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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 0:30:25 GMT
I agree. Men need to learn to nurture and be nurtured by other masculine figures. Harlow's surrogate mother experiment should be enough of an example of what physical starvation can do to children.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 3, 2020 2:15:06 GMT
I agree. Men need to learn to nurture and be nurtured by other masculine figures. Harlow's surrogate mother experiment should be enough of an example of what physical starvation can do to children. Yes! Boys and young men need this and the only place where they can get it is from another (older) man. I'm glad somebody understands this and thank you for backing me up. |
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Post by autumn on May 3, 2020 2:38:09 GMT
I agree. Men need to learn to nurture and be nurtured by other masculine figures. Harlow's surrogate mother experiment should be enough of an example of what physical starvation can do to children. That's heartbreaking, isn't it? It actually goes to show just how important physical affection really is to mental development, as well as how vital eye contact is between child and parent.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 4, 2020 9:40:53 GMT
Yes, I agree with this. I was just watching the movie "Disturbia" with Shia LeBouf had and the opening scene had him fishing with his dad and it showed the dad standing behind the son for the purpose of guiding him and showing him the way and it was actually a very touching scene and it was kinda like the dad was in a way holding his son. I'm glad you agree with the basic ness about it all. You have commented on this film before Mr. Dirty. I may need to see it. LeBouf comes across as having an undercurrent of emotional pain, as though he is internally tortured\conflicted, but from what I have seen of him too, especially at the recent Oscars, he comes across as having a pronounced compassionate streak in him too. Plus he ain't ugly either.
Father\son bonding is one of the most crucial elements of this relationship and like you have commented, it consolidates the boy into the man he is going to become. It is very important for a male child to have a positive male role model in his life, and that is why females need to be very careful who they choose to father their children. They also need to understand how important it is for boys to have this male interaction. Lesbians should not be raising boys either as far as I'm concerned, especially if they are man-haters. [br Yeah, there is something very appealing about Shia Lebeouf besides the fact that he is so cute (and he is!) I don't remember where I read this, but it seems to me that I did read somewhere that there was some conflict with his dad. If you watch the movie "Honeyboy", which lebeouf wrote, it makes it seem like SB was exorcising some personal demons. I didn't really like the movie, but it did make Shia seem like he was a sad, sensitive type. He's very huggable. |
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Post by dirtypillows on May 4, 2020 9:44:33 GMT
I do agree with all except the last sentence, because as long as there are children in state run homes without ANY set of parents available to them, I would always prefer they get placed into a family like unit, be it a single mother, two women, two men, whoever. I am a big believer that whatever sex parent can bring up whatever sex child well, as long as they realize the kid benefits from having regular close contact with the opposite sex as well and includes such people in their lives. Aunts, grandfathers, or even a close family friend counts. So I would hope that gays/lesbians realize that and do just that and from what I have seen in my friends from the LGBTQA+  community they do. Needless to say, hateful people shouldn't be bringing up anybody  Yes, it is nice for kids to find a loving family, but it does have to be appropriate for them. As the subject of this post is about sons and fathers, lesbians don't really fit that bill in that respect.
Stats would also show, many of societies misfit males would be due to broken homes, solo mothering upbringing and having no decent male role model around.
2 males bringing up either gender, would also be a different dynamic compared to 2 women. Gay male couples would more than very likely have a lot of female company and the boy child would get a double dose of male role models.... 
Hateful people, perhaps shouldn't be having kids pronto, but one can't possibly control this aspect of human nature.
A boy having two loving and stable (don't forget stable!) lesbian mothers is better than having a mean, abusive dad for sure. But the boy is not going to learn about what it is to be a man from a woman. It can't be any other way. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 18:16:14 GMT
Yes, it is nice for kids to find a loving family, but it does have to be appropriate for them. As the subject of this post is about sons and fathers, lesbians don't really fit that bill in that respect.
Stats would also show, many of societies misfit males would be due to broken homes, solo mothering upbringing and having no decent male role model around.
2 males bringing up either gender, would also be a different dynamic compared to 2 women. Gay male couples would more than very likely have a lot of female company and the boy child would get a double dose of male role models....
Hateful people, perhaps shouldn't be having kids pronto, but one can't possibly control this aspect of human nature.
I agree. Nobody fucks up a boy like his mother. Many of the worst serial killers had domineering mothers and no father figure. It's a recipe for disaster.
