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Post by hi224 on Jul 26, 2020 4:12:25 GMT
Anyone feel she gets a bad rap throughout history? her lavish spending wasn't really even id say the biggest problem in France.
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Post by sadsaak on Jul 26, 2020 13:59:30 GMT
Anyone feel she gets a bad rap throughout history? her lavish spending wasn't really even id say the biggest problem in France.
Good question.
Her spending was largely on frocks and parties and palaces, which was internal and helped stimulate the French economy. Her problem was that she was trying to be an autocrat when her brand of autocracy was going out of fashion. She might have gotten away with it had she had the backing of a few hardcases, but all she had was poor old Louis who was just a decent clockmaker gone wrong.
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Post by Catman on Jul 26, 2020 14:03:17 GMT
When she was young, she met Mozart.
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Post by sadsaak on Jul 26, 2020 14:42:11 GMT
When she was young, she met Mozart.
Unfortunately she also met Louise XVI. If she had stayed with Mozart all would have been fine. Both of them would have piddled away the French treasury (not that there was anything in it) but Wolfgang could have been relied upon to put on a good show and swing the people round to their side.
But Louise XVI was a dour, albeit well meaning lump and that was it.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 26, 2020 18:03:05 GMT
I'm sure other Queens of France spent just as lavishly
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jul 26, 2020 18:08:04 GMT
Yes i think she has gotten a bad rap throughout history.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 27, 2020 6:38:43 GMT
Yes, I think she has been overly-maligned, but I also remember reading once that when she decided to make a run for Spain she ordered a lavish coach to be built. It was a like a palace on wheels, very slow, and she stopped frequently so the children could have picnics. Amazingly she made it almost to the Spanish border before being caught. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who does something as dumb as that.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jul 27, 2020 10:26:12 GMT
Yes, I think she has been overly-maligned, but I also remember reading once that when she decided to make a run for Spain she ordered a lavish coach to be built. It was a like a palace on wheels, very slow, and she stopped frequently so the children could have picnics. Amazingly she made it almost to the Spanish border before being caught. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who does something as dumb as that. I know she and her family tried to make run for the Austrian Netherlands (which today is Belgium) in 1791 but they got stopped in Varennes about 178 km from the border to Austrian Netherlands. You don`t happen to remember when she tried to make a run for Spain ?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 27, 2020 10:54:44 GMT
Yes, I think she has been overly-maligned, but I also remember reading once that when she decided to make a run for Spain she ordered a lavish coach to be built. It was a like a palace on wheels, very slow, and she stopped frequently so the children could have picnics. Amazingly she made it almost to the Spanish border before being caught. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who does something as dumb as that. I know she and her family tried to make run for the Austrian Netherlands (which today is Belgium) in 1791 but they got stopped in Varennes about 178 km from the border to Austrian Netherlands. You don`t happen to remember when she tried to make a run for Spain ? Okay, so maybe I got Belgium mixed up with Spain. I still think they should have disguised themselves as Gypsies and sneaked out as inconspicuously as possible.
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Post by hi224 on Jul 27, 2020 14:21:29 GMT
I know she and her family tried to make run for the Austrian Netherlands (which today is Belgium) in 1791 but they got stopped in Varennes about 178 km from the border to Austrian Netherlands. You don`t happen to remember when she tried to make a run for Spain ? Okay, so maybe I got Belgium mixed up with Spain. I still think they should have disguised themselves as Gypsies and sneaked out as inconspicuously as possible. But they did it for the children.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 8, 2020 12:40:55 GMT
Anyone feel she gets a bad rap throughout history? her lavish spending wasn't really even id say the biggest problem in France.
Good question.
Her spending was largely on frocks and parties and palaces, which was internal and helped stimulate the French economy. Her problem was that she was trying to be an autocrat when her brand of autocracy was going out of fashion. She might have gotten away with it had she had the backing of a few hardcases, but all she had was poor old Louis who was just a decent clockmaker gone wrong.
”... but all she had was poor old Louis who was just a decent clockmaker gone wrong. ” Sounds like a villain-of-the-week on Gotham.
