment.
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Post by medjay on May 6, 2017 7:02:06 GMT
Because Star Wars is a fairy tale. I hope you mean this as a compliment. I mean this as in it is what it is.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 6, 2017 7:43:09 GMT
I hope you mean this as a compliment. I mean this as in it is what it is. then you are definitely not well meaning, dude. The OT with some good reason can be called a fairy tale due to it's naive, simplistic black and white nature. But fairy tales typically do not sport emotionally damaged anti-heroes who slaughter children, and they do not have the evil puppet master win, pushing all into darkness, despair and downfall This is what dystopian mythology does, and that is what the PT is.
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Post by medjay on May 6, 2017 9:40:54 GMT
I mean this as in it is what it is. then you are definitely not well meaning, dude. The OT with some good reason can be called a fairy tale due to it's naive, simplistic black and white nature. But fairy tales typically do not sport emotionally damaged anti-heroes who slaughter children, and they do not have the evil puppet master win, pushing all into darkness, despair and downfall This is what dystopian mythology does, and that is what the PT is. I will totally feel awesome if do.. What? Why? I don't mean well or ill. The PT is a horribly executed mess that has some nice moments and scenes. There would be not much hope if the PT was truly dystopian.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 6, 2017 11:16:20 GMT
then you are definitely not well meaning, dude. The OT with some good reason can be called a fairy tale due to it's naive, simplistic black and white nature. But fairy tales typically do not sport emotionally damaged anti-heroes who slaughter children, and they do not have the evil puppet master win, pushing all into darkness, despair and downfall This is what dystopian mythology does, and that is what the PT is. I will totally feel awesome if do.. What? Why? I don't mean well or ill. The PT is a horribly executed mess that has some nice moments and scenes. There would be not much hope if the PT was truly dystopian.
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Post by medjay on May 6, 2017 11:57:14 GMT
I will totally feel awesome if do.. What? Why? I don't mean well or ill. The PT is a horribly executed mess that has some nice moments and scenes. There would be not much hope if the PT was truly dystopian. Welcome to the World Wide Web.
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Post by misstique on May 6, 2017 12:12:04 GMT
In my opinion, it went wrong when Qui-Gong took him away from his mother and then EVERYBODY completely forgot about her.
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Post by pete8680 on May 26, 2017 16:45:40 GMT
It went wrong when they allowed Obi-Wan to train him It went wrong when Jinn took him off Tatooine.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 26, 2017 19:54:27 GMT
It went wrong when they allowed Obi-Wan to train him It went wrong when Jinn took him off Tatooine. I'm gonna walk the line and say right in between: when Jinn was murdered. Had Qui Gon lived things would've been very different for Ani.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 10, 2017 22:32:53 GMT
This thread exists because Anakin's development from good person to douchebag occurs offscreen between TPM and AotC. Anyway, I'd say probably when he got saddled with a by-the-books Obi-Wan that wanted nothing to do with him. Qui-Gon believed in Anakin, seemed like a better teacher, and also probably would have gone back and freed his mom.
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