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Post by kls on May 4, 2020 18:23:17 GMT
My father is a great man but I don't ever remember having talks with him or moving around a lot with him in public. In fact I don't even remember ever having a one on one conversation with my father. I would tell all my problems to my mom and be closer to her and will remain so for as long as I and she live. My sister though was always close to my father. I think it would be the same if I ever have a son. I am not going to carry him around or hold him. That said, one should not get an idea that I am on bad terms with my father. Nah, he is a great man and I have always been cool with him. Just not very interactive with him. was mentioning somewhere that she was a lot closer to her father than to her mother in her younger days. Is it a thing? That sons are closer to mothers and daughters closer to fathers? or just a generalisation? Definitely not true with me. I'm a lot closer to my mother and my sisters and I clearly favor her. By an extreme amount.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 5, 2020 4:02:10 GMT
Yes, it is nice for kids to find a loving family, but it does have to be appropriate for them. As the subject of this post is about sons and fathers, lesbians don't really fit that bill in that respect.
Stats would also show, many of societies misfit males would be due to broken homes, solo mothering upbringing and having no decent male role model around.
2 males bringing up either gender, would also be a different dynamic compared to 2 women. Gay male couples would more than very likely have a lot of female company and the boy child would get a double dose of male role models....
Hateful people, perhaps shouldn't be having kids pronto, but one can't possibly control this aspect of human nature.
I agree. Nobody fucks up a boy like his mother. Many of the worst serial killers had domineering mothers and no father figure. It's a recipe for disaster. Yes, if the mom isn't getting what she wants out of the marriage and she's not tough enough to see it through, it is likely that she is going to project her own unrealistic/ idealistic notions onto her son. She will see her young male child as her knight in shining armor and potentially ruin him for any normal relationships he might have had later in life. If he's lucky, he'll turn out to be homosexual and won't have to deal much with the female psyche. If he's unlucky and turns out to be heterosexual,then everybody loses. |
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Post by dirtypillows on May 6, 2020 1:40:17 GMT
Yes, if the mom isn't getting what she wants out of the marriage and she's not tough enough to see it through, it is likely that she is going to project her own unrealistic/ idealistic notions onto her son. She will see her young male child as her knight in shining armor and potentially ruin him for any normal relationships he might have had later in life. If he's lucky, he'll turn out to be homosexual and won't have to deal much with the female psyche. If he's unlucky and turns out to be heterosexual,then everybody loses. There have been infamous serial killers that were homosexual, as in Gacy and Dahmer, so not sure if the sexuality of the boy is relevant when dealing with an entitled and controlling female psyche from the mother. Poor or absent fathering will create distrust in the midst of other males. There really is no definitive recipe, only that I see it as the child must be wanted and nurtured without any form of prejudice from both parents. If they are not up to the task or screwed up themselves, children should really not be on the cards. I wasn't necessarily talking about the extreme cases like serial killers. I was more talking about how boys who have controlling, neurotic manhaters for mothers are more fortunate if they're gay as they won't have to deal with women in their intimate relationships. If they end up being attracted to women, then woe is them as there's more likely going to be hostility and vitriol rearing its ugly head. These men are a lot less likely going to respect women as a result of having the castrating bitch for a mom. And, doubly unfortunate, they're more likely to keep repeating the pattern and seek out these kind of women. |
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Post by poelzig on May 6, 2020 3:40:02 GMT
wonderful show called What We Do In The Shadow. I highly recommend it. Very smart and funny show. About vampires living in the modern world. I've seen the original and liked it, the movie. But the series is on Prime, right? I don't have Prime. Can't wait until I can see it. It's on FX not Prime.
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Post by poelzig on May 6, 2020 4:07:37 GMT
Yes, it is nice for kids to find a loving family, but it does have to be appropriate for them. As the subject of this post is about sons and fathers, lesbians don't really fit that bill in that respect.
Stats would also show, many of societies misfit males would be due to broken homes, solo mothering upbringing and having no decent male role model around.
2 males bringing up either gender, would also be a different dynamic compared to 2 women. Gay male couples would more than very likely have a lot of female company and the boy child would get a double dose of male role models....
Hateful people, perhaps shouldn't be having kids pronto, but one can't possibly control this aspect of human nature.
I agree. Nobody fucks up a boy like his mother. Many of the worst serial killers had domineering mothers and no father figure. It's a recipe for disaster. That's probably why Henry Lee Lucas killed his mother. Sadly it was too late as the damage had been done.
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Post by Nora on May 6, 2020 16:10:36 GMT
wonderful show called What We Do In The Shadow. I highly recommend it. Very smart and funny show. About vampires living in the modern world. I've seen the original and liked it, the movie. But the series is on Prime, right? I don't have Prime. Can't wait until I can see it. I watch it on Hulu.
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community they do. 