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Post by The Lost One on Aug 11, 2020 6:21:52 GMT
She was symbolic of the excesses of the aristocracy at the time. The French revolution was an alliance between the emerging bourgeoisie, who were limited in political power due to their lack of noble birth, and the peasants and workers who were literally starving. Someone like Marie Antionette, who represented privilege and wealth, was the enemy of everything the revolution stood for.
Of course, one might argue she was no worse than any other aristocrat of the time, but that's kinda the point. She represented everything wrong with the system.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 19, 2020 18:07:01 GMT
There’s a time and place for everything.
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Post by hi224 on Aug 19, 2020 18:30:57 GMT
There’s a time and place for everything. huh?.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 19, 2020 19:11:59 GMT
There’s a time and place for everything. huh?. When people are starving it’s best to cut back on the cakes.
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Post by deembastille on Aug 20, 2020 11:17:33 GMT
When people are starving it’s best to cut back on the cakes. This line never made any sense... They came there to protest on the lack of flour for bread. What's the point of telling them to eat cake instead? Cake needs flour. What she meant (in this wildly famous yet probably never said quote) was let them eat the STUFF CAKED on the floor of the oven. The over-spill. In any event... How would you like it if the country held you responsible for no heir when your husband won't touch you and won't give a reason why.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 20, 2020 11:50:23 GMT
When people are starving it’s best to cut back on the cakes. This line never made any sense... They came there to protest on the lack of flour for bread. What's the point of telling them to eat cake instead? Cake needs flour. What she meant (in this wildly famous yet probably never said quote) was let them eat the STUFF CAKED on the floor of the oven. The over-spill. In any event... How would you like it if the country held you responsible for no heir when your husband won't touch you and won't give a reason why. Although that explains the quote it still comes across as not taking their situation seriously but I don’t think she deserved the death penalty. Mind you, we can also say the same thing about thousands of less well known people who have been put to death for relatively minor crimes.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 20, 2020 12:09:37 GMT
Marie Antoinette never actually said Let them eat cake The phrase was attributed to Marie Antoinette by Alphonse Karr in Les Guêpes of March 1843.[6] Objections to the legend of Marie Antoinette and the comment centre on arguments concerning the Queen's personality, internal evidence from members of the French royal family and the date of the saying's origin. To wit, the Queen's English-language biographer wrote in 2002:[7] [Let them eat brioche] was said 100 years before her by Marie-Thérèse, the wife of Louis XIV. It was a callous and ignorant statement and she, Marie Antoinette, was neither. — Antonia Fraser, 2002 Edinburgh Book Fair en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 20, 2020 13:22:44 GMT
Marie Antoinette never actually said Let them eat cake The phrase was attributed to Marie Antoinette by Alphonse Karr in Les Guêpes of March 1843.[6] Objections to the legend of Marie Antoinette and the comment centre on arguments concerning the Queen's personality, internal evidence from members of the French royal family and the date of the saying's origin. To wit, the Queen's English-language biographer wrote in 2002:[7] [Let them eat brioche] was said 100 years before her by Marie-Thérèse, the wife of Louis XIV. It was a callous and ignorant statement and she, Marie Antoinette, was neither. — Antonia Fraser, 2002 Edinburgh Book Fair en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cakeSo it’s an early example of fake news.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 20, 2020 16:47:15 GMT
Marie Antoinette never actually said Let them eat cake The phrase was attributed to Marie Antoinette by Alphonse Karr in Les Guêpes of March 1843.[6] Objections to the legend of Marie Antoinette and the comment centre on arguments concerning the Queen's personality, internal evidence from members of the French royal family and the date of the saying's origin. To wit, the Queen's English-language biographer wrote in 2002:[7] [Let them eat brioche] was said 100 years before her by Marie-Thérèse, the wife of Louis XIV. It was a callous and ignorant statement and she, Marie Antoinette, was neither. — Antonia Fraser, 2002 Edinburgh Book Fair en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cakeSo it’s an early example of fake news. Yes
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